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Light from the display (in this case, projector light reflected off the screen) creates low ambient light in any theater.

I guess if one were to watch movies with the display off, yes, it would stay pitch black.
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Light from the display (in this case, projector light reflected off the screen) creates low ambient light in any theater.

I guess if one were to watch movies with the display off, yes, it would stay pitch black.
Ahhh I see what your saying. I don't expereince any of what your talking about (reflection in the 3d glasses from back wall light from display) so I was confused
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Well I set my PT-AE8000U up in a bigger room where I could place the projector about 13' away from a wall. The blooming issue is still very visible. This does not seem to be a common problem so I don't know how I could have possibly ended up with this problem on two different units. I have already ordered the Sony HW55ES but I have this unit that is still under warranty and I'm not sure what I want to do. The idea of calling Panasonic again makes me sick to even think about. I'm almost to the point of wanting to void the warranty to open the thing up to just try cleaning everything I can. I don't think it's the panels because all of the colors are blooming. This is definitely the most frustrating experience I've had as a projector owner.
My projector is about 14.5 feet away and it's projecting onto a 105" screen so I don't that is the issue either. I am working with Projector People on getting a replacement so I guess I will see if it exhibits the same behavior.
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9. Oddly, I'm occasionally seeing some tiny motion judder, like there's a 120Hz motion processor trying to smooth out motion. I didn't think the 8000 was 120Hz.


Hopefully everything stays in the positive direction as I get it dialed in and get usage time. But happy so far.
Thanks for your impression! I just wanted to point out that it comes out of the box with Frame Creation on. I was seeing that weird judder too until I turned it off. Maybe you already did that but since you didn't mention it, I thought I would.
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Thanks for your impression! I just wanted to point out that it comes out of the box with Frame Creation on. I was seeing that weird judder too until I turned it off. Maybe you already did that but since you didn't mention it, I thought I would.
Thanks, buddy. I haven't gotten deep enough into the full setup yet to discover that setting, so I hadn't touched it yet. (still don't know yet what "Frame Creation" is) Just turned it off. Motion looks different now. A little funny. I'm going to have to delve in more to tweak that setting.

Day two with the PJ, another complaint I have is the projected picture SHAPE. I took extra effort to adjust my ceiling mount so that the projector LENS hangs in the centerline of the room, not the overall case. (My two previous Panny PT projectors had centerline lenses, this 8000 shifts it to the side again) Leveled it as good as I can. But needed 2 clicks of keystone. Now, the top, bottom, and left edges of the image look plumb, but the top right corner seems to stick further to the right than the bottom right corner. And, perhaps even stranger, the supposed 16:9 native image doesn't perfectly fit my 108" 16:9 Stewart Greyhawk screen. (which I've owned for 8 years) The image is just a bit too narrow, so that if I zoom it out so the image fits the whole screen horizontally, it's maybe a total of 1" too tall vertically. Arrrrrrghh.....

Overall, I'm still liking the projector tho.
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Thanks, buddy. I haven't gotten deep enough into the full setup yet to discover that setting, so I hadn't touched it yet. (still don't know yet what "Frame Creation" is) Just turned it off. Motion looks different now. A little funny. I'm going to have to delve in more to tweak that setting.

Day two with the PJ, another complaint I have is the projected picture SHAPE. I took extra effort to adjust my ceiling mount so that the projector LENS hangs in the centerline of the room, not the overall case. (My two previous Panny PT projectors had centerline lenses, this 8000 shifts it to the side again) Leveled it as good as I can. But needed 2 clicks of keystone. Now, the top, bottom, and left edges of the image look plumb, but the top right corner seems to stick further to the right than the bottom right corner. And, perhaps even stranger, the supposed 16:9 native image doesn't perfectly fit my 108" 16:9 Stewart Greyhawk screen. (which I've owned for 8 years) The image is just a bit too narrow, so that if I zoom it out so the image fits the whole screen horizontally, it's maybe a total of 1" too tall vertically. Arrrrrrghh.....

Overall, I'm still liking the projector tho.
if level front to back you should never need keystone. Did you adjust the initial setting with the stupid joy stick under the cover by the IR?
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if level front to back you should never need keystone. Did you adjust the initial setting with the stupid joy stick under the cover by the IR?
Yeah, that's my primary method of moving the image. Ceiling mount places the projector about the height of the top of the screen.
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another question...is the screen level?on both axis?

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another question...is the screen level?on both axis?
It seems to be. Haven't had any issues for the last 8 years.
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On another note, I hooked up my Darbee video processor to the Panny last night. Great extra performance. For anyone that doesn't already have one, it's a no-brainer for $100-200.
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On another note, I hooked up my Darbee video processor to the Panny last night. Great extra performance. For anyone that doesn't already have one, it's a no-brainer for $100-200.
I've got "double darby" going on in my theater. My oppo 103D has it and I have a stand alone unit after my Marantz 7009. I loves me darbees! They are a great compliment to any projector setup..
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Wait.........no pics? C'mon man!

