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post #8701 of 8765 Old 07-09-2014, 01:31 PM
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I see we're talking about music concerts. I was a die hard music fan (and still am) even before I picked this video hobby. And I am always on the look-out for new quality music concerts. I can recommend the following as being 'reference quality' for video and audio:

1) John Mayer: Where the Light Is - Live in Los Angeles (blues/rock/pop) - you must know John Mayer. If not, you should check him out! Tremendous guitar player and singer. Just watch:
Many dark scenes here so it will look great on JVCs.
2) Jackie Evancho - Dream With Me in Concert (vocal/orchestral) - when I first saw this I was blown away. By her voice, by beautiful songs, by sound and video. I have yet to hear a more pure, vibrant and touching voice. I re-watch it quite frequently. I think it will be hard for her to top what she did here. A must have.
3) Dave Matthews & Tim Reynolds: Live at Radio City Music Hall (rock) - while not quite into this kind of music I realize the fact that it might be the best looking and sounding music concert to date. If you still don't have it in your collection go and grab one. Just to impress people if not for anything else. You might look up an example on YouTube.
4) Sting Live In Berlin (Sting) - my favourite concert of Sting is also the best looking one. It's quite recent and every technical part about it is made to highest standards (as always with Sting). But it's the musical part that grabs me. Also, her back-vocalist is so pretty here.
5) Macross Frontier Galaxy Tour Final in Budokan (J-pop/J-rock/orchestral) - I'm sorry I just had to include this one. If you're unfamiliar with j-pop this mightn't allure you but still one have to admit that Japanese are great at making top-tier shows. And filming them. The sheer scale of Budokan arena, spectator's involvement, genial music of Yoko Kanno (yes, I believe she is a genius composer) and perfect performance by musicians make this 3-hour concert an unforgettable experience. It's a great production and it's mixed great. Just not for everyone. Here's a couple examples on YouTube:
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The complexity of musical arrangements and number of musicians involved!.. And the fact that it's performed live is mind-blowing.

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Well, before someone brings us back on topic, I've got a music concert to add. Just purchased and watched last night Celtic Woman's latest concert blu ray, Emerald: Musical Gems This is also something that might not be for everyone (I suppose that's the case with most music). However, anyone who appreciates female vocals would likely enjoy the rendition of Simon & Garfunkel's Bridge Over Troubled Water. I don't have a great reference for this, not having watched more than a few live concerts, but it looked and sounded pretty good to me. Shots of the audience are a little soft, but on-stage stuff is quite sharp. And although my display is far from great for black levels, certainly there's plenty of potential for showing that off in this release, if it was captured well.

Here's a link for Bridge Over Troubled Water. And yes, it sounded considerably better on the disc


Oh, and that Jackie Evancho is something else, I agree. Wow!

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Thanks Zombie for the 3D glasses information. Much appreciated.
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DV - The epson glasses do work with this RF transmitter, and the Sony RF glasses as well.

Long time subscriber to AVS forums and first-time poster. Thanks for such great info on so many fronts and for sharing your HT/HD passions, zombie10k and many others.

Zombie, I'm assuming the Sony RF glasses require the proprietary cable with the Xpand RF emitter - or will they work straight out of the box like the Epsons, Panasonics, and Samsungs?
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Hi, which projector do you have? If it's the JVC, the Xpand RF transmitter will plug right in and the Sony glasses will work with it no problem.
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Hi, which projector do you have? If it's the JVC, the Xpand RF transmitter will plug right in and the Sony glasses will work with it no problem.
I currently have a six-year old Panasonic PT-AE2000U that I'm looking to upgrade. I watch a lot of 2D material in a dedicated HT with dark walls, ceiling, and controlled lighting. 100 inch screen at a throw distance of about 12 feet on a cinewhite unity gain screen. Main reason to upgrade is to add 3D capability and the obvious generational improvements to PQ.

My current consideration set includes the RS4910, the Epson 6030UB, and the Sony HW40ES - each of which would probably be an upgrade over my current pj's 2d PQ, I guess. My question, though, was specifically regarding the HW40ES, should I happen pull the trigger on it. I have four pairs of Panasonic and Samsung glasses that I use with the Panny VT50 I have and then have added another couple of the xpand Mitsubishi close-outs. So having invested in 6 pairs that will work with both the epson and JVC out of the box but with greater effort with the Sony will factor in my final decision. Although the Sony is much cheaper.....Recommendations?
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if you have a light controlled / treated room, you'll definitely appreciate the high native contrast of the JVC over the other models mentioned.

don't think about it, just get it. you can thank us later.
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if you have a light controlled / treated room, you'll definitely appreciate the high native contrast of the JVC over the other models mentioned.

don't think about it, just get it. you can thank us later.
Thanks, Zombie. Wow - that's pretty definitive!

