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Hi Jason,

Did you sell your BenQ?

Tom

I still have it, not sure what to do with it just yet. I might use it for work since all we have are VGA projectors from 6+ years ago.
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Thanks for the rec Zombie! Just put this in my que.

Question.......I noticed in the Sharp thread you mentioned how you tweak your gamma to 2.1 ~30 IRE and below and was curious if you use this same tweak for the RS55 to help bring out a bit more shadow detail?

Thanks

On the RS55, I usually calibrate it relatively flat and use the brightness / darkness controls which slightly tweaks the low and higher end of the gamma. On the 45/46, I would bring it down to ~2.1 starting at 30 ire down to 10. Some of the night scenes in 'The Last Stand' are good demos to help tweak the low end of the gamma.
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On the RS55, I usually calibrate it relatively flat and use the brightness / darkness controls which slightly tweaks the low and higher end of the gamma. On the 45/46, I would bring it down to ~2.1 starting at 30 ire down to 10. Some of the night scenes in 'The Last Stand' are good demos to help tweak the low end of the gamma.

Cool, thanks. I am running flat 2.2 right now, but I am going to try this 2.1 tweak next time I pull out the meter.
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I see all this talk about Gamma. What Gamma should we be aiming for?

I've heard everything from 2.2 to 2.5. Read somewhere that blu is authored at 2.4.

Totally confused rolleyes.gif
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I haven't heard of anyone talking about DVD quality on their projectors. Granted I tend to watch mostly Blu-ray movies but I was curious how a DVD would look on my 148" scope screen. So today while it was raining all day I put on "The Blue Max" that I had on a standard DVD but it was a 2.35:1 scope aspect ratio. Well needless to say I wasn't expecting much but I was pleasantly surprised as it looked pretty darn good. In fact the closeups looked outstanding. Don't misunderstand as it wasn't as good as a BD but I was surprised as I still have around 1k DVD's still in my collection. This just goes to show how good the RS4810 really is! biggrin.gif
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I think it's also a testament to how good the up conversions are now, especially on a quality bluray player like the 103.
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I have found that 4x3 films hold up pretty decent on my screen though I haven't purchased and sd dvds i years.

Tom
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I think it's also a testament to how good the up conversions are now, especially on a quality bluray player like the 103.

Very good point, the Oppo 103 is an excellent piece of the pie too. wink.gif

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I have found that 4x3 films hold up pretty decent on my screen though I haven't purchased and sd dvds i years.

Tom

I haven't tried a 4:3 film, not sure if I even have one. I haven't bought any standard DVD's in more than 6 years but my collection was very large before Blu-ray's & HD-DVD's hit the shelves.
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I see all this talk about Gamma. What Gamma should we be aiming for?

I've heard everything from 2.2 to 2.5. Read somewhere that blu is authored at 2.4.

Totally confused rolleyes.gif

Most Blu-rays are authored for 2.2. However if you have a properly light controlled room with no ambient light, dark walls/ceilings etc, then some prefer the projector to be calibrated to 2.3 for a slightly more dynamic look.
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I prefer my gamma at 2.4 and calibrate for it as long as the display can pull it off without any ill effect.

Jason
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We could get into a long discussion of which gamma setting is best. There is a whole thread on this in the calibration section. To make it simple I suggest setting you gamma between 2.2 & 2.5. the higher gamma setting should be used in a light controlled room. It also depends on the quality of your display. I personally like the setting 2.4 in a totally light controlled room for most films. I find that the image has a little more dynamic range at this setting for me. This setting was also suggested by one of the top calibrators in the business and a founder of ISF.
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Hey, Zombie, when will your Mitsubishi HC5 arrive?
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Hey, Zombie, when will your Mitsubishi HC5 arrive?

Still waiting to hear if the member's dealer can get one, last I heard Mitsubishi was down to their last batch (<100).

did you get a chance to run the motion tests? curious to confirm if none of these models will pass much above 500 lines.
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Yes, with True Video or True Film ON I get around 500 lines of motion resolution.
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The 5020 is a great 3D projector with plenty of lumen output. The RF glasses are nice and comfortable as well.

if you're certain the focus is good, then look through the menus. There's a number of sharpening controls that might not be set to your liking. Find the controls for 'Super Resolution' and try setting it to 2 and see how it looks at seating distance. This sharpening process works well when used in moderation.

138" wide screen is pretty big screen. You might consider adding the Darbee video processor. For a low cost, this device adds a very nice bump in perceived sharpness to the overall PQ.


Zombie, My screen is 138" also, My projector is the Epson 5010. have you ever used or seen the Darbee in action?
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Zombie, My screen is 138" also, My projector is the Epson 5010. have you ever used or seen the Darbee in action?

I had one of the first Darbee's released last year. cool.gif

I use it with all of my projectors, I generally set it to 35-40% on HD mode and leave it alone. It's hard to capture the effect with screen shots, but look in my signature for some close up photos on my JVC.

For the low cost, it's a recommended addition, especially with a large screen.
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I had one of the first Darbee's released last year. cool.gif

I use it with all of my projectors, I generally set it to 35-40% on HD mode and leave it alone. It's hard to capture the effect with screen shots, but look in my signature for some close up photos on my JVC.

For the low cost, it's a recommended addition, especially with a large screen.

