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Old 09-21-2013, 01:54 AM
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Have a question:

Just how much of a difference is there between the 8000, Epson 5020, JVC X35 as far as blacks go in 2D. IS there really that big of a difference or is it a, you won't really be able to notice unless they're all next to each other kind of thing?

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Have a question:

Just how much of a difference is there between the 8000, Epson 5020, JVC X35 as far as blacks go in 2D. IS there really that big of a difference or is it a, you won't really be able to notice unless they're all next to each other kind of thing?
between the panny and the epson the epson has better blacks
between the panny and the jvc the jvc has much better blacks
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Yes that is what i've read, but what exactly does that mean? Does the 8000 blacks look dark grey or something compared to the JVC? My HT is a dedicated room with 100% lighting control. The biggest TV/Screen I've ever owned was a 32 inch TV.

You 8000 owners how do the blacks look to you? Possible screen shots would be nice if you have them available.

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Yes that is what i've read, but what exactly does that mean? Does the 8000 blacks look dark grey or something compared to the JVC? My HT is a dedicated room with 100% lighting control. The biggest TV/Screen I've ever owned was a 32 inch TV.

You 8000 owners how do the blacks look to you? Possible screen shots would be nice if you have them available.
The picture looks amazing. I've yet to hear one thing negative from every person who has watched a movie here. Just last night we watched Wreck-It Ralph with my friend and his daughter and he made the comment that he couldn't believe how bright and clear and amazing the picture looks. I'm sure the blacks could be better, but there's always give and take with every projector where one has something better than the other in terms of features. Every person has to decide what they can live with or without. Much of it is subjective anyway so you have to be the judge with your own eyes. I'm yet to see a scene where I thought, "Man, the blacks are just not cutting it." But that's just me. wink.gif
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What's amazing about it? Amazing in comparison to what other machines?

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between the panny and the epson the epson has better blacks
between the panny and the jvc the jvc has much better blacks

Agreed, 100%.
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Do the 8000 blacks look dark grey or something compared to the JVC?

Also, have either of you actually seen all 3 of these projectors to know "100%"

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What's amazing about it? Amazing in comparison to what other machines?

Amazing to him. Remember everyone has different backgrounds and experiences. So a big, clear, bright 1080 picture? I am sure it is amazing!

Also, most people can't compare projectors. No store by me to do this at least! In my case I listed my needs and bought what I think is best for me. I sure would have loved to compare side by side though!
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Amazing to him. Remember everyone has different backgrounds and experiences. So a big, clear, bright 1080 picture? I am sure it is amazing!
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Exactly. I know people that think our local NBC (football) hi-def picture looks amazing yet to me it's crappy and I can see macro blocking that they can't. As long as the quality meets my needs, I really don't care what others may think. Yeah, the blacks can be deeper, but they're deep enough for me and I'm very happy with the picture I get so no gripes whatsoever. Plus the 8k has all the features I wanted. Like I said before, this is subjective because each person is different and has different sensitivities.

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Exactly. I think sometimes people get too caught up in what the pros think and start to compare things that don't do these projector's justice ie. A picture on your monitor taken by a camera by someone else in a room completely different than yours. My parents have an older flat panel TV and I can definitely tell the black levels are crap. You can see the grey moving around anything dark and it's not clear at all. I am pretty sure the 8000 isn't even close to that, correct me if i'm wrong. And is $500-700 more (JVC) worth it for slightly better blacks? To some perhaps, not to me.

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Just got done watching Potter 7 part 2 which visually is a very dark movie, with a few very bright scenes. To me, the blacks are very good on my 8000. I get good detail in the shadowy areas, and overall the performance is excellent IMO. The bright scenes were almost retina burning with great color. I'm running rec709 in Eco mode. I tend to not get hung up on published contrast ratios and black levels. Real life performance is what matters to me. I am in a 100% light controlled room, with a 120" wide 2.35 AR SeymourAV Center Stage XD screen. I have over 250 hours on my 8000, and am hilariously happy with it.
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So happy to hear that.

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Hi,
Silvercrest metalized grey screen and perfect blacks

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I can't get the perfect LED (indicating no light or perfect absolute black) to light up on my light meter. But then again I don't have anywhere near the environmental viewing set up you have. Congratulations. Enjoy

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I am more than satisfied with the black level performance of my 8000. I have seen a 5020 as well, but not at the same time or in the same place and there was nothing that looked obviously better to me. Would need to see side by side to tell IMO. But the 5020 has too much lag compared to the 8000 anyways.

