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Wow, and I thought the deal I got from PJ People was good. You guys are good at this!
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If ordering this from B&H, get it 5% cheaper...and another 5% cashback if you use Discover card, bring net cost down to $1440.
-login to your Discover account and activate cashback promo for 5% back for online orders
-download B&H app onto your smartphone
-add pj to cart and go to checkout in app
-select Google Wallet to checkout and get additional 5% off instantly
That's a heck of a deal. So B&H gave you an additional 5% off on top of their $1599 price? I ordered one from Projector People for $1631 with free 2 day shipping, calibration disk and extended warranty and will be getting it on Wednesday and thought that was good. I had checked B&H last Wed. and noticed their discount of $300 of of $1999 just like everyone else but didn't bother to add it to their cart to see it discounted another $100.
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Finally Buckled In and Got One..

I went with Projector People. Same deal (3 year warranty +5% off discounted price) as mentioned in previous posts for Black Friday. I also bought a couple PS3 3d glasses with it for a total just over $1600. It should be waiting for me at home.. I'll post some pictures if anyone's interested.
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That's a heck of a deal. So B&H gave you an additional 5% off on top of their $1599 price? I ordered one from Projector People for $1631 with free 2 day shipping, calibration disk and extended warranty and will be getting it on Wednesday and thought that was good. I had checked B&H last Wed. and noticed their discount of $300 of of $1999 just like everyone else but didn't bother to add it to their cart to see it discounted another $100.
Technically, the additional 5% off is only through the bh app when you use Google Wallet at checkout to process credit card payment. BH also includes expedited shipping, so that's Thursday delivery if ordered today. BH did have it for 1699 earlier today, but then dropped it to 1599...probably price matching AGI. The 5% cash back from Discover is just icing on the cake. The calibration disk is cool, but you can get WOW for $20-something...personally, pro calibration on pj is worth it if you want optimal settings for your specific space.

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If ordering this from B&H, get it 5% cheaper...and another 5% cashback if you use Discover card, bring net cost down to $1440.
-login to your Discover account and activate cashback promo for 5% back for online orders
-download B&H app onto your smartphone
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-select Google Wallet to checkout and get additional 5% off instantly
Strong work, I don't have Discover, but I missed the Google Wallet. Oh well. Was too much of a rush to get it ordered before the sale ended on Monday. Used Amex Platinum to extend warranty for a fourth year. hehe.
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Ok, question about HDMI cabling:

What HDMI cable do people recommend for a >25' length (35 foot run from AVR to wall mounted)? I've had hit or miss results with some of the Amazon cables and monoprice cheapies (poor handshaking, no signals, etc).

It'll be hooking up between a Denon X4000 and the 8000U.

This is for a standard baseboard run (NOT for inside wall installation).

Thanks in advance!
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Ok, question about HDMI cabling:

What HDMI cable do people recommend for a >25' length (35 foot run from AVR to wall mounted)? I've had hit or miss results with some of the Amazon cables and monoprice cheapies (poor handshaking, no signals, etc).

It'll be hooking up between a Denon X4000 and the 8000U.

This is for a standard baseboard run (NOT for inside wall installation).

Thanks in advance!

http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_i...seq=1&format=2


Looks like this is still on sale. A STEAL with free shipping!


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I received my 8000 today. So far I am pretty impressed. I upgraded from an Epson 8500 and in some areas the upgrade is huge. Most notable is brightness. The lens memory is the ultimate upgrade for me, though. I'm about to order a 2.35:1 screen from Seymour to replace my 16x9 Elite screen. I was testing out the sizes with my current screen still in place and man did that make me excited. This is going to be awesome!

I have it in REC709 and eco mode. Still way more brightness than I am use to. Everything seems to line up and the focus seems good. I am going to throw some text and a computer image on it tomorrow to really test it out. Text currently does not look quite as sharp as on my Epson but everything else looks far better. Anyways I have a calibration disk coming in the mail tomorrow. I will play around with it a bit to see what more I can do with it.
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Looks like this is still on sale. A STEAL with free shipping!


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That is what I am using. 30'. I was a little nervous running it in the wall as it has been said they have a possible failure rate. I ran it in a conduit, but still don't feel like changing it if it fails. So far so good, knock on wood.
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Rec709 in Eco for 2d
Normal in normal for 3d
I have been using normal for 2D, I don't use 3D. I have flipped though the menu and like normal. REC709 is to dark for me.

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What HDMI cable do people recommend for a >25' length (35 foot run from AVR to wall mounted)? I've had hit or miss results with some of the Amazon cables and monoprice cheapies (poor handshaking, no signals, etc).

