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Though I still can't find out how to do ECO mode, we just watched OZ on the Sony HW50ES and I literally smiled I was so happy with the picture that Sony put out. Gorgeous!

SOOO happy I chose this projector.
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Oddly the HC5 shoot-out is taking longer time to come out than any projector before it. I take it you're not happy with it, Zombie?
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Oddly the HC5 shoot-out is taking longer time to come out than any projector before it. I take it you're not happy with it, Zombie?

After some time to think about it, I've come to the conclusion that a refurb (cheaper than the HC5) RS40 and RS45 is a better value. After seeing for myself (and reading about other experiences) about bright corner issues, issues with the iris, a softer picture, and some quirky issues with the software I think the low end JVC stands for better picture quality and a better value at the present price it's being offered at.
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80 ms lag of JVCs kills it for me for HTPC use.
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I need a hdmi switch 1in 4out for a dual projector setup having trouble finding one that will pass 3d consistantly passing hd audio would be nice plus.tried 3 different ones already tired of sending them back. Know sone in here use dual projector setup was wondering what u were using
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Jason can you please suggest me something for these 3 settings? (bluray and 1080p mkv content)

1- Really Creation > Noise Reduction
2- Expert Menu> NR
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Jason can you please suggest me something for these 3 settings? (bluray and 1080p mkv content)

1- Really Creation > Noise Reduction
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hi, you really have to experiment with these settings to find out what is reasonable for your viewing preferences. Any of those changes will come down to personal preferences.
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I need a hdmi switch 1in 4out for a dual projector setup having trouble finding one that will pass 3d consistantly passing hd audio would be nice plus.tried 3 different ones already tired of sending them back. Know sone in here use dual projector setup was wondering what u were using

did you try the monoprice model?

http://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-Powered-HDMI-Splitter-support/dp/B005E2XM8G/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1373519898&sr=1-2&keywords=monoprice+3d+splitter

I used this a few times and it seems relatively well behaved. I currently use my Denon 4311 which has the dual outputs, so I no longer use the splitter.
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Thanks i see they have a 1x 4 version i will give it a try do u have any ideal if this will pass hd audio
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Thanks i see they have a 1x 4 version i will give it a try do u have any ideal if this will pass hd audio

the 1x2 model I have passes HD audio,. If it passed 3D, it will pass HD as well. it's cheap enough to give it a try.
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Off topic, but...

As part of my remodel, I'm looking for a device that senses when my projector goes on and automatically triggers a fan to exhaust hot air from the projector enclosure into my basement. I think these devices exist, but I can't recall the name. Anyone?

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Off topic, but...

As part of my remodel, I'm looking for a device that senses when my projector goes on and automatically triggers a fan to exhaust hot air from the projector enclosure into my basement. I think these devices exist, but I can't recall the name. Anyone?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AV-Cabinet-12-volt-trigger-controlled-dual-fan-cooling-system-Home-Theater-/360423859434

Check that out. Basically you'd set your 12 volt trigger to kick that on when the projector starts up.
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Off topic, but...

As part of my remodel, I'm looking for a device that senses when my projector goes on and automatically triggers a fan to exhaust hot air from the projector enclosure into my basement. I think these devices exist, but I can't recall the name. Anyone?

If you are talking 120 volt, then all you need is a smart strip: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_0_11?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=smart%20strip&sprefix=smart+strip%2Ctools%2C231

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Thanks, guys. Once I hit on the proper Google search term, I found the Smart Strip. That's what I need. I lucked out, in that I'll be able to "hide" the projector in an odd space so as to isolate it from the rest of the house. The heat and noise will vent into the basement.

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Be aware that if you base the fan operation solely off of the projector's power status then your cooling fan will shut off when the projector goes off but while there is still significant lingering heat. It may be better to have the fan run based on temperature so that you can ensure the fan gets all the desired heat out before it stops.

If you are interested this is pretty easy to do with a basic thermostat, a couple of 12v computer fans and a 12v wall wart power supply.

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Thanks, guys. I"m sending you a PM, Walter.

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So i got to check out an HW30 in a local Best Buy. The picture was on Cinema 1, motionflow off. However I still noticed a bit of the unnatural motion that made me realize I was watching a movie, for lack of a better way to put it.

Is that what everyone means when they say the DLP feel? That DLP feels more cinematic and the motion is smoother? Other than that, the picture was phenomenal. And the effect I'm talking about was better on the Sony than it was on the Epson 5020 that I've seen. But I still felt that something was lacking when I was watching it in terms of motion.

Is there really no DLP in the same price range that can compete? Why have manufacturers gone to the 2 extremes when it comes to DLP?

