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My PD8130 comes tomorrow. It's going to be a glorious transformation. My DC4 DMD is waiting for it's new home. Soon you won't be the only owner of a PD8170 haha

I'm going to use half of an LS-1 and half of an PD8130. I bought both at auction for parts. My plan is to use the "brains" of the LS-1 and combine it with the body of the PD8130 if I can't fix whatever the issue it has and add in a DC4 DMD for kicks! Some of the crap you find on ebay can make for a fun hobby project on a rainy afternoon. The final piece of the puzzle arrives tomorrow!! I think the only issue I may run into is re-calibrating the color wheel, but I've spoken to another forum member on how to get into the service menu to do this if in fact I need to use the LS-1 main board. Fun times are ahead!
it was your idea, I just did it first.

maybe it's just the power supply on the 8130.

it was fun taking it apart, it's always nice when there are no leftover screws when it goes back together. The short throw lens finally let me use this projector with this setup, it was too far back on the 142" with the standard lens.





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it was your idea, I just did it first.

maybe it's just the power supply on the 8130.

it was fun taking it apart, it's always nice when there are no leftover screws when it goes back together. The short throw lens finally let me use this projector with this setup, it was too far back on the 142" with the standard lens.






I had friends that liked to rebuild motorcycles - but never projectors. Nice !!

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My PD8130 comes tomorrow. It's going to be a glorious transformation. My DC4 DMD is waiting for it's new home. Soon you won't be the only owner of a PD8170 haha
That makes three of us. I managed to grab a new 1910-9140 chip on eBay. Will be replacing it in September.
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That makes three of us. I managed to grab a new 1910-9140 chip on eBay. Will be replacing it in September.
So this is going in the PD8150? Interested in how it goes.. I may have to do it as well!
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Then you are very lucky with your sim and much much much better than the sim lumis 3ds. That 3ds is Not even close to a jvc not even a sony hw55. Maybe about the same. So I find it strange. Ps talk about low apl.hehe
Maybe you forgot the iris on the x500?

There may have been something wrong with your 3DS then. I had a 4910 and an RS57 in my theater. The JVC's did produce " blacker blacks " than my Lumis Host, but in most mixed scenes the JVC's weren't that much blacker. Pacific Rim for instance, didn't look too different on the Lumis vs the JVC. The Lumis being brighter and having better motion trumped the JVC's overall ( IMO ). And both the Lumis and the JVC pretty much black out my room to dangerous wine spilling levels on fade to black scenes ( nobody can see anything - don't pour that wine ) ! A lot has to do with calibration, your room - too many variables.
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Only two things left I need to complete my A/V experience:

1) A Pet Moose
2) A DC4 Projector


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There may have been something wrong with your 3DS then. I had a 4910 and an RS57 in my theater. The JVC's did produce " blacker blacks " than my Lumis Host, but in most mixed scenes the JVC's weren't that much blacker. Pacific Rim for instance, didn't look too different on the Lumis vs the JVC. The Lumis being brighter and having better motion trumped the JVC's overall ( IMO ). And both the Lumis and the JVC pretty much black out my room to dangerous wine spilling levels on fade to black scenes ( nobody can see anything - don't pour that wine ) ! A lot has to do with calibration, your room - too many variables.
I'm having a similar experience with my Lumis.
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Only two things left I need to complete my A/V experience:

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you forgot one of these.. don't you want to go old school to get the 'film-like' HT experience?

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you forgot one of these.. don't you want to go old school to get the 'film-like' HT experience?

Local pickup only, bring freight truck + lift.

My friend bought one of those old school projectors from a church and put it in his garage, it didn't work so he had to pay like $150 for disposal for someone to come pick it up. It was made of IRON I think and weighed like 800 pounds.


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In contrast to the monster sized projectors from the past, one of my favorite projectors is the QUMI pico projector. It's hard to believe what they were able to do with a projector the size of a hard drive. I bought one in 2011 and still use it today. Imagine seeing something like this 20-30 years ago.

I also still have the Acer 5360, the original king of 3D in 2010 for only $500.




with all the nit-picking aside we are lucky to have such cool pieces of technology that create these great looking images.
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There may have been something wrong with your 3DS then. I had a 4910 and an RS57 in my theater. The JVC's did produce " blacker blacks " than my Lumis Host, but in most mixed scenes the JVC's weren't that much blacker. Pacific Rim for instance, didn't look too different on the Lumis vs the JVC. The Lumis being brighter and having better motion trumped the JVC's overall ( IMO ). And both the Lumis and the JVC pretty much black out my room to dangerous wine spilling levels on fade to black scenes ( nobody can see anything - don't pour that wine ) ! A lot has to do with calibration, your room - too many variables.
Where I saw the sim was at a sim seller. So nothing wrong and just had been calibrated 100%. But do not misunderstand me.
I did not see the jvc together only the vw 1000 and that was much better.
And the jvc is better than the vw 1000 on this near black what I talk about. And what I have said is the combination on off and ansi : result best picture. But also other factors come in.
but for me the sim is Over priced, and way out of my reach.
so when we did this side by side test I was 110% that the sim would kick vw 1000 but hole. But it was so extreme beating the other way around.
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Got a chance to do the DC4 upgrade on the PD8130 this evening.

I got the PD8130 with a bad power supply. After quickly swapping it out with a new one from a Runco LS-1 (and changing over the main processing board in case that was bad too) and then swapping out the DC2 chip with the DC4 chip she's as good as new (and improved).







