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Kris.The sliders are not broken. They were simply not made operational. This is probably a good thing because as of now there are so many set up parameters, that optimization of everything is next to impossible and would only become more complex with additional variables. Most wouldn't have a clue as to how they should be set, the manual won't help, and everyone will simply be asking those that think they know but who are likely as equally clueless what they are using. besides, by making them inoperable this year, they claim operationality as a new feature next year. Most seriously. smile.gifsmile.gif

Why does mine work? Possible that it does not work probably but see differences positive in image I can show it by pictures, or do I miss out something here?
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Again it works, it is just more on and off, you can't adjust the different values. So you can turn MPC off and on, but you can't fine tune it.

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Again it works, it is just more on and off, you can't adjust the different values. So you can turn MPC off and on, but you can't fine tune it.

When I turn everything to zero I can see clearly that it getting better when turning up one at the time.
Do I misunderstand here?
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Not sure what to say. JVC confirms the issue but evidently you scored the one projector that seems to be "different". Maybe you also scored the only Sony 500ES that doesn't have the problems I saw too!!!! wink.gif

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it depends on how critical you are w/ x-talk and flicker performance. I am sensitive to both. The Sony's perform well with x-talk if the glasses brightness is turned to normal. The problem with the Sony's is that their 3D brightness is quite a bit lower than their ability to light up a large, low gain screen in 2D. The JVC's obviously have great contrast in 3D, but the x-talk is still there with tough 3D content. definitely better than the previous years, but imo they aren't there yet.

the other issue I have is flicker which is usually not a topic of conversation. The DLP's are rock solid in this regard whereas the Sony and JVC's can put a bit of strain on the eyes for those sensitive to refresh rates. in other words, when watching 3D on the Sony and JVC, I am always aware of something that isn't quite solid in the image. The cheap Sharp 30K by comparison is like watching 2D, very easy on my eyes.

The Lumis 3D is going to be the holy grail of 3D projectors. I'll take 2.
Clair holy grail for 3D
I love the 3D also on the Sony vw1000 I have, but it was just a short periods of time.
Now I prefers 2D
And my X500 no emitter I just tried it for a weekend watched 20 minutes of 3D,
Looked freaky god that also. And it's a minor prize difference here to the sim lumis3D s
Out of my range.
The good thing with the jvc is that you get the feeling of black also in 3D.
That is a +
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Not sure what to say. JVC confirms the issue but evidently you scored the one projector that seems to be "different". Maybe you also scored the only Sony 500ES that doesn't have the problems I saw too!!!! wink.gif

Hehe the VW500 was a test PJ for a magazine here in Norway. And I have a friend with a vw500 from japan.
And the AVshop in Norway have the third vw500 I have seen. All of them are ok, but I'm shore there some doas out there.

And about the JVC, so that it works on just my jvc dobt that.
I got the first out of 5 to Norway that went back to England for a update on the HDMI handshake problem.
But I also feel that from 50 and higher very small improvements. But from 20 and up to 50 much happens.
Then from soft to much more dynamic and sharpness.
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For a light coloured living room, with a ReAct grey screen, 130 ins diagonal, is an X500 a bad choice?

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Not sure what to say. JVC confirms the issue but evidently you scored the one projector that seems to be "different". Maybe you also scored the only Sony 500ES that doesn't have the problems I saw too!!!! wink.gif

So after what you say, is it in x500 and x700 series?

Do you want me to take some pictures of it so you see it?
It should not be any problem to catch improvements in picture.
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For a light coloured living room, with a ReAct grey screen, 130 ins diagonal, is an X500 a bad choice?

It's a fantastic machine, take a sony HW55 also a great machine and sheep compared. And much more light.
And if you want to improve it more get a supernova or the new black diamond screen.
I have the supernova core 2, have not seen the black diamond but have heard its as god or better.
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When does Sony announce their 2015 models?

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When does Sony announce their 2015 models?

On IFA Sony always show there new stuff there.
And maybe some other place I think Europe hehe.
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It's a fantastic machine, take a sony HW55 also a great machine and sheep compared. And much more light.
And if you want to improve it more get a supernova or the new black diamond screen.
I have the supernova core 2, have not seen the black diamond but have heard its as god or better.

I need lens memory though, so that would rule out the Sony. I have an Epson 8100 at the mo, so used to having a lot of light. But i think sometimes too much light is a bad thing in a light coloured room?