And is the HW50 pretty similar to the HW30 in this regard? And again, what DLP can I look at to compare?

Waiting til CEDIA, and then waiting another 2-3 months is probably not an option. The room will be ready by the end of this week at the latest. If there is nothing else that is at least as bright as the Sony, but DLP, I am willing to sacrifice some black level.

I will be using a firehawk screen, 110", 13.5-14' throw, 15' viewing 14' viewing distance.

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Make sure you're sending the HW30ES a 24p signal. If you're sending the movie at 60hz this could be why you're seeing some odd motion issues. While DLP does have an edge with motion, Sony's newer SXRD projectors (including this model) are about as good as it gets for motion when it comes to digital projection for a non-DLP projector. If you are indeed sending a 24p signal and still don't like the motion handling a DLP projector could definitely be a worthwhile upgrade for you. I would take a look at the Sharp XV-Z30000. it's the only one I'd recommend at or around the 30ES's price range. For better performance you'd need to spend at least double in the world of DLP projectors. It's either that or you could look at a used DLP projector. There have been a lot of really good deals on high end DLP models as of late that would look a lot nicer than the Sharp model I've mentioned. If you're the cautious type and need the security of a manufacturer's warranty stick with the Sharp XV-Z30000.
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Make sure you're sending the HW30ES a 24p signal. If you're sending the movie at 60hz this could be why you're seeing some odd motion issues. While DLP does have an edge with motion, Sony's newer SXRD projectors (including this model) are about as good as it gets for motion when it comes to digital projection for a non-DLP projector. If you are indeed sending a 24p signal and still don't like the motion handling a DLP projector could definitely be a worthwhile upgrade for you. I would take a look at the Sharp XV-Z30000. it's the only one I'd recommend at or around the 30ES's price range. For better performance you'd need to spend at least double in the world of DLP projectors. It's either that or you could look at a used DLP projector. There have been a lot of really good deals on high end DLP models as of late that would look a lot nicer than the Sharp model I've mentioned. If you're the cautious type and need the security of a manufacturer's warranty stick with the Sharp XV-Z30000.

Thanks for the info. This was at best buy and I doubt they did anything to change the settings. That does make me feel better about the Sony though. Its my top choice, especially since I want to be able to game on it.

Hopefully it ships soon so its set up and I stop thinking about which projector to buy and just enjoy it!

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I had the HW30 for a year and demo'd a number of HW50's for calibration. It sounds like a bad feed you saw on that particular projector.

it's all good, I'm sure you'll enjoy it when you get it setup.
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Best Buy and Magnolia are crap at setting up projectors. I saw the hw30 there too a long time ago, and guess what ---- noise ridden flickery HDMI synch mess. It would hold the signal for 5 seconds and then keep reverting. So yah, don't worry about it, Magnolia and Best Buy are SUCK---ERS...


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I saw one too at Best Buy. I think they are trying their best to discourage people from buying a projector
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lol well that is definitely good to know.

its unfortunate I have not been able to find any stores or shops within 20+ miles of me to have the projector on display. I think its more psychological than anything, in that it makes it much easier to drop a bunch of money on something you've actually seen in person.

The picture quality of the HW30 was great otherwise, though, and the colors looked very spot on for an uncalibrated projector. It was also reasonably bright considering its mode and the fact that the lamp needed to be replaced, so all in all I think the HW50 will be perfect. Good to know the motion issues shouldn't be a problem.

Time to look for a blu-ray player (I've been using my PS3; I figure I should upgrade eventually smile.gif)

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Zombie10k,

Thank you for all of your efforts in this remarkable shootout thread. I would really appreciate your thoughts on my best projector option. I currently have a JVC RS10, which I purchased from AVS in February of 2010. As too many owners here have experienced, it too has developed the dreaded magenta stripe issue. This has been an absolutely great projector until now, but since JVC will neither acknowledge this issue,or take any action on it, and there appears to be no affordable/sensible repair option, I am left in a position to have to unexpectedly replace it. Equally unfortunately, my financial budget has been seriously impacted by an upcoming outsourcing at work, so I cannot spend any more than $2-3k, maximum, with the closer it's possible to get to the lower number, the better. In a perfect world, the Sony HW50 would be great, based on reviews and comments, but I have no means of going to $4k.This simply all happened at the worst possible time. I had planned to stick with the RS10 for several more years until the 4k standard was nailed down, and reasonably priced models appeared. I never expected the RS10 to fail me at only 1600 hours.


