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hi I'm buying a 1.4 zero edge 106 inch 16:9 for my master bedroom. master is not a bat cave, it has around 8 fc of lighting during the day with shades open. need to decide projector : these could be my options:

Panasonic PTAE8000
Epson 5010/6010
Sony HW50E

tks in andvance for your help..
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You need to specify your throw distance (horizontal distance from lens front to the plane of the screen).

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can be around 16 feet without a problem. maybe little less if needed.
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With your screen size, that's a throw of about 2.2. That's a little too much for the Sony and you would have to mount the projector about a foot closer for it to work. The Sony would be my first choice.

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Mark has already covered it. Out of the ones posted the Sony will put up the best image. But, as he said, you need about another foot closer for it to work. Between the Epson and Panasonic I'd go with the Epson. It has better contrast and it's very very bright if 3D is of interest. Epson also gives out the best warranty in the business.

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can be around 16 feet without a problem. maybe little less if needed.

That is a throw of 2.09, just barely in the throw range of the Sony HW50ES. 2.12 I believe is max. With that size screen and the Sony, you would have plenty of lumens to fight ambient light. I also like the Sony choice.

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Hi I do like the Sony projector more than the other two but I'm worried that because of the ambient light I know the Epson and the Panasonic suppose are brighter than the Sony but that's on specs only how is this in the real life?
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I wasn't sure on the throw ratio. I guess Mike cleared that up and it seems it will work in your space. For 2D I doubt you'd have any issue with any of these projectors. Especially considering you aren't opting for a huge screen. 106" these days is pretty modest and all three should handle it superbly. If you want to know real world specs I would suggest you check out Art's reviews on projectorreviews.com. He lists calibrated D65 lumen output for each projector he reviews. Here's a little cheat sheet:

For the Sony:
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Post Calibration: User "best" mode = 992 lumens (Brightest mode, with inaccurate color, yields a little over 1200 lumens which you could use for 3D)

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Post calibration: 630 lumens (Though, if you want to sacrifice color accuracy it can put out over 1600 lumens)

Panasonic PT-AE7000 (The 8000 should be a tad brighter but his review isn't up yet):
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The PT-AE7000 measured 442 lumens calibrated in "best" mode, based on the REC 709. (1516 lumens in its brightest mode)


As you can see, the Sony puts out a much brigher image once properly calibrated. Yes, in full power and with colors looking horrible, you can get a brighter picture with the other two. The Sony is the projector to get. You should be careful about getting something too bright for your space though, especially if your room isn't treated properly. I see you want to put this in a bed room. An especially bright projector can make it so that light gets thrown back onto the screen once it hits any reflective surfaces and make the image look washed out. My room is pretty well treated and I've been having that issue with my JVC DLA-X3 that I just set up. You should take that into consideration if you're looking to get the best experience from your projector. Especially these units because they are high contrast projectors. The more stray light that hits your screen the less perceived contrast you're going to get.

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The idea is for it to work with light on,, my master isn't very bright i took some measurements with the iPhone app and the max i get is 8FC thats like with all lights on/shades up. wife only condition is that i has to look good on the day in these conditions....
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In that case you've got two options, just to be safe you could drop the screen size down to something more manageable like 92" and place the projector as close as possible to get the most lumens possible. Or you could stick with your original screen size and look at something brighter. I'd recommend either the BenQ W6000 or W7000. Both are extremely bright and would work worlds better for your situation.

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MY BAD ON THE THROW. I read the diag as 100, not 106. 106 inches gives a throw ratio of about 2.08 which is at the long end of the Sony range. So your set up will work fine with the lens surface at 16 ft. No further out than that to be safe.

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if needed i can place the pj a little more to the front.. just want to get the best setup to have a good image with 8 FC of lighting during the day.. i have blackout in the whole room but not used at day..so from what i get the sony throw more lumens that the epson...at regular conditions
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The closer to the front, the brighter the picture will be. But you are OK at 16 ft. The increase in brightness is not linear, either in how much more light willpass throught the lens because it is wider at closer throws nor how your eyes will perceive the extra light. I would thing you are OK at 16 and might see a brighter picture at 15.5to 15 feet. Things won't improve that much more unless you get very close to shortest throw.

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With the 106" 1.4 gain Black Diamond screen he is considering, he is going to have a lot of Foot Lamberts. He is going to get around 29 FL in low lamp with the 16' throw and still be in best image mode. Will not be able to do that with the other choices. That kind of brightness will work well even with 8FC of ambient light in the room.

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with of the projector you're referring
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The Sony.

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Have you looked at the very big LCD the 70 to 90 " would go good in a room like that.
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im already leaning to the projector/screen option. just dont know wich one to get.. the new panasonic supposly has the same lumes as the epson 6010, the sony i like doesnt have it and with my room conditions i dont know exactly how many lumes do i need to get on one of the projector modes.
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