So the 4910 will come out ahead of the HW40ES in terms of price/performance AS WELL AS 3d in my set up?
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The HW40 doesn't have an auto iris, this is one of the reasons the cost is so low. The contrast is good for a projector in this price range (similar to the Epson with it's iris turned off) but the new JVC's are in a different league with low APL content in a light controlled / treated room.

I would say if you're mainly into TV / Sports, it might not be worth spending the extra $$. for movies as primary viewing, definitely consider spending the extra $$.

The 3D performance on the current JVC's is quite good compared to some of the previous years. They added CMD in 3D this year which is a welcome addition.

It will look great on that 100" screen with a relatively short throw @ 12 feet. This will be a big upgrade to the 2000.
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Thanks again, Zombie. Guess I'll: 1) start saving for the 4910; 2) start working on the lady of the house to prepare for the extra expense soon; and 3) keep in close contact with Mike @avs for the best deals currently and/or B stocks.

Given that we're nearing September already, is it prudent to hold off for a few more weeks and see what the post-CES action will be? In the meantime, I'm planning to sell my 2000U through various online outlets....as soon as I can figure out a "fair" price.

Thanks again for all the information and recommendations.
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For 3D lovers -- GN'R's Appetite for Democracy is an absolute must see. This is some of the best 3D I've seen to date. Very, very effective use of negative parallax. There's enough pop out to keep the hardcore guys happy for some time. If you're into 3D don't miss this one.
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I watched the preview, I don't think I can torture myself like this. His voice is shot. The 2011 Rock in Rio concert was cringe worthy, a friend of mine and I toughed our way through that thinking he should have lip synched to the 25 year old tracks.

I have an idea, I'll watch it in 3D with the sound turned down.
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I watched the preview, I don't think I can torture myself like this. His voice is shot. The 2011 Rock in Rio concert was cringe worthy, a friend of mine and I toughed our way through that thinking he should have lip synched to the 25 year old tracks.

I have an idea, I'll watch it in 3D with the sound turned down.
This concert is a visual feast, if you know what I mean. Who needs sound?

BTW -- his voice may not be what it used to be but those three guitar players haven't lost their touch.
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Thanks again, Zombie. Guess I'll: 1) start saving for the 4910; 2) start working on the lady of the house to prepare for the extra expense soon; and 3) keep in close contact with Mike @avs for the best deals currently and/or B stocks.

Given that we're nearing September already, is it prudent to hold off for a few more weeks and see what the post-CES action will be? In the meantime, I'm planning to sell my 2000U through various online outlets....as soon as I can figure out a "fair" price.

Thanks again for all the information and recommendations.
keep an eye out on the forums. in 2-3 months, I expect the 4910's to start selling for the early adopters who swap out every year for the new models. Staying in touch with AVS is a good idea, there's likely 4910 B stocks coming.

while the new models are announced in September, they don't start shipping until December and in quantity in January/feb. If you get can get a 4910 for a good price soon, go for it.
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DV - ok you convinced me, Axel get's a 2nd chance just so I can see the 3D...

Elix - it's late and I needed motivation to catch a 2nd wind and work late tonight on hanging my velvet curtains. I decided to watch the Dave Matthews / Tim Reynolds concert in the background. Starting out with 'Bartender' the sound is excellent.

If I make it through the next few hours, The Cure Trilogy is next on the playlist. I also have a recent Morrissey concert that I haven't watched yet.

This is music concert month for me, can't get enough of it. PG Front to Back 5 times already!
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not sure if it's already been discussed, but I can never get enough of Metallica's 3D Through the Never.
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Liked Through the Never. For those into instrumental guitar rock, check out Joe Satriani's Saturated: Live in Montreal disc. No rapid fire editing, great video with very natural (gimmick free) 3D, both TrueHD 7.1 plus PCM Stereo 48K/24bit audio, and a revealing behind-the scenes documentary makes this a great watch. Plus, it's region A/B/C and available for a bargain right now. Worth checking out, even if you're not a guitar player.


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The Kipnis Studio 4K Sony SRX-R110 Projector is for sale.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-SRX-R11...item3a93ee58bd

clearly the grandfather of the VW1000/1100. Huge 1.55-inch 4K panels & 10,000 lumens. I wonder what they are going to replace it with for that huge screen?



For the low cost of 10K, that would make one heck of a backyard project. Make all the neighbors jealous lighting up a 30+ foot screen.
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Good God! Look at that audio setup!!!

JVC 3D: Been there, done that, bought a DLP
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The Kipnis Studio 4K Sony SRX-R110 Projector is for sale.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-SRX-R11...item3a93ee58bd

clearly the grandfather of the VW1000/1100. Huge 1.55-inch 4K panels & 10,000 lumens. I wonder what they are going to replace it with for that huge screen?



