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post #31 of 3508 Old 10-09-2012, 04:51 PM
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GHOSTING PEOPLE.....

DOES IT HAVE IT OR NOT.....

EVERYONE KEEPS ASKING ABOUT THIS BUT NO ONE REPLIES.
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There's many new owners thrilled with seeing 3D for the first time in their HT. They are likely enjoying their projectors and not ghost hunting, although it is the right time of the year to do so.

I didn't have any offers on the 3D ISO that has the 3D test patterns. Hopefully Kraine will get an 8000 and run it through it's paces in 3D.
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I've had the 8000 set up since last Tuesday, only really got to do some viewing on Friday. Previous projectors have been Panasonic and Sony. The 8000 is an upgrade from my Panasonic 4000. I've not done any calibration beyond the very most basic brightness/contrast. Some observations:

  • Detail is much better. I believe this may be in part to better convergence and better focus. I could never get the corners and center all in focus with the 4000.
  • Much brighter (admittedly, the 4000 has about 1000 hours on the lamp so side by side comparison isn't possible).
  • Much better blacks than the 4000.
  • Much better color... almost too saturated.
  • Color uniformity is still an issue. Hanging from the ceiling, the top of the picture is noticeably blue while the bottom is red. Now this is very slight but it is there. The 4000 had a much worse issue with red in the lower right corner.

Ghosting... this is my first 3D projector so I cannot compare it to anything but theatrical screenings. I have huge issues with ghosting with any presentation using a linear polarized system (most Imax, etc). I am seeing a fair amount of ghosting on the 8000. I am constantly trying to dial it out with the 3D mode option but it seems to only correct the very shot that I'm viewing. Perhaps it is due to setting screen size incorrectly on the projector (which doesn't allow me to set exact size of 106") and the blu-ray player (Sony S790)? I've even tried using dynamic mode in hopes of heating up (and therefore, speeding up) the LCD chips (something suggested elsewhere). Perhaps I'm just very sensitive to ghosting? I'm using the 3rd generation Panasonic glasses. I do wear prescription glasses myself.

The 3D discs I've viewed are The Avengers, Hugo, TinTin, Creature from Black Lagoon, Tron:Legacy and Transformers 3. Oddly enough, some of the shorts on the Sony 3Net app on the blu-ray player showed much less ghosting than the discs.

Any advise on eliminating these ghosts would be greatly appreciated. I'm thrilled with the 2D performance, less so with 3D.
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I just sent out the offer for 2 Free pairs of 3D glasses from Panny...just a note to myself to see how long it takes to fulfill. 10-9-12

I just sent mine this morning too. We'll see how long it takes. 10-9-12
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The european version AT6000e does not have a offer for 3D glasses... mad.gif
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The european version AT6000e does not have a offer for 3D glasses... mad.gif

That stinks I wonder why?
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That stinks I wonder why?

I don't know. But I just asked the Product Manager of Panasonic Switzerland and now waiting for an answer.
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I'm confused about the throw ratio. http://panasonic.net/avc/projector/products/ae8000/positions.html shows the ability to display a much wider 2.35:1 image at the same throw distance as a standard 16:9 image. I'll have a
throw of 13 ft but I can't seem to determine the maximum size 2.35:1 screen (will use the lens memory function to display 16:9 on the 2.35:1 screen).

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Chart shows it can throw a 150" diagonal 2.35:1 image from 11'9" on a 2.35:1 screen if using the lens memory function for a 2.35:1 screen
Chart shows only 120" image if projecting a 16:9 from 11'9" onto a 16:9 screen


