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Webmonkey's Avatar Webmonkey 04:42 AM 03-13-2013
I just tested the Optoma Zf2100 with Optima emitter last night with my X30. They work just fine - it was all plug and play - but dimmer than the JVC glasses.

Now I wonder if it could be possible to change the polarization of the glasses? The emitter with the joystick has so much other tweaking options.

Clark Burk's Avatar Clark Burk 05:41 AM 03-13-2013
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Originally Posted by Webmonkey View Post

I just tested the Optoma Zf2100 with Optima emitter last night with my X30. They work just fine - it was all plug and play - but dimmer than the JVC glasses.

Now I wonder if it could be possible to change the polarization of the glasses? The emitter with the joystick has so much other tweaking options.

An easy way to find out is to turn your head 90 degrees to one side and see if the image gets brighter. If it does then that probably means your screen is retaining some of the polarization with your JVC X30. With the JVC glasses you would most likely see a brighter 3D image if your screen retains polarization. As Zombie stated that is what makes the High Power screen so attractive for 3D viewing. It is high gain and retains very little polarization so it works with quite a few 3rd party glasses.
Webmonkey's Avatar Webmonkey 07:30 AM 03-13-2013
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An easy way to find out is to turn your head 90 degrees to one side and see if the image gets brighter. If it does then that probably means your screen is retaining some of the polarization with your JVC X30. With the JVC glasses you would most likely see a brighter 3D image if your screen retains polarization. As Zombie stated that is what makes the High Power screen so attractive for 3D viewing. It is high gain and retains very little polarization so it works with quite a few 3rd party glasses.

I did this as one of the first things :-) - yup - the picture gets brighter when I tilt my head - reverse was true when I tested the new JVC RF glasses, they got dimmer then I tilted my head.

Now the dilemma - keep these (I got 14 days return right) and live with dimmer pic, but save money or bite the bullet and get the real JVCs? :-(

I just downloaded the 24page manual for the emitter - I hope I can tweak them some more before I decided to return or not - but it does not look like that it is possible to change the polarization, just polarity :-(

I am using a screen that retains polarization very well - Da-Lite Cinema Vision 1.3 white.

Now - if I could just find RF glasses that use horizontal polarization.... :-)
Webmonkey's Avatar Webmonkey 08:06 AM 03-13-2013
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I don't think any of the aftermarket RF glasses have the correct polarization for the JVC. You may have to consider paying the extra $$ for the JVC glasses considering the screen material you are using.

That is a bummer.... I think I see slight crosstalk with these... :-(
zombie10k's Avatar zombie10k 11:04 AM 03-13-2013
it looks like Xpand is coming out with a new RF capable model:

XPAND X105-RF-X1 Rechargeable 3D RF/Bluetooth Glasses

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BFO4XSA/ref=asc_df_B00BFO4XSA2427068?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=dealt261924-20&linkCode=asn&creative=395093&creativeASIN=B00BFO4XSA

http://www.xpand.me/dms/document/dms/text/2013/02/06/14/45/14/manual-X105-RF-X1-xpand-email.pdf

a quick search claims support for Epson and JVC RF. I'd like the check these out when they are available.
walterappleby's Avatar walterappleby 11:47 AM 03-13-2013
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it looks like Xpand is coming out with a new RF capable model:

XPAND X105-RF-X1 Rechargeable 3D RF/Bluetooth Glasses

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BFO4XSA/ref=asc_df_B00BFO4XSA2427068?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=dealt261924-20&linkCode=asn&creative=395093&creativeASIN=B00BFO4XSA

http://www.xpand.me/dms/document/dms/text/2013/02/06/14/45/14/manual-X105-RF-X1-xpand-email.pdf

a quick search claims support for Epson and JVC RF. I'd like the check these out when they are available.

Do you think those are the same glasses as the below link? The "105" leads me to believe they might be.

If so, do you think the emitter would work with the port on the JVC X35/RS46?

From what I have heard Xpand is manufacturing the glasses for JVC (albeit with different polarization, vertical vs horizontal or vice versa). It would stand to reason that the emitter designed by Xpand might work with the JVC.

If you look here: http://www.fullhd3dglasses.com/index.php/licensee-list/ you'll see that JVC isn't on the Full HD 3D licensee list, but X6D (which is Xpand) is listed.


Is anyone here willing to try this out? A set of glasses AND an emitter for $70 would be a great deal I think.
zombie10k's Avatar zombie10k 12:31 PM 03-13-2013
They have different part #'s, I think these TV's have the Bluetooth emitter built in, I don't see it as being included with the glasses.

I saw a site claiming the new Xpand 105's would work with Epson and JVC RF.
walterappleby's Avatar walterappleby 01:02 PM 03-13-2013
The Amazon link I posted is for a pair of glasses and a Bluetooth RF emitter. My understanding it that the emitter is to be used with older TV's that don't have Bluetooth RF so that the X105BT glasses can be used.

If you just lookup the X105BT glasses by themselves there are references to them being compatible with Mitsubishi 842 TV's and further googling leads to this spec from the Mitsubishi site for the 842's "Full HD 3D Glasses™ RF Compatible"

We've confirmed in other posts that JVC is compatible with other "Full HD 3D RF" glasses...