Zombie has a few more photos of the nitty gritty (doing the swap) if you're interested. The piano black finish on this projector is beautiful. It's a shame they ditched it for a matte black one on the LS-5. Cheers for the PD8170!

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Got a chance to do the DC4 upgrade on the PD8130 this evening.

I got the PD8130 with a bad power supply. After quickly swapping it out with a new one from a Runco LS-1 (and changing over the main processing board in case that was bad too) and then swapping out the DC2 chip with the DC4 chip she's as good as new (and improved).
How much of an improvement is the DC4 over whatever is in the PD8150? I know you would be going from memory but is it a worthwhile effort?
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For those interested here's a review of the Sim2 Super Lumis. I'm not sure the native contrast of 5,000:1 is particularly impressive but the reviewer, who doesn't like 3D, found 3D on this projector to be a game changer for him. He said: "3D movies look fantastic and make me actually want to watch them, which I never thought possible." I love 3D on my relatively cheap DLP projectors so I guess I'd find Nirvana with something like the Lumis.

His conclusion: "Choosing a projector is typically about weighing compromises. Better black levels over higher light output. Better 3D compared to higher contrast ratios. Light output versus picture accuracy. The SIM2 SUPER LUMIS eliminates compromise and just displays the content without limitations." O.K. I want one. Now to find the 60 grand.

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Where?
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I believe on this thread -- back about 100 pages or so. Good luck with your search. Maybe someone can direct you to the exact post number. You can start at post #8851 .

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How much of an improvement is the DC4 over whatever is in the PD8150? I know you would be going from memory but is it a worthwhile effort?
The PD8150 has a DC3 chip in it. You gain about 30% extra contrast I'd wager. This amounts to a slightly brighter image with a black level a couple "clicks" lower. Overall, it's a worthy upgrade if you can find the DC4 chip.

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Yah, time to mod my Benq w7000 to a DC 4 (NOT!), the contrast might go up from 1000:1 to 1300:1, hah.

I wonder if you can mod the Sharp, what do you think?

Are you guys going to try it on the Sharp next, haha.
I guess there is no difference in pixel fill either between DC 3 and DC 4 then or is there?
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Any chance any of you can mod a JVC with a Lumis lens? lol

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Yah, time to mod my Benq w7000 to a DC 4 (NOT!), the contrast might go up from 1000:1 to 1300:1, hah.

I wonder if you can mod the Sharp, what do you think?

Are you guys going to try it on the Sharp next, haha.
I guess there is no difference in pixel fill either between DC 3 and DC 4 then or is there?
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How is the Benq treating you, I sort of miss mine, seeing as it was my first ever PJ. I recall you had an amazing amount of hours on a single bulb, what was the grand total before you switched bulbs?

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I wonder if you can mod the Sharp, what do you think?

Are you guys going to try it on the Sharp next, haha.
yes my next plans are to hack some tubes into the sharp. Here are the 'High Contrast' and 'High Definition' pieces I'll be using.

I pulled these out of a ~19" color RCA Victor TV from 1964. helping someone clear out a house today, I couldn't resist looking inside.

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How is the Benq treating you, I sort of miss mine, seeing as it was my first ever PJ. I recall you had an amazing amount of hours on a single bulb, what was the grand total before you switched bulbs?
It's fine, I use it for HTPC stuff and since I spend more time in HTPC than movies, it gets used most of the time over the JVC. I got 7500 hours out of the first bulb, it didn't blow and I probably could have made it to 10k hours, but I didn't want to push it too far and it wasn't bright enough for me anymore. I am on the second bulb with 2000 hours, I will probably change this one around 5k hours just to do it.

I am still sad I bought the w7000 right before the Sharp deal and Zombie's review of the Sharp, that Sharp looks like I could sell my RS-45 and Benq and just have 1 PJ again... I like black levels as much as the next guy, but I got bored with them, I don't really obsess over it anymore.

I don't post here as much because I don't have as much to say anymore because I haven't seen any of the new projectors from this year.


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It's fine, I use it for HTPC stuff and since I spend more time in HTPC than movies, it gets used most of the time over the JVC. I got 7500 hours out of the first bulb, it didn't blow and I probably could have made it to 10k hours, but I didn't want to push it too far and it wasn't bright enough for me anymore. I am on the second bulb with 2000 hours, I will probably change this one around 5k hours just to do it.

I am still sad I bought the w7000 right before the Sharp deal and Zombie's review of the Sharp, that Sharp looks like I could sell my RS-45 and Benq and just have 1 PJ again... I like black levels as much as the next guy, but I got bored with them, I don't really obsess over it anymore.

I don't post here as much because I don't have as much to say anymore because I haven't seen any of the new projectors from this year.


Wow that is awesome, really enjoying my JVC X500, pretty big jump in my opinion, I suppose I am addicted to Sci Fi and black levels. But the W7000 still is a really nice machine, certainly for PC use and 3D, I regret selling mine.

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I don't want to waste the money, I'm currently half-employed and only work part-time for a little while. Maybe now I'll finally have time to get back to the PJ Calculator (hopefully).


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Any other place other than Ebay to look for the DC4 1910-9140 DMD?
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The next best source for them would be an old/used/for parts InFocus IN83.

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Yep looked for that as well as the Marantz VP11, Samsung 900b .. Thing there was a Sim 2 but didn't do a search on it.. There is the one guy that sold one on ebay (compueye) but he did not respond to my question about if he had another.. Like you guys said.. hard to come by! How is your project going Dylan?
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I got it all done two nights ago. Everything is working great now! I even put in a brand new bulb!

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