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My screen is a 105" wide 2.35 Seymour AV Center Stage XD retractable. Anybody know it it's polarized or not? I still have to get a 3D Blu-Ray player as well. Thinking the Oppo 103D?
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I have 4 pair that just arrived today, I'll check them out on the various projectors I have here.

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Do they Work with the 1100 ?

( here I Cant ordrer Them, they Will not ship to my country )


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Do they Work with the 1100 ?

( here I Cant ordrer Them, they Will not ship to my country )


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DJ, hi they do work with the 1100 but it required the RJ45 -> 3 PIN Sony cable. A fellow member on the HW55 forum posted a way to directly wire the RF adapter into the Sony's RJ45 connection.


link ->> http://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-digital-hi-end-projectors-3-000-usd-msrp/1499280-owners-thread-sony-hw55es-40.html#post24780714


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I had a chance to look at the Xpand 'Mitsubishi' glasses last night vs the RF105. From everything I can tell, they appear to be identical. The included RF transmitter also appears to be the same as the RF-X1. which.... makes that a heck of a bargain.

I tested the transmitter on the VW1100 and the JVC RS55 which isn't exactly a great performer in 3D. I was surprised how well they worked on the RS55. There is still some x-talk in tough scenes but in general it looked better than I remember with the JVC glasses / transmitter. I was watching Man of Steel 3D and didn't see any obvious x-talk.

Including in the photo are also the Epson RF glasses and the Sony RF glasses that were released for the VW500/600. I think the color tint on the Xpand glasses are more neutral than the Sony RF glasses. The Epson glasses worked perfect.








This RF transmitter is a great solution for adding various RF glasses to a 3D projector. It's a shame the Optoma/Monster glasses are using a proprietary RF setup, it would be nice to use all the glasses with 1 transmitter. I'll have to try the Xpand RF and Optoma RF transmitters at the same time using this cable I made a few years ago. it should work perfect.

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I had a chance to look at the Xpand 'Mitsubishi' glasses last night vs the RF105. From everything I can tell, they appear to be identical. The included RF transmitter also appears to be the same as the RF-X1. which.... makes that a heck of a bargain.

I tested the transmitter on the VW1100 and the JVC RS55 which isn't exactly a great performer in 3D. I was surprised how well they worked on the RS55. There is still some x-talk in tough scenes but in general it looked better than I remember with the JVC glasses / transmitter. I was watching Man of Steel 3D and didn't see any obvious x-talk.

Including in the photo are also the Epson RF glasses and the Sony RF glasses that were released for the VW500/600. I think the color tint on the Xpand glasses are more neutral than the Sony RF glasses. The Epson glasses worked perfect.








This RF transmitter is a great solution for adding various RF glasses to a 3D projector. It's a shame the Optoma/Monster glasses are using a proprietary RF setup, it would be nice to use all the glasses with 1 transmitter. I'll have to try the Xpand RF and Optoma RF transmitters at the same time using this cable I made a few years ago. it should work perfect.

Thanks to you I made the dual cable a few years ago when I had the RS45. I tested these Xpand glasses on the RS4910 with both the JVC and Xpand emitter.
I also tried Dimensional Optics Value glasses with the Xpand emitter and they work great. My old Monster glasses work with their special emitter but I like the Xpand ones much more. I just have to adjust the arms with a little heat. I also tried these Mitsubshi Xpand glasses with the JVC RF emitter and they work but I did notice some ghosting. The included Xpand emitter works much better. We really appreciated you reviews and comments. If anyone is interested in getting these glasses at this amazing bargain price of $18.99 I would suggest acting fast since they are closeouts and we have no idea of how many are still available.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

If you get a Sears link instead of Amazon link search directly. There is a Redirect going around called Vig-Link which takes you to other sites for money.

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Well, for $19 I figured these were worth a try with my Lumis 3D-S.


I can get them to work with DirecTV 3D, but not with 3D Blu-ray.
I am guessing 144Hz is not working.
The manual that came with the glasses/emitter states: "Refresh: 96Hz to 144Hz"
I am wondering if it is the emitter, the glasses, or both.
Also does not work with the Xpand IR emitter which comes with the Lumis, but that is not a shock.


The glasses also work with the Samsung LCD I have in my office, so I will at least have some use for them.