For the low cost of 10K, that would make one heck of a backyard project. Make all the neighbors jealous lighting up a 30+ foot screen.
I'm curious: Does anyone know what kind of contrast that projector put out?

Crazy theater. Saw it long ago. Kipnis is quite heavy into self-promotion, listing off a Renaissance-man type of resume,
and I've always wondered just how many theaters followed his lead above. But what the hell, it's always fun watching someone push the envelope. Good on 'im. I'm curious what the projector replacement will be as well.

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The Sony specs list it as 2500:1. 6+ figures when it was released

http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/product-SRXT110/

it looks like the 'home' version of this cinema monster:

http://pro.sony.com/bbsccms/ext/SXRD...0ProdBroch.pdf

of course W. Mayer had one of these back in 2006

Sony 4K SRX-R110 Test at Home
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Looking at the manual for that Sony unit can it actually display 4K video? I do see that it "tiles" 4 1080p images but is that for still photography or can you use the included processor or a PC to stitch and output a 4K video to it so it can be displayed as it would be on something like the 1000ES?
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Got a chance to play around with my new toy for the past couple days. The Runco LS-10i ! This is my first 3-chip DLP projector. I am extremely impressed. This unit has excellent convergence, is tack sharp, classic DLP motion & POP, and the dynamic iris works wonders. I measured around 3000:1 native contrast (900 lumens low lamp, and 1300 in high lamp, the bulb has 1200 hours on it) with my Minolta CL-200. dynamic contrast around 13,000:1. Runco has these units (like many others) calibrated at the factory with the same meter I have and should only need a few tweaks to get it looking it's best on my screen.

Oh and did I mention, it's huge (and heavy) ?







It's longer, wider and taller than the JVC. It's also surprising quiet for how bright it is. Though I'm sure the large chassis size helps.
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Can the iris be clamped and still function with auto iris? on the 1100, even in low it's a little too much on the HP so I run it with auto-limited which clamps the iris a few clicks but keeps the DI.

The contrast is about the same as the DC4 hack in the Planar, it would be interesting to see them side by side.

The LS-10i and the 4910 should hold you over for a while. depending on what i'm watching, I pick the projector that best suites the content. i can't argue anymore which one is better. they are all great displays in their own way.


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DV - ok you convinced me, Axel get's a 2nd chance just so I can see the 3D...

Elix - it's late and I needed motivation to catch a 2nd wind and work late tonight on hanging my velvet curtains. I decided to watch the Dave Matthews / Tim Reynolds concert in the background. Starting out with 'Bartender' the sound is excellent.

If I make it through the next few hours, The Cure Trilogy is next on the playlist. I also have a recent Morrissey concert that I haven't watched yet.

This is music concert month for me, can't get enough of it. PG Front to Back 5 times already!
There is NO E in Axl, it's AXL, and his voice was always shot... The Cure is good, but more than 10 minutes of it and you'll be standing on the edge of a bridge contemplating the fastest way to get to the bottom...


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Can the iris be clamped and still function with auto iris? on the 1100, even in low it's a little too much on the HP so I run it with auto-limited which clamps the iris a few clicks but keeps the DI.

The contrast is about the same as the DC4 hack in the Planar, it would be interesting to see them side by side.

The LS-10i and the 4910 should hold you over for a while. depending on what i'm watching, I pick the projector that best suites the content. i can't argue anymore which one is better. they are all great displays in their own way.


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The DI works like it does on the PD8150. Only one mode. At my screen size I've actually been using the Hoya ND filter. Gives even better apparent contrast and black levels in darker movies. At this level of brightness the ND filter doesn't dim the image to the point where brighter scenes suffer. So far I'm really enjoying it. I think the only place to go from here would be a Sony 1000ES.

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The sacramental question still stands. If you put RS5 (PD8150) and LS10i side-by-side and brightness-match them, what would be the difference? Besides obvious lack of RBE on the 3-chipper? If contrast is the same, sharpness is about the same (LS10i's convergence errors are compensated by a higher quality lens)... what would be the difference? Will the colors be perceptibly better on LS10i? Will the motion handling be better? Are there less dithering noise on LS10i? Will we ever get answers to these questions?
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Yeah, I'd be interested to read your thoughts on 3-DLP's "better color".

See what an anamorphoscopic lens can do, see movies the way they were meant to be seen
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I'd like to see a full detailed color report, especially saturation tracking @ 25 / 50 / 75.
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The Sony specs list it as 2500:1. 6+ figures when it was released

http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/product-SRXT110/

it looks like the 'home' version of this cinema monster:

http://pro.sony.com/bbsccms/ext/SXRD...0ProdBroch.pdf

of course W. Mayer had one of these back in 2006

Sony 4K SRX-R110 Test at Home
Thanks for that.

I enjoyed the link to Mayer's home audition. It's very interesting to read such an old discussion of 4K on the forum. I didn't realise it was even on the radar back then.
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