Thank you, I just found out about this device today if you want to believe it. I have been reading about it on its dedicated thread for the last hour.
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Thank you, I just found out about this device today if you want to believe it. I have been reading about it on its dedicated thread for the last hour.

Yeah that thread gets pretty funny. It starts off with a lot of doubters. Several that are really against the device. Then they try it and become believers. I was surprised at how much improvement that it provided for such a small investment.
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HC9000/HC5 IR transmitter

HC9000-IR.jpg

HC9000-IR1.jpg

This transmitter is quite expensive and not readily available at a discounted price. expect to pay ~$200 or a bit less if you look around. I don't think Mitsubishi re-released this with the current batch of HC5's.

The 5 Pin wire appears to be the same as the HC8000's IR transmitter, but I don't know if they are cross-compatible.

HC8000-glasses2.jpg

3D-Shootout51.jpg

The HC5 should be here by this time next week. I'm looking forward to seeing it in an A/B stack next to the RS55.
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Watched Hansel and Gretel in 3D on Sunday on the JVC X75. I was not aware of any visible crosstalk throughout this movie and the 3D was a lot of fun in it! Plenty of depth and out of screen activity. Its not a film to be taken seriously. It is a bit of fun....I enjoyed it.
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HC9000/HC5 IR transmitter


The HC5 should be here by this time next week. I'm looking forward to seeing it in an A/B stack next to the RS55.

I will be interested in your 3d comparison, especially compared to the RS46. I can't imagine the HC5 will be much 2d competition for the rs55 on your big screen with it's much better blacks and eshift. My HC5 showed up last week and blows away my rs10 on anything with motion but in static scenes still looks very similar to the 10 and does not have as good a blacks as the 32,000:1 rs10 on my 133" hipower. Not a deal breaker for me and about what I expected, the motion and price, really makes up for it compared to the 4 year old rs10.
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To display 3D only,
What projector recommends me?
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Just received a jvc rs55. The color space 4 2 2 doesnt seem to be working right the faces are purple on blueray and directv am i doing something wrong thang i figured it. Out on blue ray player wasnt auto changing it. Does directv only work on 444
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To display 3D only,
What projector recommends me?

For 3D only a DLP would probably be the best: No flicker because of high refresh rates and zero ghosting. If that is important for you go with the Benq W7000. However, the disadvantage of this projector is its weak black level and contrast. Personally I don't like the Frame interpolation in fast scenes (calculation errors). However you are almost forced to us it in 3D on the Benq, otherwise you have pull-down judder (because he shutters with 120Hz, which means 60 Hz per eye, which is not a multiple of 24p).

If you want good 3D with high contrast and good colors go with the Sony HW50 (it is an excellent 2D projector as well). It has little ghosting which can be even further optimized when used with RF glasses. However when you are sensitive to flicker, it is probably not the right choice because it shutters with 96 Hz, which means only 48 Hz per eye. However that way you don't have the pull-down judder-frame interpolation problematic.

There are other good 3D units available, but those two are for sure some of the better ones... as a HUGE 3D fan I own both. They have both their specific strength and weaknesses also depending on the movie you watch. For 3D real life movies I would always prefer the HW50. For animations and very difficult high contrast 3D scenes maybe the W7000.
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To display 3D only,
What projector recommends me?

Sharp Z30K and a high gain screen.
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Adding the Mitsubishi HC-5 to the mini-shootout thread. Special thanks to fellow AVS member Speedplay for sending in his new toy to be added to the comparison thread.


HC5-5.jpg

HC-5 / HC9000 lamp

HC5-1.jpg

They are using a relatively thick lens in front of the lamp.

HC5-2.jpg

HC5-3.jpg

HC5-4.jpg

HC5-7.jpg

with just a quick search, I can't seem to find this exact lamp, although there are model #'s that are similar. I'll have to take a closer look.

Time for a quick calibration.
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HC5-5.jpg
Your photos are great appetizers, as usual. I'm thrilled to hear your opinion on HC5, Zombie. The most interesting comparison would be vs. JVC in 2D.
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Sharp Z30K and a high gain screen.

The brightness of the Sharp Z30k in 3D, How is it compared to the RS45?
The RS45 is the only reference that I have to compare. I have a screen of 90" (1.1 gain) and with this screen the RS45 is very bright in 3D mode.

In the future it could be 110". If I buy the Z30k, with these screen measures (90" or 110"), Do I need to have a high gain screen?

Thanks.
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Zombie - your efforts are truly appreciated.
I am also looking forward to your thoughts on the HC5. It sounds like a great value if it reviews well.

My current Sony VW85 has been great but looking to get into something newer and brighter.
The RS55 and 50es are 2 strong possibilies as well but a bit out of the budget but not totally out of the picture if I just go for it and extend the budget.

I have a Dalite 106" - 1.3 cinemavision screen in a light controlled room. Projector 14' back and seating 11' from the screen.

2d is our main viewing and looking for best film image.

For tv and sports i am using the Benq W6000 in a non light controlled setting which has been working out really well.

Would the RS55 be a noticeable upgrade from the VW85 in brightness?
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I am also looking forward to your thoughts on the HC5. It sounds like a great value if it reviews well.
Not to diminish Zombie's contribution, but HC5 reviews well regardless of what Zombie has to say. Just do some research on HC9000D's reviews as well as user reviews on this forum.
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