If this is correct, I have a boxed up 148" 2.35:1 Dalite HP (orignal higher gain version 58" x 1361⁄2" ) screen. Max throw for me is slightly over 13'. One row of seats at 13' viewing distance.
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I'm confused about the throw ratio. http://panasonic.net/avc/projector/products/ae8000/positions.html shows the ability to display a much wider 2.35:1 image at the same throw distance as a standard 16:9 image. I'll have a
throw of 13 ft but I can't seem to determine the maximum size 2.35:1 screen (will use the lens memory function to display 16:9 on the 2.35:1 screen).
Ex:
Chart shows it can throw a 150" diagonal 2.35:1 image from 11'9" on a 2.35:1 screen if using the lens memory function for a 2.35:1 screen
Chart shows only 120" image if projecting a 16:9 from 11'9" onto a 16:9 screen
If this is correct, I have a boxed up 148" 2.35:1 Dalite HP (orignal higher gain version 58" x 1361⁄2" ) screen. Max throw for me is slightly over 13'. One row of seats at 13' viewing distance.

From 13 feet - 113" (2.35:1) screen.

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From 13 feet - 113" (2.35:1) screen.
http://www.projectorcentral.com/Panasonic-PT-AE8000-projection-calculator-pro.htm

At maximum zoom, it looks more like 125" to me.
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After the first week of its release, the PT AE-7000 owner's thread had about 375 posts. The PT AE-8000 owner's thread, after the same amount of time, stands at about 40.

I'm guessing this thing is not flying off the shelves.
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After the first week of its release, the PT AE-7000 owner's thread had about 375 posts. The PT AE-8000 owner's thread, after the same amount of time, stands at about 40.
I'm guessing this thing is not flying off the shelves.

I think the 4000 to the 7000 was a much bigger jump since it was the first 3D version. So if you already did the 4000 to 7000 jump, which alot did, no reason to go the the 8000 right now. Alot are problably playing the wait and see how much better the 8000 really is then the 7000 before they think about it.
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I think the 4000 to the 7000 was a much bigger jump since it was the first 3D version. So if you already did the 4000 to 7000 jump, which alot did, no reason to go the the 8000 right now. Alot are problably playing the wait and see how much better the 8000 really is then the 7000 before they think about it.

That's exactly why I'm here! wink.gif
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That's probably right. On my end, I'm upgrading from an AE2000 and I'm excited beyond belief. Should be taking delivery of the 8000 at the end of the month!
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That's probably right. On my end, I'm upgrading from an AE2000 and I'm excited beyond belief. Should be taking delivery of the 8000 at the end of the month!

That was the exact upgrade I made. The AE2000 was a great machine, and I ran it through three lamps (over 12000 hours), but it was time to upgrade. My biggest surprise is the quality of the 3D This is my first experience with home 3D, and I'm amazed at how deep and crisp it looks. I know there are a lot of folks that don't appreciate it, but I'm guessing on a small screen (less than 60"), the effect may not be that great.
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I can't wait for my 8000 to het here! How do you find its abilities when it comes to 2D-3D conversion? It's a feature I'd almost never use, but it could be amazing to have for certain 3D titles that are only currently available in 2D on blu-ray and DVD!
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I can't wait for my 8000 to het here! How do you find its abilities when it comes to 2D-3D conversion? It's a feature I'd almost never use, but it could be amazing to have for certain 3D titles that are only currently available in 2D on blu-ray and DVD!

I've tried it a few times and quite honestly I think it's a useless feature. So far I've purchased ten 3D blu rays and they are all "real" 3D (not studio post-production coversions). They all look fantastic. I'll only buy a handful of conversions (e.g. Titanic), and only after multiple reviews that report a good 3D effect. Here's a useful sight for more info:

http://realorfake3d.com/
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I just received my ae8000 and love i!
Although its my first ever projector i couldn't be happier.