I have not seen a X35 or any JVC though so I do not know how it compares to that for black levels. I do know that the X35 is just not bright enough for me though as I do 3D on a 136" screen. I made the screen myself too so I don't think it has any gain either.
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ae8000u newb here! Just unboxed this beast today and, man, this thing can put out some light!

Some quick questions:

1. Can the ae8000u not v-fit a 3d image/disc?

2. The picture seems a little soft... is this a function of ceiling mounting and lens shifting?

3. Are there any recommended settings to "calibrate" this thing without, you know, actually calibrating it? wink.gif Or is each projector going to really be different enough that settings are going to vary wildly machine to machine?

Thanks!

Funny you should mention ceiling mounting. I just went from ceiling mounting to a projector box mounted to my ceiling...(Mostly because my ceiling mount and location was quirky.

In short, I swear my picture got better by having the PJ right side up. I know others have mentioned how the focus across the image was not uniform, in my case it was from source to source...the Fios TV guide would be off, but the PJ menus would be razor sharp and the Image a little soft. Now all three are razor sharp. My lens shift is now mostly centered also.
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Do the 8000 blacks look dark grey or something compared to the JVC?

Also, have either of you actually seen all 3 of these projectors to know "100%"

I may get a lot of flack for this but I can compare the JVC x95 with the Panasonic ae8000, and the difference in blacks to my eyes is greatly exaggerated. The JVC had better blacks (and this is from a much higher model then the x35) but it wasn't a night and day difference. Where the two projectors really looked notably different was the motion, with the Panasonic having notable judder when compared with the JVC (the Panasonic did provide for a brighter and sharper looking image though). I didn't get to spend a huge amount of time with either projector but the difference whilst clear wasn't as massive as I had been lead to believe, especially given the price difference. As in nearly anything as you pay more the improvements get smaller and smaller.


Note: both where not calibrated, I can't recall the settings each projector was on and I am unaware of how many hours where on the bulbs, so take that as you will.
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I've ordered a PT-AE6000E unit at a local shop about 2 months ago. I contacted them to get a status of the order and they replied to me that the unit is no more available and Panasonic is going to replace it soon in Europe with the 7000 unit.

If I'm correct, the 7000 unit is the US version of the European 5000 model. confused.gif

Can anyone confirm the unavailability of 6000 in Europe and the info about the next model of Panasonic?

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Finally someone who actually has seen both. Thanks for the honesty Film.

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Finally someone who actually has seen both. Thanks for the honesty Film.

Just a fyi, I am currently deciding between the x35 and ae8000 and if you have the cash available I would tend to recommend the x35 based on the pq in 2d (I can't comment on 3d as despite really wanting to see it I haven't been able to with both units) and as a result of some apparent poor quality control with the ae8000. The difference isn't massive as was the case with the x95, but for me it may be enough. This all depends on what deals you have available to you on the projectors and what screen size you are looking at and so on.

Also if you are going for a scope screen the ae8000 when set up can auto detect this and change the zoom for you, the x35 requires some button presses which depending on the individual may or may not matter.

I really wish I could have more experience with both in 3d as both should be bright enough for me, but which one has the least crosstalk? and is that still to much crosstalk for me? I can't say, but I am endeavoring to find out.
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Finally someone who actually has seen both. Thanks for the honesty Film.
Speaking of a different both. I recently sold my old Pani 2000 after years of great sevrice. A local couple got a great unit including my older smaller screen I threw in with the price! Since they wanted the 5 min demo I couldn't resist one more power up.

It wasn't till I went back to the 8000 I realized how much better the blacks are on today's projectors. I recall just a couple of short years ago a ton of talk when it came to black level! I think it mattered more then than now.
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Finally someone who actually has seen both. Thanks for the honesty Film.

