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Been playing with my hw50es. The out of box picture is stunning. Haven't watched a movie yet but gaming is unbelievably smooth and insane at 134". Definitely worth going from 100" To 134

Hw50es smokes my old epson 8500ub!!!

Pics and video to come!

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Been playing with my hw50es. The out of box picture is stunning. Haven't watched a movie yet but gaming is unbelievably smooth and insane at 134". Definitely worth going from 100" To 134

Hw50es smokes my old epson 8500ub!!!

Pics and video to come!

So how is the Carada screen? Satisfied with the quality and image? I plan to order a screen after I receive my 50ES and use it a few days on a large white wall.
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Finally got the money for toys I've been waiting on which means I should be ordering my HW50ES with Carada screen from AVS this coming week biggrin.gif

Question is, are there any helpful resources out there (or on here) for tips on installation and setup?? This will be my first venture into the world of projectors and am excited beyond belief, but I get insanely anal/OCD/perfectionist about installing things that have to be absolutely perfect... Thanks for any help, guys.

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Thanks for your response. What's the model # of your peerless mount?


I have the Chief mount. I had the peerless PRG UNV but it wasn't nearly as solid as the Chief RPAU. It may have been fine, but some people reported having to tinker with it frequently and I wasn't interested in that.

I found the Chief mount in my local best buy and the price matched amazon for me: http://www.amazon.com/Chief-RPAU-Universal-Projector-Ceiling/dp/B000BVOP6I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1377471692&sr=8-1&keywords=chief+projector+mount

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Can anyone help me with why my projector is juddering or stuttering or something when I am watching in 3d?

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I like the RPM better than the RPA as it is easier to make fine adjustments with its gears but it is $40-50 more.  Either will work fine.

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Thanks for all of the suggestions on the Chief mounts. I haven't made up my mind yet on which I'll buy, but your comments have been very helpful.

Now, in regards to installation, is there any calculator like http://www.eliteprojectorcalculator.com that provides valid install measurements for the HW50ES? http://www.eliteprojectorcalculator.com/ only has the HW30ES.

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Use the manual.

http://www.docs.sony.com/release/VPLHW50ES.pdf

 

Here is the formula for diagonal screen size.  Throw distance from screen to the lens

 

Diag x 1.25, then subtract 1.875 = minimum throw distance

Diag x 1.875, then subtract 1.75 = maximum throw distance

 

Example 120" diagonal screen

 

120 x 1.25 = 150 - 1.875 = 148.125 inches or 12 feet 4 1/8 inches for the closest distance

 

120 x 1.875 = 225 - 1.75 = 223.25 inches or 18 feet 7 1/4 inches for the furthest distance

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Use the manual.
http://www.docs.sony.com/release/VPLHW50ES.pdf





Here is the formula for diagonal screen size.  Throw distance from screen to the lens

Diag x 1.25, then subtract 1.875 = minimum throw distance
Diag x 1.875, then subtract 1.75 = maximum throw distance

Example 120" diagonal screen

120 x 1.25 = 150 - 1.875 = 148.125 inches or 12 feet 4 1/8 inches for the closest distance

120 x 1.875 = 225 - 1.75 = 223.25 inches or 18 feet 7 1/4 inches for the furthest distance

Thank you. So it appears my throw distance (~15 ft) is good. What I'm still trying to figure out is what the projector mount height needs to be.

My ceiling is 104.5" and the distance between the ceiling and the center of the screen will be 40.15".

I know the projector has vertical shift, but I'm not sure:
1). if the image is negatively impacted by using vertcal shift
2). what the minimum distance between the ceiling and the center of the lens would need to be to avoid the need to use lens shift
3). How to calculate what the distance needs to be between the ceiling and the center of the lens ensuring that it fills my 120" screen where the center of the screen is 40.15" below the ceiling.

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1. yes but don't worry about it.

2. the projector would have to be placed in the middle of the screen vertically not to use lens shift

3. the formula is in the manual and also depends on how much horizontal lens shift you use.  If you use none you can have the projector ~ 1 foot above the top of the screen.

 

If the center of your screen is at ~40", the top of the screen would be about 69" from the floor and the projector could go 12" above that or 81".  The projector would have to hang down ~20".  How long is your room?  Would it be possible to shelf mount this on a back wall?  You might want to consider raising your screen a little.  Are you having multiple rows?  

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So I got my HW50 for a couple of weeks now and my thoughts are, pq is awesome (remem I am projecting on a white wall in an all white room)and I am not looking for any ill effects just enjoying my first projector (make wonder how the black levels on the JVC's are any better but I guess I am still a newbie in this industry). Fiancee came home after work the first night and saw the picture on the wall, her first reaction was wow this is just like the theater (and this is the same woman bugging me to buy a tv instead). So I played a game on her, box the projector the next day and hide it in the house, she came home the next day and I told her I return it because it was too expensive, you can not image the disappointment on her face.