So... by association this should work.

Right?
Jim Cutter's Avatar Jim Cutter 10:32 PM 03-13-2013
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True, but still just a 1/3 the cost of the JVC glasses.

Well I can get the JVC glasses for $129 so it's a wash money wise. If I could find the Panasonic glasses fro around $60 like some have said that would be nice.
zombie10k's Avatar zombie10k 07:32 AM 03-14-2013
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@ zombie10k and Joe Clark (OT I know) RE Mede8ter 600: The naming convention is xxxxxxxx.SBS.mkv or xxxxx.TB.mkv. Works as advertised with no problems.

Willie

thanks, this works perfect! The mediator is my favorite media player in years (i've had countless HTPC's, Popcorn hour A-110, C200, Himedia 900b, Mica EP950).

I'm converting the majority of my 3D movies over to the 3D MVC MKV format. I don't care much for the extras on the original disks and usually want to jump right into the movie. Full frame packed 3D + HD Audio + instant playback. Can't ask for much more.

kudos to this company for coming out with a solid device for such a cheap price. It works so well I can forgive that it looks like a George Forman grill... cool.gif
Joseph Clark's Avatar Joseph Clark 08:23 AM 03-14-2013
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thanks, this works perfect! The mediator is my favorite media player in years (i've had countless HTPC's, Popcorn hour A-110, C200, Himedia 900b, Mica EP950).

I'm converting the majority of my 3D movies over to the 3D MVC MKV format. I don't care much for the extras on the original disks and usually want to jump right into the movie. Full frame packed 3D + HD Audio + instant playback. Can't ask for much more.

kudos to this company for coming out with a solid device for such a cheap price. It works so well I can forgive that it looks like a George Forman grill... cool.gif

I don't even have the NFS issue sorted out yet and I still love this thing. Give the Mede8er a little time and I wonder what it WON'T be able to do. biggrin.gif
coderguy's Avatar coderguy 08:27 AM 03-14-2013
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thanks, this works perfect! The mediator is my favorite media player in years (i've had countless HTPC's, Popcorn hour A-110, C200, Himedia 900b, Mica EP950).

Sorry if already asked, but where do we get a good deal on it from (or where do we buy it from, link)?
zombie10k's Avatar zombie10k 08:43 AM 03-14-2013
This is where I got it from:

http://www.mediaconceptusa.com/mede8er.html

quick service delivery. I'm picking up a few of the 600x to replace my Micca 950's that are connected to other TV's in the house.

The 600x is identical to the 1000x except there is no room for an internal HD.
zombie10k's Avatar zombie10k 08:59 AM 03-14-2013
I just picked up a new pair of BenQ 3D glasses, they should be here in a few days. These support 120/144 projectors. I'm curious to see how well they block the red flash. The 2nd Gen BQ's were very comfortably but pretty bad at blocking the red flash.

let's see if they nailed it for the 3rd try.

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Toe's Avatar Toe 09:02 AM 03-14-2013
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I just picked up a new pair of BenQ 3D glasses, they should be here in a few days. These support 120/144 projectors. I'm curious to see how well they block the red flash. The 2nd Gen BQ's were very comfortably but pretty bad at blocking the red flash.

let's see if they nailed it for the 3rd try.

5J.J7K25.001.jpg

I am also curious to hear if they hold their sync better vs the TrueDepth and 201s.
wse's Avatar wse 10:26 AM 03-14-2013
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Originally Posted by phisch View PostTrue, but still just a 1/3 the cost of the JVC glasses.

I read a number of them are working on no glasses three D model, for me I care more about 4K or even better 8K with no lamp!


zombie10k's Avatar zombie10k 12:35 PM 03-14-2013
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I am also curious to hear if they hold their sync better vs the TrueDepth and 201s.

it's interesting they moved the receiver to the side, hopefully it will help. They look like a nice design, we'll see how they fit. I really like the BQ Gen2, it's a shame they couldn't block the red flash near enough for me to use them. It's very obvious in the right eye on this model.

the ZD201's are the benchmark, near flawless, but they are a little small for me and I can see the frames in my side vision.
Willie's Avatar Willie 04:22 AM 03-15-2013
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kudos to this company for coming out with a solid device for such a cheap price. It works so well I can forgive that it looks like a George Forman grill... cool.gif

Put it out of site and operate it with iRule IP. smile.gif
zombie10k's Avatar zombie10k 11:42 AM 03-15-2013
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I am also curious to hear if they hold their sync better vs the TrueDepth and 201s.

The glasses arrived sooner than I was expecting. They seem to fit well over my prescription glasses. I'll let you know how they perform later tonight.

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Toe's Avatar Toe 03:33 PM 03-15-2013
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The glasses arrived sooner than I was expecting. They seem to fit well over my prescription glasses. I'll let you know how they perform later tonight.

benq-glasses.jpg

Sounds good! Curious to hear how they perform.
wse's Avatar wse 05:02 PM 03-15-2013

3D makes me nauseated, no thank I want 4K or 8K any day


zombie10k's Avatar zombie10k 08:16 AM 03-16-2013
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Sounds good! Curious to hear how they perform.

