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post #4771 of 5221 Old 11-23-2015, 01:20 PM
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I see that the $1499 price is back on projector people.com right now.

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subtitles

When using the zoom on the PT-AE8000U do the subtitles show when watching in 2:35:1 or do they get absorbed in the black framing of the screen?

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When using the zoom on the PT-AE8000U do the subtitles show when watching in 2:35:1 or do they get absorbed in the black framing of the screen?

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As I recall...if the movie puts the sub titles in the picture area, you can see them. If the movie has them in the black bars, you can't see them. I think you can adjust sub title location with some players though.

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If I an using an HTP with MKV movies I guess if the subtitles are in the black are I wont see them. Does the AE800U have anaormpic mode in order to use an anamorphic lens?

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If I an using an HTP with MKV movies I guess if the subtitles are in the black are I wont see them. Does the AE8000U have anamorphic mode in order to use an anamorphic lens?

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Yes, it does have an aspect ratio area (in the position settings). I use 16x9 for my desktop, and 16x9H for my movies that are 2.35. I wish there was a way to have it automatically change the setting though. At least it only takes a few seconds. I am thinking of integrating a button for the change when I get my HT tablet software (not sure which i will use at this point though as it is a low priority matter currently). I am now using the UH-480 anamorphic lens, and the picture is much crisper now than with the zoom.

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Projector People has this for $1499 currently. How happy are you with this projector? How good is the 2D and 3D image compared to the epson image?

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Dude, pull the trigger already. If you don't like it, return it for 100% refund.

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Pulled the trigger. Last panny was an ae4000 and was extremely happy with it. No theater currently (or house)...but my next theater will be theater 3.0

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Pulled the trigger. Last panny was an ae4000 and was extremely happy with it. No theater currently (or house)...but my next theater will be theater 3.0

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$1500 bucks -- yes...this projector is EASILY worth that. At $2.2K ish --- my eyes start to wonder towards Sony or JVC.

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After 10 years my AE900u lamp gave out.. Still working.. but i get replace lamp warning. wonder if i should buy a lamp or go for AE8000u which is on sale for $1438 now. Is it worth the upgrade?
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After 10 years my AE900u lamp gave out.. Still working.. but i get replace lamp warning. wonder if i should buy a lamp or go for AE8000u which is on sale for $1438 now. Is it worth the upgrade?
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I am new here. I pulled the trigger and purchased the Panny 8000 today. I have so much to learn and so much to get ready. I have to run the a/v cables, mount the pj, map out the screen size, smooth the skim coat for the screen, paint the screen, paint the entire room, add room treatments.

My head is spinning, but it will be worth it when I get it all setup.
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I am new here. I pulled the trigger and purchased the Panny 8000 today. I have so much to learn and so much to get ready. I have to run the a/v cables, mount the pj, map out the screen size, smooth the skim coat for the screen, paint the screen, paint the entire room, add room treatments.

My head is spinning, but it will be worth it when I get it all setup.
When i bought AE900u 10 years back i projected it on a blank wall keeping the projector on a small shelf. Till now same set up. Still putting out amazing picture inspite of the fact i got "replace lamp" warning. Not once i faced any issue. I also thought about all those things. I didn't do it.
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Finally I found some time for testing. I'm grateful for your support and sorry for not responding earlier!
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Your Samsung TV has "V-position" and "H-position" controls to nudge the picture?
I used the same procedure here as for testing the projector: Setting MS Paint to 100% zoom, selecting the whole image (Ctrl+A) and using the arrow keys to move it. Each arrow key press moves the selected image by exactly 1 pixel.

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The Onkyo probably does do some minimal processing of the image [...] I would try turning on Pure Direct, and Impose OSD to OFF, plus even better is sending the computer signal straight to the Panasonic without the AVR in the loop, just as a temporary diagnostic test.
Well, I tested switching these AVR features off and it didn't change anything about the issue.

HOWEVER, when I connected the projector directly to the PCs HDMI out, every 2nd column of pixels was not completely grayscale anymore (as when connected through the AVR), but "only" visibly less saturated than it should be (i.e. green looks more like pale yellow). So the problem is basically still there, but not as strong!

Btw. I used two different HDMI cables to test the direct connection to the PC. Both yielded the same result.

I hope you have a smart (potential) explanation for this, as I really don't have any

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Well how important is it to you to use the "nudge the image U/D/L/R by a few pixels" control? I never use mine at all. Also if I understand correctly this odd anomaly is completely invisible to you using standard movie/TV material and only is discernable with specific test patterns. Did I get that right? Since I have no need to nudge the image I'm probably not the one to address this but from my perspective I wouldn't find it worth dismantling my theater, repackaging the pj, sending it off, waiting weeks if not months, with a strong possibility they'd simply say "We see nothing wrong with any movie nor TV material we put through it and if you need better quality for PC use you need to buy a data grade projector, not this one which is optimized for home theater use [dead quiet fan, contrast prioritized over maximum brightness, etc.]. That's my 2 cents.
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Deals

I see a couple of deals out there on this Panny and I'm wondering how good they are. Do prices this low on this projector come around often? I'd ideally like to wait until my room is a little further along to buy a projector, but don't want to miss out on a deal.

$1499 at Projector People
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and also $1499 at B&H
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...Y&Q=&A=details
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Well how important is it to you to use the "nudge the image U/D/L/R by a few pixels" control? I never use mine at all. Also if I understand correctly this odd anomaly is completely invisible to you using standard movie/TV material and only is discernable with specific test patterns. Did I get that right? [...]
Uhm, no, I'm afraid you've misunderstood!