I am also using my 15 year old sony HTIB and sound feels more immersive because of the big pq, so we watched Avatar 3D this weekend pq and sq was great . Funny part was after the movie she ask me so would the new speakers that you buying (Klipsch RF82ii system with HSU VTF-15) sound louder than this?smile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gif lol.
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So how is the Carada screen? Satisfied with the quality and image? I plan to order a screen after I receive my 50ES and use it a few days on a large white wall.

the Carada BW is very nice. You can't see the texture at all, and most importantly NO SPARKLES! Sparkles is what drove me crazy on my 100" elite.

When people say that Carada is a "poor man's Stewart" it's pretty much accurate statement, but totally worth it compared to price of a stewart for me at least.

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the Carada BW is very nice. You can't see the texture at all, and most importantly NO SPARKLES! Sparkles is what drove me crazy on my 100" elite.

When people say that Carada is a "poor man's Stewart" it's pretty much accurate statement, but totally worth it compared to price of a stewart for me at least.

Great!

Thanks for the feedback. I will be speaking with Mike concerning a screen today. I need to verify a couple of measurements before ordering.

50ES will be in my hands Labor Day week! I can't wait to try it!
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I wanted to report that I too have my HW50ES paired with a Carada BW and it's a great combination.
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Good to hear all the positives for the HW50ES + Carada BW combo, I just ordered mine about an hour ago.

The size comparison between my current 64" plasma and my proposed 118" Carada makes me laugh... and feel warm inside at the same time.
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I like the RPM series with the custom plate instead of the universal.

I'm exchanging my Chief universal (RSMAU) for the custom (RSMA020). The design of the adjustable arms on the universal mount allows for motion of the arms after the projector is mounted. I found this motion made it difficult to fine tune pitch, roll and yaw since there was another source of motion in the system. Also, when adjusting zoom, and H/V shift, the alignment of the projector can change slightly while moving the wheels. Finally, my projector is about seven feet from the floor which makes it susceptible to being knocked or touched which is not a good combination with this mount.

I realize that if I change projectors, I may need a new mounting plate, but I think it's worth the extra cost in order to not have to worry about the projector moving.
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We'll happy to report my projector and screen (JKP 106" ) is up and running. And I must say the picture is amazing and so clean across the whole screen. I cant thank Craig enough for the suggestion to get the JKP it's an amazing combo. We watched Avatar 3D over the weekend and thankfully it was bright enough and had such a detailed picture most likley thanks to Zombies calibration. Thanks AVS oh and by the way the wait was worth it after all!

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For anyone with suggestions, my projector seems to stutter occasionally.i thought it was just 3d but it seems its even when watching other content. It's much more noticeable in 3d. denon 2113 receiver, blue rigger hdmi cable.

I'm trying to diagnose it and the next step as suggested by Mike is to bypass the avr so I'm doing that next. But I'm wondering if there are any settings to check first? I really hope it's not hdmi related bc I will be in big trouble. ..

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Here of some shots before and after of my room. Still a work in progress. You'll see the fake wall we had to build for the screen.














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^^^^ Awesome room! Nice going!
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For anyone with suggestions, my projector seems to stutter occasionally.i thought it was just 3d but it seems its even when watching other content. It's much more noticeable in 3d. denon 2113 receiver, blue rigger hdmi cable.

I'm trying to diagnose it and the next step as suggested by Mike is to bypass the avr so I'm doing that next. But I'm wondering if there are any settings to check first? I really hope it's not hdmi related bc I will be in big trouble. ..

 

What makes you think it's the projector and not the source you're feeding your AVR?  I agree with Mike...bypass the AVR HDMI to rule it out and also check what format your source is feeding the projector.  I typically feed my HW50ES 1080p/24 and I've never seen any stuttering of video.  However, I have seen stuttering with a streaming device (in a completely different setup) where it was not properly handling the source content.

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What makes you think it's the projector and not the source you're feeding your AVR?  I agree with Mike...bypass the AVR HDMI to rule it out and also check what format your source is feeding the projector.  I typically feed my HW50ES 1080p/24 and I've never seen any stuttering of video.  However, I have seen stuttering with a streaming device (in a completely different setup) where it was not properly handling the source content.

Well it has happened with 2 different sources - one is streaming video from the xbox and hbo go, but the worse one was the samsung bdp playing tron in 3d.

I thought the projector should handle different frame rates automatically so I wasn't sure if that setting was changed by accident. I couldn't find it though. I will check it out without the avr tonight.

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whoops. I meant the picture kept slowing down and stuttering when there was a lot of 3d content on the screen. Is a denon 2113 and a Samsung blu ray player. I turned off hdmi control and couldn't find any other settings to fix it. Any help?