Blue Jeans Cables BJC-01. I have a 45' cable between my Denon AVR (various models over the years) and my Panasonic projector (various models over the years) and it has been flawless. I think it was about $100 when I bought it. Highly recommended.


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Math Question

Got my AE8000U last night and installed! Sold my AE3000U for $570 on ebay!

Math Question - Currently have a 92 inch 16x9 Carada screen. Thinking about moving to 2.35.1 screen in the future to take advantage of the lens memory feature. Let's say I get a 106 inch 110 inch 2.35.1 screen what will the 16x9 diagonal be when set to 16x9?

Monoprice has a fixed frame for only $330 that's tempting.


Unfortunately, I have a convergence issue with my unit, though I'm using a decent amount of vertical shift, so not sure if it's within normal expectation. Mostly it's the red that I can see. Have to send pics to Projector People to see if they would consider this DOA. Seems off by more than 1 pixel. What's the best way to see how much it's off and take a picture?
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Got my AE8000U last night and installed! Sold my AE3000U for $570 on ebay!

Math Question - Currently have a 92 inch 16x9 Carada screen. Thinking about moving to 2.35.1 screen in the future to take advantage of the lens memory feature. Let's say I get a 106 inch 110 inch 2.35.1 screen what will the 16x9 diagonal be when set to 16x9?

Monoprice has a fixed frame for only $330 that's tempting.


Unfortunately, I have a convergence issue with my unit, though I'm using a decent amount of vertical shift, so not sure if it's within normal expectation. Mostly it's the red that I can see. Have to send pics to Projector People to see if they would consider this DOA. Seems off by more than 1 pixel. What's the best way to see how much it's off and take a picture?
If you are looking for a budget screen, I think I have heard a few people say that Elite screens are pretty decent for the money. Don't quote me on that, but I am sure there is an Elite screen thread around here somewhere.


http://www.elitescreenshop.com/?gcli...300aAjpS8P8HAQ

I believe this is there entry level screen and most say on sale?

http://www.elitescreenshop.com/Sable...ries-s/135.htm



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If you are looking for a budget screen, I think I have heard a few people say that Elite screens are pretty decent for the money. Don't quote me on that, but I am sure there is an Elite screen thread around here somewhere.


http://www.elitescreenshop.com/?gcli...300aAjpS8P8HAQ

I believe this is there entry level screen and most say on sale?

http://www.elitescreenshop.com/Sable...ries-s/135.htm



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Thanks. I've been looking at those. I calculated I'd need 115 inch 2.35.1 diagonal screen size to maintain my 92 inch 16x9 size.
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I have been using normal for 2D, I don't use 3D. I have flipped though the menu and like normal. REC709 is to dark for me.

I got the peerless mount. You can find it on Amazon for around $90 bucks.
Try D Cenmia that is what I use for 3D
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Seems like a lot of new owners this week, thanks to cyber Monday...very cool [emoji57]

So I hooked up mine and throwing about a 100" image from 12' or so feet at a white wall right now...

I have a good ol'reliable Panny plasma sitting in the same room, so doing some comparisons...

Shouldn't a 1080p pj be sharper than a 720p plasma?

Things that stand out are lack of detail sharpness on the pj's image compared to the tv...such as feathers on a bird. Best way to describe is a mixture of contrast and sharpness. Something that I've seen a Darbee add on my plasma image (don't have the 103d anymore, so can't test on pj yet).

Granted it's a wall and the pj is uncalibrated, but I would think the resolution and sharpness would be equal or better than a 720p tv. When I get another 103d, I'm hoping that helps with contrast and detail.

Can any of you suggest what else I can try in the meantime? TIA

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How big is your plasma? As smaller screen is going to like sharper than a bigger one and if you are standing farther back the 720 vs 1080 doesn't mean a whole lot.

I just had my first gaming session on the Panny and everything just seems so much clearer to me than it did on my Epson. Like someone cleaned the screen. I still don't think the black levels are as good but the color detail sure is. I just noticed a lot more details that didn't jump out to me before. I spent around 4 hours playing Destiny with a friend and more than once I asked if they had made an update to the graphics. I really wish I would have held onto the 8500 long enough to do an AB comparison. Oh well. I am very happy with my new toy.
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How big is your plasma? As smaller screen is going to like sharper than a bigger one and if you are standing farther back the 720 vs 1080 doesn't mean a whole lot.