It's not about using some "nudge control" on the output devices. I don't use anything like this. I only nudged the JPG convergence test images within the graphics software window on the PC for testing.

That means, the problem is always existent and should (theoretically) cause a reduction of the effective resolution by up to 50%.
I suspect this is not distinctly visible in "real life" because the colored columns shine over to the adjacent (grayscaled) columns due to panel misalignment, "tinting" them.

Actually, I would say the image is not very much more sharp and detailed (or rather: less blurry) than with my old Panasonic PT-AX200 (720p) projector, although we look at a 120" screen @ ~40° horizontal viewing angle. The visual improvement might very well only be due to the 8000's better contrast, brightness, and digital detail clarity processing, but not due to better (effective) resolution.

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Uhm, no, I'm afraid you've misunderstood!

It's not about using some "nudge control" on the output devices. I don't use anything like this. I only nudged the JPG convergence test images within the graphics software window on the PC for testing.
Oh I thought you were moving/shifting the image U/D/L/R using the controls that do this which are built into the Panasonic. You are nudging the image using some external device, I guess.
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With the proper material it should be quite easy to see the added resolution offered by a 1:1 pixel mapped 1080 source [no scaling allowed, such as your on-screen display graphics generator inside your receiver; you have to bypass it entirely] displayed on a 1080 monitor, over what it looks like on a 720p monitor. It is not, however, a night and day difference on average TV and movie material.


Examine this resolution chart, but from a better source than YouTube, which appears 6 minutes into the video], fullscreen, not a window, as an example :
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Sorry, upon further analysis I see whoever uploaded this seems to have given YouTube a lower res version than they should have, or YouTube themselves may have down rez'd the image even though they may not make that clear and imply it is 1080. Right click the image in Windows playback, when playing full screen, and you'll see the option "stats for nerds". Here you can see that the original source was 720x1280 and has only been converted to 1080.

You can record this image off the air if you get certain cable/sat channels which broadcast it from time to time. I try to keep a minute of it on my DVR at all times, for test purposes, however I lost it recently when I swapped cable boxes.

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After 10 years my AE900u lamp gave out.. Still working.. but i get replace lamp warning. wonder if i should buy a lamp or go for AE8000u which is on sale for $1438 now. Is it worth the upgrade?
Ha....just saw this. I posted a thread yesterday thinking about retiring my AE900U. I just ordered this one from projectorpeople.com a few minutes ago. At $1,439 shipped it was hard to pass up. I have an 18' throw for a 112" screen due to the oddities of the structure where I have my theater, so I had narrowed it down to the AE8000 or an Epson 5030. I decided to go with the Panny when I saw the sale.

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I have been reading through many threads and have received some help from others on this site. The projector is really what is throwing me here. At the beginning of this thread people were reporting some small problems (I can really only remember someone saying something about pixel alignment (sorry for the poor explanation)), but there is an overwhelming amount of positive reviews for this projector. I was first recommended an Optoma HD25-LV, but I have now decided to pitch for a better projector now that I have a screen that can handle 16:9 to 2.35:1. I am going to stay between $1400 to $2000. I have no idea why I am asking this since this an owners thread, but is this projector still rock solid?
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Of course a certain percentage of any electronics there are always a few duds, but with this PTAE8000 unit there was a batch, many months ago, which had an obvious blooming problem. White text, as just one easy to spot example, had a glow around the borders of the letter against a black background. Panasonic customer service didn't handle this well for some consumers and there were some complaints, but eventually reports of that problem seemed to stop so it would seem safe to buy them now, while you still can. [This is said by some reports to be the last home theater based pj they will make for the foreseeable future.]


Mine is great and has never had an issue.

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Thank you, zillch. I am sold on this projector. When there is a short run of bad experiences it just makes you a little more cautious. However, the talk on this projector can't be ignored. I am hoping this performs well in medium ambient light.
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Plan on needing some sort of light blocking curtains. This is true with nearly all good projectors.

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As a new owner who has not yet received the pj or have the room designed for it yet, I have a simplistic question. Can this pj be set on a shelf instead of ceiling mounted?

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Yes, if there is sufficient space around the projector for proper airflow. See the manual for requirements.

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Yes, if there is sufficient space around the projector for proper airflow.
The airflow is excellent and the shelf would be under the air vent. I know a couple of inches normally would not make a difference, but the delta between 12' away and say 13' away is a huge difference. I am limited by a 13.5' room. The ceiling joist is 16" off the wall. Bringing it back to a shelf adds a couple more drops in the zoom to get a larger screen that will allow a good CIH for 2.35 movies.

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I just checked the manual. It needs a minimum of 4 inches to the sides and back and many feet in front, since that's the exhaust (and projection path so that need should be easily met). Air intake is from the stern and port side.

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Ha....just saw this. I posted a thread yesterday thinking about retiring my AE900U. I just ordered this one from projectorpeople.com a few minutes ago. At $1,439 shipped it was hard to pass up. I have an 18' throw for a 112" screen due to the oddities of the structure where I have my theater, so I had narrowed it down to the AE8000 or an Epson 5030. I decided to go with the Panny when I saw the sale.

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Yup i pulled the trigger too. Never in our life we would see such a deal again for this one. It will disappear after some time.
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