I spent several hours testing out the glasses shown below, the BQ 1st, 2nd and 3rd gen + the Optoma ZD 201's.

This is a short review. I don't know how they did it, but BQ has significantly increased the ability to stay locked onto the DLP signal. It's day / night difference vs. the ZD201's. It looks like they built in a timer of some kind because you can hold your finger over the receiver and the glasses won't lose sync for a good 5 seconds. it's like a buffer.

I did all the tests where I could easily lose sync on the ZD201's yet the BQ 3rd gen stayed locked with no issues, I had to really go out of my way to get it to lose sync. (turn head completely to the side for 10+ seconds).

Also they are very good at blocking the red flash, much better than the 1st and 2nd gen models and nearly on par with the ZD201's. My only complaint is that they are too tight. The arms that wrap around the eyes are in my opinion too angled so they dig into my head behind the ears. I think I am going to take a hairdryer and heat up the plastic to bend them out a bit. it won't take much to get them to fit right if I do this.

These are highly recommended to try out for the BQ W7000 and the 1070.

DLP-glasses.jpg
Toe's Avatar Toe 10:09 AM 03-16-2013
Wow! No kidding? That is great news Zombie and I am definitely going to order a pair. Thanks for the report and I am excited to use these. smile.gif
Jim Cutter's Avatar Jim Cutter 10:53 PM 03-16-2013
Are these universal glasses that will work with the JVC too?
zombie10k's Avatar zombie10k 07:56 AM 03-17-2013
These are specifically designed for use with DLP projectors. DLP models that use 'DLP-LINK' encode a red or white signal into the image which activates the glasses.

There are several different types of glasses you'll read about. DLP-Link, IR and RF. Some of the TV's use bluetooth although I don't recall any projectors yet that use this.

There are a handful of universal models that can work between the various models such as the Monster Vision 3D and Xpand 104 universal glasses (neither work with DLP-Link though).
plissken99's Avatar plissken99 02:23 PM 03-17-2013
Are there any child size 3D glasses that will work with the JVC RF emitter? Got a 4year old nephew, The Hobbit would be great for him! Also Zombie, have you tried the Samsung glasses yet?
Chad C's Avatar Chad C 04:09 PM 03-17-2013
I got 2 sets of these: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-SSG-4100GB-Active-Glasses-Models/dp/B007K9P7H0/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=2TKRI2LXJ4UHH&coliid=I270304R655QCA and they work with the new JVC RF emitter. I really didn't want my 7 and 9 year old nephews using my JVC glasses and had gotten those with a little new 40 Samsung tv I purchased for our upstairs and they paired and worked like a charm.

Hope this helps.
Jim Cutter's Avatar Jim Cutter 11:31 PM 03-17-2013
I bought 6 pair of the Samsung 4100 glasses for my daughters & their friends. I will get my wife & I a nicer set, just don't know what yet. They were only $18 a pair on Amazon with free shipping. smile.gif
alebonau's Avatar alebonau 04:29 AM 03-18-2013
finally got to see bbars x75 in action for 3D. thanks bbar for the opportunity. had to take my bd player to him so he could play region b blurays though hehe

we watched art of flight in 3D. good punch to the pic good detail and clarity. a few questions though for regular 3D watchers though as bbar detests 3D and probably no help with any of this ! .

it took a while to line up 3D on the PJ. perhaps this is because bbar doesnt have auto detect on 3D turned on ?. and had to go manual selection of 3D and then manual selection of colour profile preset and manually bump up the brightness. also RF 3D glasses in my case refused to synch - bbar said have to take it behind the pj for it to synch?. budd sitting next to me and ageless behind didnt have that issue. PQ wise noticed a couple of things there was a distinct ghosting/crosstalk ie the ghost line that followed the snow capped mountains and skier as went down the slopes. noticed a touch of blur as well. Additionally bbar definitely hasnt calibrated the 3D as there was a bit of red push and oversaturation in the colurs. I just would have thought the calibration for 2D caries over to 3D with auto adjustment compensating for tint and brightness ?

please dont some one read this as derogatory as picture quality was very good overall and 2D when we swapped to excellent. just some question marks, kind of stuff I'll have to check off on for jvc to be contender for me late in the year when hoping to do an upgrade

ps am reposting here incase some more jvc 3D watchers here which seem a bit of a rarity over at my home forum smile.gif
zombie10k's Avatar zombie10k 09:33 AM 03-18-2013
Were you watching Art of Flight with the built in 2D -> 3D conversion? The true 3D version isn't due out for a while.

the built in processing will look average at best. Did you try it with any native 3D blurays? The RF signal shouldn't be an issue to lock on, perhaps the glasses had a weak charge.

The JVC's do not automatically select the correct color profile when 3D mode is engaged, you have to manually select the correct profile. When choosing the 3D mode, I would change the color profile from 3D to natural. It's way over-saturated with the default settings.

The new JVC's can definitely benefit from a calibration in 3D (with the glasses behind the meter) since the dE's are relatively high with the out of the box settings.
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