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I need lens memory though, so that would rule out the Sony. I have an Epson 8100 at the mo, so used to having a lot of light. But i think sometimes too much light is a bad thing in a light coloured room?

In a light colored room you will take away one of the JVC best parts of picturequality namely the very low blacklevel. In a light colored room the HW55 will be a better choise, but if you need lens memory you really have no choise in this pricerange as JVC X500 is the only one that has it.smile.gif
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In a light colored room you will take away one of the JVC best parts of picturequality namely the very low blacklevel.
If there isn't lighting other than the projector the light colored room will reduce system ANSI CR and thus reduce the number of scenes where the JVC high on/off CR can show its thing, but the JVC will still provide high system on/off CR with very low absolute black level and there are scenes where this will matter. If somebody feels that the only place where the high on/off CR of the JVC really matters is with scenes with little light then there isn't much light to bounce around the room for those scenes and wash out the picture, even in a light colored room.

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I need lens memory though, so that would rule out the Sony. I have an Epson 8100 at the mo, so used to having a lot of light. But i think sometimes too much light is a bad thing in a light coloured room?

Then the HW55 bad idea hehe then about the lens memory.
I do not know your price limit but vw500 perfect.
And you wash out allot of dynamic in that sort of room. Then also with less light, but you can use it in high lamp
Maybe wait and se what comes out from JVC or Sony this year. Just a hint

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In a light colored room you will take away one of the JVC best parts of picturequality namely the very low blacklevel. In a light colored room the HW55 will be a better choise, but if you need lens memory you really have no choise in this pricerange as JVC X500 is the only one that has it.smile.gif

Unless I could bump up to the Sony VW500? Would you imagine this might be worth 50% more in my room environment?

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If there isn't lighting other than the projector the light colored room will reduce system ANSI CR and thus reduce the number of scenes where the JVC high on/off CR can show its thing, but the JVC will still have the very low absolute black level and there are scenes where this will matter. If somebody feels that the only place where the high on/off CR of the JVC really matters is with scenes with little light then there isn't much light to bounce around the room for those scenes and wash out the picture, even in a light colored room.

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Ah, you mean, a darker scene will have less reflections anyway, and thus would show off the better blacks anyway in a darker scene?

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If there isn't lighting other than the projector the light colored room will reduce system ANSI CR and thus reduce the number of scenes where the JVC high on/off CR can show its thing, but the JVC will still provide high system on/off CR with very low absolute black level and there are scenes where this will matter. If somebody feels that the only place where the high on/off CR of the JVC really matters is with scenes with little light then there isn't much light to bounce around the room for those scenes and wash out the picture, even in a light colored room.

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I know this and I thougt he might use some lights in his room. Sorry!smile.gif

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Unless I could bump up to the Sony VW500? Would you imagine this might be worth 50% more in my room environment?
Ah, you mean, a darker scene will have less reflections anyway, and thus would show off the better blacks anyway in a darker scene?

No, I dont think the VW500 would be the best choise in your room enviroment when we take price in concideration, if you only have light colored wall and all lights off and no external light the X500 will be a good choise, I would use a screen like the dnp Supernova 08-85 or Black Diamond 0.8 to get the best result in this room. And with therse screens you could also leave some ambiant light on when watching spors and stuff without compromizing the picturequality much. Movies with darker scenes you must turn all lights off even with theses screen to get the best results.
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Why does mine work? Possible that it does not work probably but see differences positive in image I can show it by pictures, or do I miss out something here?

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Again it works, it is just more on and off, you can't adjust the different values. So you can turn MPC off and on, but you can't fine tune it.
Could it be we're talking about 2 different projectors? Kris is referring to the x700 and the sliders do not work. I'm of the opinion (could be wrong) that the sliders work on the x500....??

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Could it be we're talking about 2 different projectors? Kris is referring to the x700 and the sliders do not work. I'm of the opinion (could be wrong) that the sliders work on the x500....??

That was was my thought also.

Asked Kris this: So after what you say, is it in x500 and x700 series?
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No, I dont think the VW500 would be the best choise in your room enviroment when we take price in concideration, if you only have light colored wall and all lights off and no external light the X500 will be a good choise, I would use a screen like the dnp Supernova 08-85 or Black Diamond 0.8 to get the best result in this room. And with therse screens you could also leave some ambiant light on when watching spors and stuff without compromizing the picturequality much. Movies with darker scenes you must turn all lights off even with theses screen to get the best results.

Yep, all lights are usually off.