Anyone get these Mitsubishi glasses working at 144Hz? Any thoughts if a different emitter would work?
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The easy way to test if your screen maintains polarization is to rotate the glasses. If the brightness doesn't change, you're good to go with just about any type of active glasses. For instance, my HP doesn't maintain any polarization at all, so rotating the glasses has no effect. When I had the JVC RS40/45, I could use the JVC or the Xpand 103 glasses. The JVC glasses had the opposite polarization, but it didn't make any difference.
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Well, for $19 I figured these were worth a try with my Lumis 3D-S.


I can get them to work with DirecTV 3D, but not with 3D Blu-ray.
I am guessing 144Hz is not working.
The manual that came with the glasses/emitter states: "Refresh: 96Hz to 144Hz"
I am wondering if it is the emitter, the glasses, or both.
Also does not work with the Xpand IR emitter which comes with the Lumis, but that is not a shock.


The glasses also work with the Samsung LCD I have in my office, so I will at least have some use for them.


Anyone get these Mitsubishi glasses working at 144Hz? Any thoughts if a different emitter would work?
These glasses will only work with ACTIVE 3D systems that use the recent universal standard. They will not work with DLP Link
I am wondering if there is a setting in your Blu-Ray player that might be off. What Blu-Ray player are you using. I would also check to be sure you have the projector set for frame packing (FP) that could be it. If your projector has a vesa port they should work.
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These glasses will only work with ACTIVE 3D systems that use the recent universal standard. They will not work with DLP Link
I am wondering if there is a setting in your Blu-Ray player that might be off. What Blu-Ray player are you using. I would also check to be sure you have the projector set for frame packing (FP) that could be it. If your projector has a vesa port they should work.
The Sim2 is active. Mine came with the earlier Xpand X103 IR version. The newer models use the Xpand X105 RF models. As I stated, the Mitsubishi glasses and emitter work for DirecTV 3D, which I am assuming is some multiple of 60Hz. 3D Blu-ray works as triple flash 144Hz, which does not work with this particular glasses/emitter pair. By the way, I also have the Optoma/Bit Cauldron kit which works fine with the Sim2.
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The Sim2 is active. Mine came with the earlier Xpand X103 IR version. The newer models use the Xpand X105 RF models. As I stated, the Mitsubishi glasses and emitter work for DirecTV 3D, which I am assuming is some multiple of 60Hz. 3D Blu-ray works as triple flash 144Hz, which does not work with this particular glasses/emitter pair. By the way, I also have the Optoma/Bit Cauldron kit which works fine with the Sim2.
It seems that the Sim2 uses triple flash in a way that is unique to that projector. Something single chip DLP projectors can't do. That could be the reason why these glasses will not work for you. I am also sure that most of the other universal 3D glasses will also not work with your projector. The BitCauldron/Optoma glasses have a different type of emitter as you know.

Sorry that they will not work with the Sim 2. You are probably right about 144KZ issues. They will, however, work for the vast majority of users of JVC, Sony (with special cable) Epson, and other brand projectors.

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The glasses that Sim2 are now using are labeled X105-S1. The Mitsubishi ones are labeled X105-M1.
Question is, is there any real difference between the glasses?
I am willing to try another emitter, if I can find one for a reasonable price.
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The glasses that Sim2 are now using are labeled X105-S1. The Mitsubishi ones are labeled X105-M1.
Question is, is there any real difference between the glasses?
I am willing to try another emitter, if I can find one for a reasonable price.
Zombie thinks that the glasses are the same with just different markings. I think you are correct that it has something to do with the 3 flash 144K which seems unique to SIM 2 projectors.
What Blu-Ray player are you using? Did you try to adjust the resolution set it manually for F.P (Frame Packing)
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Zombie thinks that the glasses are the same with just different markings. I think you are correct that it has something to do with the 3 flash 144K which seems unique to SIM 2 projectors.
What Blu-Ray player are you using? Did you try to adjust the resolution set it manually for F.P (Frame Packing)
I agree that these glasses are probably the same. I would think the same applies to the emitters too.


I am using the Oppo BDP-93 feeding a Lumagen Radiance. Standard frame sequential output, I believe. I doubt the Sim2 is doing anything unusual. The original Sim2 kit is the older X103 generation IR glasses/emitter that works fine. You would think any of the newer X105 kits would work fine.
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DJ, hi they do work with the 1100 but it required the RJ45 -> 3 PIN Sony cable. A fellow member on the HW55 forum posted a way to directly wire the RF adapter into the Sony's RJ45 connection.

link ->> http://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-digital-hi-end-projectors-3-000-usd-msrp/1499280-owners-thread-sony-hw55es-40.html#post24780714

Thanks, Zoombie10K


Is this the glasses / RF transmitter/ converter cable to get for the 1100, for the best Picture quality and comfort, if I want to go deeper into the 3D universe IYO ?