What there is, at this point, is a diminishing return on black levels for the amount of money one spends.
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Ghosting all of a sudden.
So I was watching my Avengers with my son in 3D last night and noticed major ghosting with this movie that I had not noticed the last time we watched it and when we watched Iron Man 3 also in 3D. We hardly ever watch stuff in 3D but it was really bad. The only thing that has changed is I upgraded my cyberlink power dvd player to version 13. Is my panny in need of service?
I have it hooked up to an intgera 70.2 receiver and a HTPC that has an approved 3D graphics card and intel i5 processor.
Please help me out.
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Ghosting all of a sudden.
So I was watching my Avengers with my son in 3D last night and noticed major ghosting with this movie that I had not noticed the last time we watched it and when we watched Iron Man 3 also in 3D. We hardly ever watch stuff in 3D but it was really bad. The only thing that has changed is I upgraded my cyberlink power dvd player to version 13. Is my panny in need of service?
I have it hooked up to an intgera 70.2 receiver and a HTPC that has an approved 3D graphics card and intel i5 processor.
Please help me out.
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What is the temperature in your room? Now, when it is colder than in the summer, I notice alot more ghosting in 3d as well.
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Ghosting all of a sudden.
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The only thing that has changed is I upgraded my cyberlink power dvd player to version 13.
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I suggest you revert back to your previous PowerDVD version.

At my HTPC, that drives a Mitsubishi 7800, I had the PowerDVD 12 installed and everything was fine.

I downloaded the trial version of PowerDVD 13 and all of a sudden I was having issues not only in 3D movies but also at 2D movies. When PDVD switched frequency from 60HZ to 24Hz, the movie stuttered a lot. I had to revert manually back to 60Hz to watch the movie.
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Any word on Panasonic at CEDIA and releasing a new projector to replace the 8000?

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Any word on Panasonic at CEDIA and releasing a new projector to replace the 8000?
Panasonic didn't attend this year's CEDIA.
I didn't go to any of my suppliers to see what they know as they usually know less than we do.
I did go and watch Epson's demos and was impressed, but I'm a Panny guy, so unless Panny sticks with 8000 model and new JVC/Epsons are that much better, I might be getting the 8000 to replace my 4000.
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Ghosting all of a sudden.
So I was watching my Avengers with my son in 3D last night and noticed major ghosting with this movie that I had not noticed the last time we watched it and when we watched Iron Man 3 also in 3D. We hardly ever watch stuff in 3D but it was really bad. The only thing that has changed is I upgraded my cyberlink power dvd player to version 13. Is my panny in need of service?
I have it hooked up to an intgera 70.2 receiver and a HTPC that has an approved 3D graphics card and intel i5 processor.
Please help me out.
thanks
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Was it bad throughout the movie, or did it get better as the movie progressed? I only ask because I have read that with LCD projectors, the 3D can initally start with ghosting but lessen once either the glasses or projector have warmed up.
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Hey all! I just got my PT-AE8000U projector about a week ago and I'm mostly enjoying it! But I've been having an issue lately and I wondered if anyone here could help. Whenever I watch SD channels coming from my computer (tv tuner + video card) in full screen mode on the projector, the image seems to drop (goes black) every 2-30 seconds for about 3 seconds and then comes back as if the projector lost the signal briefly. This only happens for SD channels (and some online videos), not HD channels or movies, and only in full screen mode (if it is windowed mode there is no problem. I am running a 25ft DVI cable with a HDMI adapter to the projector from the PC. I have tried all three HDMI inputs and they behave the same. Anyone have any advice on how to tackle this? Something in the settings I can do to help?

Otherwise loving the projector. :c)

It could be a streaming issue. Perhaps its losing connection waiting for content to "stream again". Just my guess. Especially if you have no issues when streaming movies from your pc to your projector. Do you have the same issue when you stream from your pc to your T.V? Have you tested it that way?

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hi everyone i thought this would be a good place to come for the problem i am having with my pt-ae8000u that i bought used on amazon in great condition and 100% working and tested guaranteed so i thought as that's what it said on amazon, i hooked it up today and saw these lines running down the screen, the same width, then they started to look like 1x1 inch squares or a checkerboard look i don't know but take a look at these pictures it's really noticeable on walls in TV shows and looks like striped wallpaper. i'm hoping someone here knows how to fix this because 'im in Canada and i spent $200 getting it here from the states and i would hate to send it back and spend another $200 and lose $400 in total for nothing. this projector is disgusting and hard to watch with this issue compared to my Epson 6010 that i plan to sell as the pt-ae8000u was meant to be the replacement. any help or guidance on what i should do is much appreciated, thank you

 

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