I just had my first gaming session on the Panny and everything just seems so much clearer to me than it did on my Epson. Like someone cleaned the screen. I still don't think the black levels are as good but the color detail sure is. I just noticed a lot more details that didn't jump out to me before. I spent around 4 hours playing Destiny with a friend and more than once I asked if they had made an update to the graphics. I really wish I would have held onto the 8500 long enough to do an AB comparison. Oh well. I am very happy with my new toy.
The tv is 50", but I'm not referring to being able to see pixels...I feel that with more resolutions, we should be able to see more detail. I agree about resolution and seating distances, but I'm noticing the loss of detail sitting 15' feet away on the pj image...or loss of sharpness, if it's that.

It's hard to put into words, so here's the identical frame on the tv and pj...image is being sent in dual mode from av...notice the details in the beak and the feathers in his cheek area...the pj is more smoothed out rather than being sharp...I've focused the pj using the lens pattern mode btw.

720p panny plasma:


1080p panny pj:


I haven't played with the contrast, but I think that may help...as that's what a darbee adds to help with the details...or my particular pj is just not hitting the right focus point...or, something else that someone on here may know.

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those results are odd...I definitly dont have that issue with my 8000...could be a possibe convergence issue..IM curious to hear what thers have to say

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Make sure your avr display output settings are set to through or no processing, or at least play around with those settings. Better yet, zoom the projector down and focus it in to the same diagonal size as your plasma. Use the same bluray player and connect the projector and plasma directly to the bluray player. No avr in tthe signal path just to make sure the comparison has no variables. The Panasonic has a solution to what's called a projector screen door effect that some people say softens the image a bit, but in my experience it is a better alternative than seeing black gridlines between pixels like you do with most projectors. That's a subjective opinion, but regardless I don't think it should be that dramatic. Try adjusting sharpness a bit too.

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Wow that is a pretty major difference.
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Make sure your avr display output settings are set to through or no processing, or at least play around with those settings. Better yet, zoom the projector down and focus it in to the same diagonal size as your plasma. Use the same bluray player and connect the projector and plasma directly to the bluray player. No avr in tthe signal path just to make sure the comparison has no variables. The Panasonic has a solution to what's called a projector screen door effect that some people say softens the image a bit, but in my experience it is a better alternative than seeing black gridlines between pixels like you do with most projectors. That's a subjective opinion, but regardless I don't think it should be that dramatic. Try adjusting sharpness a bit too.
The avr is set to none on processing. I have two outputs on avr, so the image comes in from bd player to avr and then outputs to dual displays. Unfortunately, I don't have an hdmi splitter to test direct from source to multiple displays. But I would think if the avr was doing any processing or none at all, it should be outputting the same signal regardless of the number of displays?

The screen door is minimum and I don't see pixels from more than 2-3 feet...so if it has some processing to minimize it with some kind 'pixel-shift', than that could be softening the image. Do you know what the processing feature is and if it can be turned off? This sounds

The pj is straight out of the box, so I haven't changed any settings yet. The tv is uncalibrated, but has some minor settings I changed years ago.

I'll also take pj down to 50" and see what happens.

Hopefully it's just a minor combination of settings like sharpness, brightness, and contrast.

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8000 at about 100" SD:


Plasma 50":


8000 at 50" SD:

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Perhaps the Plasma TV has some sort of processing engaged. Not sure what to tell you. I don't think the projected image looks bad by any means. It isn't as sharp. Maybe a Darbee is your next course?

Do you have any kind of calibration disk so you can verify convergence is okay? (it doesn't appear to have a problem, but they have test patterns for that kind of thing.)

Luke Kamp is a THX certified calibrator and it'd be interesting to hear his opinion. It may be that anti screen door tech panasonic uses. Some reviewers describe it as soft - which is pretty much what you are seeing. It can't be disabled I don't think. But then again, when you compare it to a projector without you can see gridlines up close - because the pixels are so much larger when they are blown up to wall size. Pick your poison.


We really need to do a projector shootout in KC sometime this spring to see how the JVC, Epson, Sony, Panasonic, whatever compare in person on the same screen in the same room.
@Luke Kamp - you have any thoughts on the matter?

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The tv is 50", but I'm not referring to being able to see pixels...I feel that with more resolutions, we should be able to see more detail. I agree about resolution and seating distances, but I'm noticing the loss of detail sitting 15' feet away on the pj image...or loss of sharpness, if it's that.

It's hard to put into words, so here's the identical frame on the tv and pj...image is being sent in dual mode from av...notice the details in the beak and the feathers in his cheek area...the pj is more smoothed out rather than being sharp...I've focused the pj using the lens pattern mode btw.
The PJ is projected onto the wall?

I'd asume its focus related. Have you completed a basic calibration on the 8000?

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Projector People, great service.

So, I contacted PP about my panel alignment issue and they consider it defective based on the pics I sent them. They are replacing it, hopefully the next one will be much better.