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I would try bypassing the Denon 2113 and going straight from your blu ray player to the projector. Make sure the cable is firmly seated at both ends. Obviously, you wont get any sound, but this test will tell you whether the receiver is introducing the problem. Many older receivers could not pass 3D signals at 1080P. If the stuttering goes away when the receiver is taken out of the path, your options are to upgrade to a new receiver or use the coax/optical digital output from the blu ray player to the receiver as your audio input when watching 3D blu rays.

If the problem persists, even with the receiver out of the path, then I would suspect your cabling. Again many cables won't pass 3-D 1080P, even if they're fine at 1080i/720P. What length is your cable? If it's >15ft, then this makes it the likely culprit. My next test would be, to bring the Blu ray player as close as you can to the projector and connect them together with a short length of HDMI cable, specifically rated to pass 1080p/3D signals. I'm using a 30ft Redmere cable from Monoprice, so long runs are definitely feasible with the right cable.
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I have the Chief mount. I had the peerless PRG UNV but it wasn't nearly as solid as the Chief RPAU. It may have been fine, but some people reported having to tinker with it frequently and I wasn't interested in that.

I found the Chief mount in my local best buy and the price matched amazon for me: http://www.amazon.com/Chief-RPAU-Universal-Projector-Ceiling/dp/B000BVOP6I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1377471692&sr=8-1&keywords=chief+projector+mount

I went with the Peerless PRGUNV Precision Gear Universal Projector Mount (in black) and it's a very solid mount, even after the kids have been jumping on the wood floors above my movie room. I have not had to make the slightest adjustment in pitch or roll since it's been hung. There is just the tiniest bit of play in the yaw axis, and when I pushed in a new HDMI cable it swung the projector image half an inch to the left. I just gave it a little push from the other side and it was fine. If you don't touch your projector though it won't move just due to gravity or the shaking of the floor above. The yaw axis just uses a setting screw unlike the geared adjustment on the other 2 axis. I'm sure if I tightened the set screw down further, even that final little bit of play would go away, but I don't want to risk over-tightening it as there's no issue unless I changing cabling (which should not happen any more).

It's not the easiest mount to attach to the projector though. First one of the 4 arm needs to be removed completely as the Sony only has 3 mounting screw point. Don't leave the spare arm on! Then, even at the shortest (3) arm setting, it only just fit. I guess its made for even larger units than the Sony. I took care to try and have the mount as close to the center of gravity of the Sony as possible. That obviously reduced the gravitational torque on the mount. It's possible that the owners having issues attached the mount to the projector in a less optimal fashion.
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I would try bypassing the Denon 2113 and going straight from your blu ray player to the projector. Make sure the cable is firmly seated at both ends. Obviously, you wont get any sound, but this test will tell you whether the receiver is introducing the problem. Many older receivers could not pass 3D signals at 1080P. If the stuttering goes away when the receiver is taken out of the path, your options are to upgrade to a new receiver or use the coax/optical digital output from the blu ray player to the receiver as your audio input when watching 3D blu rays.

If the problem persists, even with the receiver out of the path, then I would suspect your cabling. Again many cables won't pass 3-D 1080P, even if they're fine at 1080i/720P. What length is your cable? If it's >15ft, then this makes it the likely culprit. My next test would be, to bring the Blu ray player as close as you can to the projector and connect them together with a short length of HDMI cable, specifically rated to pass 1080p/3D signals. I'm using a 30ft Redmere cable from Monoprice, so long runs are definitely feasible with the right cable.

The receiver has 3d and 4k passthrough, so it seems weird it would be the issue. The cable is a new blue-rigger 1.4 hdmi at 35'

I suppose it could be the cable, but I thought HDMI issues would present in a different way. Not like this. The picture doesn't fall apart at all and there is no digital noise or anything. The sound is unaffected. It just freezes for a second or whatever. So it seemed like a frame rate issue more than anything. In any case I will test further tonight and let you guys know. If I have to replace the cable it is going to be a real pain. I really hope that isn't it (and I don't see why an HDMI cable would introduce this particular issue.)

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i use blue rigger and i have two 35' cables no issues with hw50es and denon x3000

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i use blue rigger and i have two 35' cables no issues with hw50es and denon x3000

but clueless as to what issue might be.

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No problems here using a 50' bluerigger cable, but a sure way to tell is to move the BD player into the room with the PJ, and try a different cable.

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No problems here using a 50' bluerigger cable, but a sure way to tell is to move the BD player into the room with the PJ, and try a different cable.

Another good debugging idea; thank you.

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Another good debugging idea; thank you.

Let me know what you find out. Also when connecting the BD player to the projector, make sure any extra processing is off.

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