I'm using a Draper ReAct 2.1, which is a 1.0 gain screen actually as far as I can make out - not as perfect as a Black Diamond, but price is a bit better, though still expensive by the standard of white screens, just over € 3k , so I hope it will be adequate. Its already on the way, so I can't change...........

The only reason you would say to avoid the Sony is the price I assume?

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Could it be we're talking about 2 different projectors? Kris is referring to the x700 and the sliders do not work. I'm of the opinion (could be wrong) that the sliders work on the x500....??

My X500/RS49 sliders doesn't work
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I was under the impression it was with all this year's models, but I've only tested it on the X700.

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Okay thanks. Not sure where I got the idea they were okay with the x500 but thanks for the clarification!

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Okay thanks. Not sure where I got the idea they were okay with the x500 but thanks for the clarification!

Maybe because I got one that the sliders work. Hehe
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It's a fantastic machine, take a sony HW55 also a great machine and sheep compared. And much more light.
And if you want to improve it more get a supernova or the new black diamond screen.
I have the supernova core 2, have not seen the black diamond but have heard its as god or better.

The BD should not even be compared to dnp, IMO. There's so many sparklies and sheen in the BD that it looks like the 4th of July with the projector on. Same goes for all the other ambient light screen samples I've tested. Nothing even comes close to the quality of the dnp. I ended up going with the dnp HG23 (2.3 gain) material. Wide viewing angles and almost no sheen or sparklies, perfect for a multi-purpose living room / theater room.

I would've loved the dnp 08-85 (.8 gain) material, but it requires a much brighter projector than my X700 to really make it shine.

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In a light colored room you will take away one of the JVC best parts of picturequality namely the very low blacklevel. In a light colored room the HW55 will be a better choise, but if you need lens memory you really have no choise in this pricerange as JVC X500 is the only one that has it.smile.gif

I have a light colored room and sold my Sony HW55 due to the horrible black levels. Got a JVC X700 and couldn't be happier...unless I had a 120" OLED. cool.gif

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The BD should not even be compared to dnp, IMO. There's so many sparklies and sheen in the BD that it looks like the 4th of July with the projector on. Same goes for all the other ambient light screen samples I've tested. Nothing even comes close to the quality of the dnp. I ended up going with the dnp HG23 (2.3 gain) material. Wide viewing angles and almost no sheen or sparklies, perfect for a multi-purpose living room / theater room.

I would've loved the dnp 08-85 (.8 gain) material, but it requires a much brighter projector than my X700 to really make it shine.
Even the new with the new paint powder like I said have not seen it.?
Not the old one but a new type.
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Re the sliders. Perhaps there problems with the initial release and JVC decided to shut the sliders off in future shipments until the problem was solved rather than have a million bitches and pressure for an immediate fix? Anybody have a better guess.

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Even the new with the new paint powder like I said have not seen it.?
Not the old one but a new type.

Screen Innovations sent me samples last October or November 2013. So whatever those are, stay away if you're sensitive to sparklies and sheen. Here is a list of screen samples I have tested. Every single ambient light rejecting screen sample, minus the dnp samples, ALL showed pretty much the same thing...sparklies, sheen, and/or poor viewing angles. I require an ambient light rejecting screen that can be viewed out to 70-80 degrees both sides of center and doesn't sparkle and/or shimmer and dnp was the only screen that fit the bill. I like the 08-85 from straight on, but with the light output of the X700 it dims too much when viewed off-axis, that's why I have to go with the HG23. dnp recommends a 3800 lumen projector for the 08-85 material in 120" diagonal size, 1300 lumens for the HG23 (formerly 23-23) link to dnp's recommendation page.

If I were going to get an all white screen, it would definitely be the Stewart ST100. It was the only white screen that didn't shimmer or sparkle at all.

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Black Diamond (1.4 gain)
Black Diamond (2.7 gain)
Slate (1.2 gain)
Pure Grey (.85 gain)
Pure White (1.3 gain)

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Firehawk G3 (1.25 gain)
Firehawk G4 (1.1 gain)
Firehawk SST (1.1 gain)
Tiburon (.95 gain)
Grayhawk RS G3 (.9 gain)
GrayMatte 70 (.7 gain)
StudioTek 130 G3 (1.3 gain)
Cima NEVE (1.1 gain)
StudioTek 100 formerly named SnoMatte 100 (1.0 gain)

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JKP HD Progressive (1.3 gain)
High Power (2.4 gain)

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Polar Star (1.8 gain)
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