If so, maybe then I can get one in US, to buy them for me and ship them to me :-)


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I got the word from Xpand directly.


Seems that the Mitsubishi glasses should work at 144Hz, but the included emitter will not.
They offered to sell me the newer AD025-RF-X1 emitter directly.


Still a good deal on the glasses. Cheaper with the included emitter than glasses alone. If it all works out, I should have a bunch of extra emitters.
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If any of you are still looking for the Expand glasses and emitter bargain I suggest that you act fast since Amazon has only a few left in stock. Doubt if we will see this deal again.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...=vglnk-c333-20
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If any of you are still looking for the Expand glasses and emitter bargain I suggest that you act fast since Amazon has only a few left in stock. Doubt if we will see this deal again.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...=vglnk-c333-20
Walt's TV is selling them on eBay as well. The have 163 pairs available, and have sold 60 already.
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Walt's TV is selling them on eBay as well. The have 163 pairs available, and have sold 60 already.
Great that there are more available
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I just noticed that some Amazon links I posted have been changed to Sears links on AVS I thought it was spyware but it has happened on tablet and phone if the new owner of AVS is doing this and getting paid for it members should complain since it might be illegal and it is certainly deceptive. The 3d glasses link is an example of a redirect

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They go to amazon for me.

See what an anamorphoscopic lens can do, see movies the way they were meant to be seen
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They go to amazon for me.
I found out that it is a redirect called VigLink someone is getting paid for the redirect. I am trying to get ride of it.

Amazon has only a few pairs left but you can buy them from the same seller on Ebay for only $1 more. You can also make an offer for less.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Xpand-EX105B...item416f4e4b37

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I've got 8 pairs of the Xpand glasses from Amazon now. If only I had a 3D Blu-Ray player too!
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I've got 8 pairs of the Xpand glasses from Amazon now. If only I had a 3D Blu-Ray player too!
Time to get an Oppo 103D or 105D Amazon will also have more glasses on July 3rd.
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Time to get an Oppo 103D or 105D Amazon will also have more glasses on July 3rd.
A bit off topic, but I'm thinking the 103D. I have a question posted in the Blu-Ray forum about hookup with my non-3D legacy Yamaha RX-Z11 receiver. I was hoping to run the pass-thru output from my receiver to the input on the 103D. Has anybody tried that?

I wonder if Zombie has had time to test these Xpand glasses&emitter with a JVC projector?

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Hi, I tested the glasses / RF emitter with my RS55 and X35(RS46), it works great, plug and play. What a bargain!!
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Hi, I tested the glasses / RF emitter with my RS55 and X35(RS46), it works great, plug and play. What a bargain!!
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I have an RS55. will these work directly or will I need your conversion cable as shown above? Also are they really better with hosting than the X103? I am very happy with my RS55, but I wish the ghosting in 3D was reduced.

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Which is better overall, Xpand or Optoma/Estar?

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I have an RS55. will these work directly or will I need your conversion cable as shown above? Also are they really better with hosting than the X103? I am very happy with my RS55, but I wish the ghosting in 3D was reduced.
All you will have to do is plug the included emitter into the VESA port on the JVC RS55 and you will be good to go after you link the glasses. Great buy at under $20. Amazon will have them back in stock on July 3rd.
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All you will have to do is plug the included emitter into the VESA port on the JVC RS55 and you will be good to go after you link the glasses. Great buy at under $20. Amazon will have them back in stock on July 3rd.
Is there a way that I can use both emitters at the same time, so that I can use my existing X103s and these simultaneously or will the new emitter work with the x103s?

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Is there a way that I can use both emitters at the same time, so that I can use my existing X103s and these simultaneously or will the new emitter work with the x103s?
Zombie posted info on how to make a Y VESA connector to use two different emitters. You might want to ask him to post the info again. I am not sure if the X103's use IR or RF. If they are RF you could try them with the included Xpand 105 emitter. If they are IR you could make a Y Vesa cable and use the original JVC IR transmitter and the new Xpand emitter. There is a picture of the Y connector on page 289.
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