LOL...........just pulling your leg. But, if you have a chance.......yeah, share some pics with the folks here for reference on how your unit is performing.
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I've got "double darby" going on in my theater. My oppo 103D has it and I have a stand alone unit after my Marantz 7009. I loves me darbees! They are a great compliment to any projector setup..
I was wondering if anybody was doing that, with two Darbee products in a row, particularly starting with an Oppo. Darbee says you can do that and it would be cumulative. I presume, though, that doing 50% on one, and 50% on the other, would be the same as just 100% on one. I currently have mine set on 55% HD mode and don't switch it for different sources/material, but haven't completely dialed it in yet.
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I was wondering if anybody was doing that, with two Darbee products in a row, particularly starting with an Oppo. Darbee says you can do that and it would be cumulative. I presume, though, that doing 50% on one, and 50% on the other, would be the same as just 100% on one. I currently have mine set on 55% HD mode and don't switch it for different sources/material, but haven't completely dialed it in yet.
If you think one Darby at 50% and another at 50% would equal 100% on a single darblet you would be dead WRONG! (like I was )
One Darby at 100% does some wayyyy funky things to my image but not with 50% and 50% on two Darbee units. I believe there is someone here on AVS running four or five of them for 3D. I know of multiple people that run duals that will also tell you that the sum of two darblets does not equal the same percentage on one darblet.
I eagerly await the people that want to yell at me for altering the "director's image"...and telling me how I am killing small seals with a club (thanks chu) because I am altering the "intent" of the director's film.....
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I believe there is someone here on AVS running four or five of them for 3D.
Okay, now THAT's funny. Only home theater nerds like us would do something like that.

I'm glad you posted this. If I were to get an Oppo, I was thinking because I already have a Darbee I wouldn't need the Oppo Darbee edition. But it sounds like it would be even better!
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Okay, now THAT's funny. Only home theater nerds like us would do something like that.

I'm glad you posted this. If I were to get an Oppo, I was thinking because I already have a Darbee I wouldn't need the Oppo Darbee edition. But it sounds like it would be even better!
For me it is. I also run my subs a bit hot, wife hates that. It's all personal preference...Give it a try, I think you will enjoy it..
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If you think one Darby at 50% and another at 50% would equal 100% on a single darblet you would be dead WRONG! (like I was )
One Darby at 100% does some wayyyy funky things to my image but not with 50% and 50% on two Darbee units. I believe there is someone here on AVS running four or five of them for 3D. I know of multiple people that run duals that will also tell you that the sum of two darblets does not equal the same percentage on one darblet.
I eagerly await the people that want to yell at me for altering the "director's image"...and telling me how I am killing small seals with a club (thanks chu) because I am altering the "intent" of the director's film.....
What's the benefit/reason to run multiple darbees?

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OK, I'm slightly confused. I already have my projector but have not yet mounted it pending completion of the room. I plan to ceiling mount with a 16.5' thrown range onto a 140" diagonal 2.35 screen. I will use lens memory with zoom to transition from 16x9 to 2.35. I had planned to mount slightly above the top of the screen to provide headroom.

I originally read the manual and thought I would be good to go. Page 23 of the manual gives guidance for projection of 16x9 onto a 2.25 screen:
Projection screen size 16:9 in 2.35:1 size*2
Screen Diagonal (SD) Minimum distance(LW)Maximum distance(LT)Height position(H)
1.27 m (50") 1.16 m (3' 10") 2.37 m (7' 9") -0.25 to 0.75 m
1.52 m (60") 1.40 m (4' 7") 2.85 m (9' 4") -0.30 to 0.90 m
1.78 m (70") 1.64 m (5' 5") 3.33 m (10' 11") -0.35 to 1.05 m
2.03 m (80") 1.88 m (6' 2") 3.82 m (12' 6") -0.40 to 1.20 m
2.29 m (90") 2.13 m (7' 0") 4.30 m (14' 1") -0.45 to 1.35 m
2.54 m (100") 2.37 m (7' 9") 4.78 m (15' 8") -0.50 to 1.49 m
3.05 m (120") 2.85 m (9' 4") 5.74 m (18' 10") -0.60 to 1.79 m
3.81 m (150") 3.57 m (11' 9") 7.19 m (23' 7") -0.75 to 2.24 m
5.08 m (200") 4.78 m (15' 8") 9.60 m (31' 6") -0.99 to 2.98 m
6.35 m (250")*1 5.98 m (19' 7") 12.02 m (39' 5") -1.24 to 3.73 m
7.62 m (300")*1 7.19 m (23' 7") 14.43 m (47' 4") -1.49 to 4.47 m

With a 140" diagonal, I fall between 120" and 150".. So if I assume worst case with a 120", it allows for a height position from lens center to bottom of screen of -.6m (23.6") - 1.79m (70.5"). My screen height is 55", so this means I should be able to mount projector up to (70.5"-55")=15.5 " above the top of the screen. I only plan 6" above top of screen which falls in the range.

Reading this thread however, I hear people saying that using lens memory for 16x9 on 2.35 screen means you need to be at or below top of screen which conflicts with page 23 of the manual. Which is right? I'd hate to have to drop the projector...I'll start hitting heads.