My real fear is I will likely have no choice but to accept something that will, from the time I first unbox it and get it properly set up, forever disappoint me with it's picture quality in comparison to my RS10, given what I can afford at present. Any thoughts or recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Also, I have no interest in 3D, so the 2D picture quality is my only concern. As far as my room, my seating is 13.5 feet from a 110 inch screen. My projector is mounted on a custom built shelf on the other side of the wall of the home theater, 14 feet from the screen. The projector projects through the wall opening as it does in theaters. Thanks, very much, for any help.


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A new review of JVC X35 is up on ixbt.com.
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I would really appreciate your thoughts on my best projector option. I currently have a JVC RS10, which I purchased from AVS in February of 2010.

I'm not Zombie, but your question is easy. I'll tell you that the x35 / RS-46 is the best one for you in that price range to replace an RS-10. You can get it well under $3000. You could try to get a B-Stock RS-46, but the RS-45 B-Stocks are easier to find I think, but the RS-45's are not as good as the RS-46's because of the improved lamps.


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Zombie10k,

Thank you for all of your efforts in this remarkable shootout thread. I would really appreciate your thoughts on my best projector option. I currently have a JVC RS10, which I purchased from AVS in February of 2010. As too many owners here have experienced, it too has developed the dreaded magenta stripe issue. This has been an absolutely great projector until now, but since JVC will neither acknowledge this issue,or take any action on it, and there appears to be no affordable/sensible repair option, I am left in a position to have to unexpectedly replace it. Equally unfortunately, my financial budget has been seriously impacted by an upcoming outsourcing at work, so I cannot spend any more than $2-3k, maximum, with the closer it's possible to get to the lower number, the better. In a perfect world, the Sony HW50 would be great, based on reviews and comments, but I have no means of going to $4k.This simply all happened at the worst possible time. I had planned to stick with the RS10 for several more years until the 4k standard was nailed down, and reasonably priced models appeared. I never expected the RS10 to fail me at only 1600 hours.


My real fear is I will likely have no choice but to accept something that will, from the time I first unbox it and get it properly set up, forever disappoint me with it's picture quality in comparison to my RS10, given what I can afford at present. Any thoughts or recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Also, I have no interest in 3D, so the 2D picture quality is my only concern. As far as my room, my seating is 13.5 feet from a 110 inch screen. My projector is mounted on a custom built shelf on the other side of the wall of the home theater, 14 feet from the screen. The projector projects through the wall opening as it does in theaters. Thanks, very much, for any help.


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I'm not Zombie, but your question is easy. I'll tell you that the x35 / RS-46 is the best one for you in that price range to replace an RS-10. You can get it well under $3000. You could try to get a B-Stock RS-46, but the RS-45 B-Stocks are easier to find I think, but the RS-45's are not as good as the RS-46's because of the improved lamps.

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Thank you for all of your efforts in this remarkable shootout thread. I would really appreciate your thoughts on my best projector option. I currently have a JVC RS10, which I purchased from AVS in February of 2010. As too many owners here have experienced, it too has developed the dreaded magenta stripe issue. This has been an absolutely great projector until now, but since JVC will neither acknowledge this issue,or take any action on it, and there appears to be no affordable/sensible repair option, I am left in a position to have to unexpectedly replace it. Equally unfortunately, my financial budget has been seriously impacted by an upcoming outsourcing at work, so I cannot spend any more than $2-3k, maximum, with the closer it's possible to get to the lower number, the better. In a perfect world, the Sony HW50 would be great, based on reviews and comments, but I have no means of going to $4k.This simply all happened at the worst possible time. I had planned to stick with the RS10 for several more years until the 4k standard was nailed down, and reasonably priced models appeared. I never expected the RS10 to fail me at only 1600 hours.


My real fear is I will likely have no choice but to accept something that will, from the time I first unbox it and get it properly set up, forever disappoint me with it's picture quality in comparison to my RS10, given what I can afford at present. Any thoughts or recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Also, I have no interest in 3D, so the 2D picture quality is my only concern. As far as my room, my seating is 13.5 feet from a 110 inch screen. My projector is mounted on a custom built shelf on the other side of the wall of the home theater, 14 feet from the screen. The projector projects through the wall opening as it does in theaters. Thanks, very much, for any help.

John

I read your other thread regarding the issues with the RS10, it looks like the pink strip can follow the JVC models from the RS10 through the RS35. some speculated there was some kind of adhesive that was coming apart in the optical block which lead to the issue. sorry to hear, I can see why folks with this issue would be upset, especially with only 1600 hours.

This issue has not happened on the JVC's starting with the RS40 model which was a completely re-designed chassis. If you're on a tight budget, you can find great deals for the older RS40 model and RS45. Also, The current RS46 price is hard to beat for it's excellent 2D PQ.
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