My only issue is that it auto zooms the picture out to fill the screen when SD material is being played and i cannot figure out how to change it?

any ideas??

thanks
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I just received my ae8000 and love i!
Although its my first ever projector i couldn't be happier.
My only issue is that it auto zooms the picture out to fill the screen when SD material is being played and i cannot figure out how to change it?
any ideas??
thanks

Might help:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K7BfnwX4nw&feature=related
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I just received my ae8000 and love i!
Although its my first ever projector i couldn't be happier.
My only issue is that it auto zooms the picture out to fill the screen when SD material is being played and i cannot figure out how to change it?
any ideas??
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When you say "SD material" are you refering to 4:3 aspect ratios? I'm not sure I understand your question.
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I am coming from an AE700u from about 5 years ago, and I have been without it since that time. This projector completely smokes it, of course. I am running a custom 145" 2.35 BW Carada screen. Eeeeeepic. So awesome. Totally bright enough in ECO mode running in rec and cin1. I am so thrilled. No 3d yet, gotta send away for the glasses.
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I am coming from an AE700u from about 5 years ago, and I have been without it since that time. This projector completely smokes it, of course. I am running a custom 145" 2.35 BW Carada screen. Eeeeeepic. So awesome. Totally bright enough in ECO mode running in rec and cin1. I am so thrilled. No 3d yet, gotta send away for the glasses.
Hudson, thank you for this....I was wondering if this PJ could handle a large screen and your post has eased my mind!
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Here is a short review the PT-AT6000 from WhatHifi:

http://www.whathifi.com/review/panasonic-pt-at6000e

Important: crosstalk seems to be reduced to a few difficult scenes (tested with Kingdom of Plants 3D)
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Thanks for posting that. Not much of a review. Regarding crosstalk it says:
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With Kingdom of Plants 3D, the content feels comfortable to watch, too. Weird crosstalk effects (where the image for the left and right eyes get mixed up) seem reduced and only with the most complex images, where the 3D look is most dramatic, does some instability surface.

"...seems reduced..." Reduced from what?


Is there anyone out there able to provide an objective comparison on the differences between the 7000 and the 8000 regarding ghosting?
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Here is a short review the PT-AT6000 from WhatHifi:
http://www.whathifi.com/review/panasonic-pt-at6000e
Important: crosstalk seems to be reduced to a few difficult scenes (tested with Kingdom of Plants 3D)

Not sure what they a referring to regarding a switch from RF to IR for the glasses, since the AE7000 was also IR.
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And here a summary of another very positive review from the German Heimkino magazine. Full review can be downloaded for 0.99. Bottom line: it delivers the best 3D picture in it's price range.:

http://www.testberichte.de/p/panasonic-tests/pt-at6000e-testbericht.html
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I currently have a Panasonic TC-P65GT30 Plasma (from 2011 line-up), does anyone know if the 3D glasses from this will work with the 8K? If I've been reading correctly I don't think they will. I've been on the verge of buying a Pj for about 4-5 years.... I think my time has come.
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Sorry unfortunately I have not had the time to do much 3D viewing, I have only watched Promethius and Snow White and the Huntsman movies since last week in 2D. Both are darkly lit movies in many scenes. I can report that the picture IS slightly better than the 7000. Its NOTa world of difference though. I had to invest about $1000 for the upgrade to the 8000 I'm still on the fence about it. Whether a 1k investment is worth a much brighhter picture and slightly more contrast and color is in the eyes & pocketbook of the beholder LOL. Tonight I am watching a color burst movie Madasgar 3 with my kids, I already know it will be total 100% eye candy. Those of you who own the 7000 and are on the fence I have to offer pro's and cons to think about...

Pro's to upgrade.
1) The value of the 7000 will continue to decline as the market floods with them.
2) Picture is WAY brighter than the 7000
3) Contrast/Colors are slightly better than the 7000
4) New projector = new warranty.

Con's to upgrade
1) Assuming you can get $1700-$2000 for a 7000 youre shelling out 1K!
2) Sending out for glasses sucks.
3) EXCELLENT projector but as someone mentoned, not sure the jump from the 7000 to the 8000 is worth $1000+

If someone is coming from something other than a 7000 ...DO IT! Pull the trigger, your socks will be knocked off.
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Thanks Duke...very informative. This is going to be my first PJ purchase and I have it narrowed down to two PJS!
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