TIA for relies.
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If you think one Darby at 50% and another at 50% would equal 100% on a single darblet you would be dead WRONG! (like I was )
One Darby at 100% does some wayyyy funky things to my image but not with 50% and 50% on two Darbee units. I believe there is someone here on AVS running four or five of them for 3D. I know of multiple people that run duals that will also tell you that the sum of two darblets does not equal the same percentage on one darblet.
I eagerly await the people that want to yell at me for altering the "director's image"...and telling me how I am killing small seals with a club (thanks chu) because I am altering the "intent" of the director's film.....
To be honest i could careless about those people claiming that it kill " director's image " the only thing that matter is your eyes & these two combo have been very pleasing to my eyes that it's enough to hold me until 4K projector prices come down.

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To be honest i could careless about those people claiming that it kill " director's image " the only thing that matter is your eyes & these two combo have been very pleasing to my eyes that it's enough to hold me until 4K projector prices come down.
You are preaching to the choir my friend! The bottom line for all the money we spend on this is so that WE enjoy it!
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OK, I'm slightly confused. I already have my projector but have not yet mounted it pending completion of the room. I plan to ceiling mount with a 16.5' thrown range onto a 140" diagonal 2.35 screen. I will use lens memory with zoom to transition from 16x9 to 2.35. I had planned to mount slightly above the top of the screen to provide headroom.

I originally read the manual and thought I would be good to go. Page 23 of the manual gives guidance for projection of 16x9 onto a 2.25 screen:
Projection screen size 16:9 in 2.35:1 size*2
Screen Diagonal (SD) Minimum distance(LW)Maximum distance(LT)Height position(H)
1.27 m (50") 1.16 m (3' 10") 2.37 m (7' 9") -0.25 to 0.75 m
1.52 m (60") 1.40 m (4' 7") 2.85 m (9' 4") -0.30 to 0.90 m
1.78 m (70") 1.64 m (5' 5") 3.33 m (10' 11") -0.35 to 1.05 m
2.03 m (80") 1.88 m (6' 2") 3.82 m (12' 6") -0.40 to 1.20 m
2.29 m (90") 2.13 m (7' 0") 4.30 m (14' 1") -0.45 to 1.35 m
2.54 m (100") 2.37 m (7' 9") 4.78 m (15' 8") -0.50 to 1.49 m
3.05 m (120") 2.85 m (9' 4") 5.74 m (18' 10") -0.60 to 1.79 m
3.81 m (150") 3.57 m (11' 9") 7.19 m (23' 7") -0.75 to 2.24 m
5.08 m (200") 4.78 m (15' 8") 9.60 m (31' 6") -0.99 to 2.98 m
6.35 m (250")*1 5.98 m (19' 7") 12.02 m (39' 5") -1.24 to 3.73 m
7.62 m (300")*1 7.19 m (23' 7") 14.43 m (47' 4") -1.49 to 4.47 m

With a 140" diagonal, I fall between 120" and 150".. So if I assume worst case with a 120", it allows for a height position from lens center to bottom of screen of -.6m (23.6") - 1.79m (70.5"). My screen height is 55", so this means I should be able to mount projector up to (70.5"-55")=15.5 " above the top of the screen. I only plan 6" above top of screen which falls in the range.

Reading this thread however, I hear people saying that using lens memory for 16x9 on 2.35 screen means you need to be at or below top of screen which conflicts with page 23 of the manual. Which is right? I'd hate to have to drop the projector...I'll start hitting heads.

TIA for relies.

The people here are correct, and it's not contrary to what you're reading in the manual. That part of the manual has nothing to do with using the lens memory for a CIH setup, it's only talking about projecting one ratio image onto a different ratio screen (and leaving it that way). The heights given in the table are referring to what the lens shift will accommodate. Because of the way zooming works in conjunction with lens shift, if you want to switch between multiple aspect ratios and have each one fit the screen correctly (without having to adjust the lens shift each time) when using zooming and lens memory, the center of the lens not only has to be at or below the top of the screen, it also has to be centered horizontally.


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Is anyone else out there having a problem with white blooming and bleeding on the Panasonic PT-AE8000U? It is happening across the board with all media including the test pattern (see attached). The projector is brand new and otherwise there is no problem. But this is really noticeable. There was some very minor dust during installation so I tried wiping the lens to no avail.
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Is anyone else out there having a problem with white blooming and bleeding on the Panasonic PT-AE8000U? It is happening across the board with all media including the test pattern (see attached). The projector is brand new and otherwise there is no problem. But this is really noticeable. There was some very minor dust during installation so I tried wiping the lens to no avail.

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Is anyone else out there having a problem with white blooming and bleeding on the Panasonic PT-AE8000U? It is happening across the board with all media including the test pattern (see attached). The projector is brand new and otherwise there is no problem. But this is really noticeable. There was some very minor dust during installation so I tried wiping the lens to no avail.
Have you calibrated yet, using something like the Spears and Munsil calibration disc? I posted a few days ago, that mine came out of the box with the brightness MUCH too high. Calibration took care of white blooming.
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Probably less than 15 as it's brand new.
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I have not calibrated yet - thanks for the Spears and Munsil calibration disc recommendation. I will do that immediately.
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