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My first thought was I need a Darbee, because maybe it's the just the nature of pj's. The plasma is a pretty basic model, but it's been very reliable and very good pq...no other processing that I know of.

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Do you have any kind of calibration disk so you can verify convergence is okay? (it doesn't appear to have a problem, but they have test patterns for that kind of thing.)
I do have a WOW disk, so will try that later. Need to verify there aren't any convergence issues.

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Luke Kamp is a THX certified calibrator and it'd be interesting to hear his opinion. It may be that anti screen door tech panasonic uses. Some reviewers describe it as soft - which is pretty much what you are seeing. It can't be disabled I don't think. But then again, when you compare it to a projector without you can see gridlines up close - because the pixels are so much larger when they are blown up to wall size. Pick your poison.
I Very cool, hopefully he can shed some light on this. I'll even try an old 480p pj I have and see what happens

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We really need to do a projector shootout in KC sometime this spring to see how the JVC, Epson, Sony, Panasonic, whatever compare in person on the same screen in the same room.
@Luke Kamp - you have any thoughts on the matter?
That would cool...esp if you could a 4k into the ring as well. Heck, maybe I'd come out just so I can also hear your new mackies.

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The PJ is projected onto the wall?

I'd asume its focus related. Have you completed a basic calibration on the 8000?
Yes, a white wall. No calibration yet. Just micro focusing the crosshair/pattern in the PJ, which I got as sharp as possible. Written font was clean as well.

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Well since you asked Archaea...

Doesn't look right to me, but its hard to tell from internet pictures and ensure proper setup. Its kind of like judging someones audio system over a youtube video. Looking at the three feathers behind the head with the background it looks like there is definitely an issue. I thought pausing it with frame interpolation on may cause this some and a photo would be better than pausing a movie as I have no idea how it is setup out of the box. Hard to tell much else as brightness, contrast, grayscale balance, gamma... are all different between the two displays. I don't like how Panasonic smooths between pixels, it makes diagnosing a problem like this difficult. If you are sitting close enough to see pixels, you are sitting too close for the screen size. I am not a fan of Darbee myself, but to each their own. It alone won't fix the issue you are having, which I would guess is a panel alignment issue if not a setup or roller painted wall screen issue. I would send it back and get another one new in box, I am leery of some of these swap meet refurb programs.

Since you brought it up Archaea, a projector comparison meet would need all projectors to be calibrated to the industry standard. Otherwise you might as well compare a Panasonic in cinema mode to another Panasonic in dynamic mode and see which one you prefer.
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Cool

I bought a Panasonic pt-at6000e this week and I'm totally blown away by the amazing picture quality!! Up until now I was watching my Blu-Ray Movies on a 52 inch Sharp LCD TV, the Panasonic gives me a 125 inch 16x9 picture: Mind Blown!
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Well since you asked Archaea...

Doesn't look right to me, but its hard to tell from internet pictures and ensure proper setup. Its kind of like judging someones audio system over a youtube video. Looking at the three feathers behind the head with the background it looks like there is definitely an issue. I thought pausing it with frame interpolation on may cause this some and a photo would be better than pausing a movie as I have no idea how it is setup out of the box. Hard to tell much else as brightness, contrast, grayscale balance, gamma... are all different between the two displays. I don't like how Panasonic smooths between pixels, it makes diagnosing a problem like this difficult. If you are sitting close enough to see pixels, you are sitting too close for the screen size. I am not a fan of Darbee myself, but to each their own. It alone won't fix the issue you are having, which I would guess is a panel alignment issue if not a setup or roller painted wall screen issue. I would send it back and get another one new in box, I am leery of some of these swap meet refurb programs.

Since you brought it up Archaea, a projector comparison meet would need all projectors to be calibrated to the industry standard. Otherwise you might as well compare a Panasonic in cinema mode to another Panasonic in dynamic mode and see which one you prefer.
Sooooooo -- we run them through a 'basic' decent effort calibration effort using something like a WOW disk - not a professional calibration - but not 3-4 hours per projector either.
Or we give the projectors to you - to calibrate in your theater, a week in advance and you host the meet at your place with all projectors calibrated beautifully.

There are interesting differences aside from perfect videophile calibration - bells and whistles like motion engines, frame creation etc, 3D quality, fan noise, gaming lag,
Each projector has character:
JVC - great black levels, more calibration options
Panasonic - auto zoom/focus, low lag gaming (how noticable is this?), antiscreendoor tech/softening of image...
Epson - dust blobs


I'm curious how much difference there really is between similar generation projectors - because while they may look different in different rooms - how much of that is the room/setup over the image? No way you could tell unless you side by side.

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