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post #8941 of 8963 Old 08-24-2014, 02:03 PM - Thread Starter
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doug that is good info, thx for posting those additional photos. I've installed several 2.4's and agree the 2.8 is brighter than the perceived .4 difference when set up for optimal gain. I have my main 3D projector mounted at eye level and the seats are 4 across my 142" 2.8 so it works out well for this setup. I can't imagine 3D without the HP, I would have needed a much different projector setup to enjoy 3D at this brightness level.

todd, I also have one of the last 2.8's made. I wanted a 133"+ Cinema Contour for years and they kept telling me 133" was the limit. I came across a VP @ Dalite who said it was no problem to custom order the 142" 16:9 with no seams on the 2.8 material. soon after it was gone.

I don't think 3D was on their mind when they made it years ago. the HP is dead.. long live the HP.

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Is HP really gone forever?
I thought that DaLite was just reformulating it and planned to bring it back...
Can anyone confirm this?
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Is HP really gone forever?
I thought that DaLite was just reformulating it and planned to bring it back...
Can anyone confirm this?
It is strange that the 2.4 HP material isn't listed on their website anymore. I think I got one of the last High Contrast High Power screens. I had to send mine in for replacement as the first started to get waves in the material after only 6 months. They told me they had to be sure they had enough material left to make the screen. Luckily they did.

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I wrote to Jeff Meier here on avs regarding the hp measurements in the accucal report. The projector was apparently mounted high during the measurements (on axis was referring to the horizontal position), which explains the lower hp results.

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None-the-less, the 2.4 has plenty of gain, that's not the issue, the issue is the texture. Even I notice it.

That will suck if even the 2.4 material is going to be gone, I'm debating on ordering a spare.
I might still be able to get a new Manual B under $250 with the 2.4 material. Only problem with Manual B's is they don't roll-up or down (At least mine doesn't, I have to take it off the wall to roll it up, lol)...


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None-the-less, the 2.4 has plenty of gain, that's not the issue, the issue is the texture. Even I notice it.

That will suck if even the 2.4 material is going to be gone, I'm debating on ordering a spare.
I might still be able to get a new Manual B under $250 with the 2.4 material. Only problem with Manual B's is they don't roll-up or down (At least mine doesn't, I have to take it off the wall to roll it up, lol)...
I agree. The 2.8 has a much "smoother" surface. It's almost as if the glass beads are smaller and more evenly sized and sprayed on the substrate.

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On a related note, I am SO paranoid about my 2.8 as I feel it is some sort of historical rare gem and I fear the possibility of it getting ruined somehow! Really wish they still sold this material! I am sure the other 2.8 lovers out there can relate.
I almost feel the same way about my HP 2.8 screen. I haven't got rid of it yet, even though I don't use it!

This is also the first I've heard that even the 2.4 might go away. Sad.
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I agree. The 2.8 has a much "smoother" surface. It's almost as if the glass beads are smaller and more evenly sized and sprayed on the substrate.
Take a look at my magnified photos.. 2.8 are larger perfectly uniformed and tightly packed. They are imbedded in the substrate. The 2.4 are 3 different sizes mostly smaller with spaces between them where the substrate shows through. The photos don't show it, but it looks like the 2.4 is sprayed on with the emulsifier rather than being embedded in the substrate.. This is why the 2.4 is better off axis.. lets beads more plain white.. At least that is my take after viewing under the microscope.
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I agree. The 2.8 has a much "smoother" surface. It's almost as if the glass beads are smaller and more evenly sized and sprayed on the substrate.
Interesting. I had a HP2.8 for several yrs, but by then wanted to go for a larger screen, and only the HP2.4 was available at that time. On the basis of memory (admittedly unreliable), I thought the the 2.4 gave a smoother pic than the 2.8. But I never had the two at the same time to compare side by side. In any event, I'm very pleased with my HP 2.4, and if I ever change houses, or something, where I will need to get a new screen, I hope that the HP screen makes a re-appearance.
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None-the-less, the 2.4 has plenty of gain, that's not the issue, the issue is the texture. Even I notice it.

That will suck if even the 2.4 material is going to be gone, I'm debating on ordering a spare.
I might still be able to get a new Manual B under $250 with the 2.4 material. Only problem with Manual B's is they don't roll-up or down (At least mine doesn't, I have to take it off the wall to roll it up, lol)...
I remember you saying a ways back how you wanted a different screen and how other screens were better than the HP screen. I spent 2 years with a HP 2.4 screen and the last 1.5 years with a unity gain screen. I think I'm going to go back to the HP 2.4 screen that's laying around. I have an all velvet room, so that's why I went with the unity gain screen.
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I remember you saying a ways back how you wanted a different screen and how other screens were better than the HP screen. I spent 2 years with a HP 2.4 screen and the last 1.5 years with a unity gain screen. I think I'm going to go back to the HP 2.4 screen that's laying around. I have an all velvet room, so that's why I went with the unity gain screen.

I will be very interested in your thoughts if you put up the 2.4 screen, I also have a unity screen in a all velvet room.

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I remember you saying a ways back how you wanted a different screen and how other screens were better than the HP screen. I spent 2 years with a HP 2.4 screen and the last 1.5 years with a unity gain screen. I think I'm going to go back to the HP 2.4 screen that's laying around. I have an all velvet room, so that's why I went with the unity gain screen.
I kept the HP because of the gain, I think most of us just feel stuck to the HP (unless you have the 2.8 then you might be 100% satisfied). For the first few years, I didn't notice the texture (I wasn't looking for it), but the texture becomes much more noticeable in HTPC usage on all white.

I also agree the 2.8 is more than the stated 0.4 gain difference, as I noted I believe the 2.4 to actually be 2.0 to 2.2 on perfect axis, but I think the 2.8 is closer to 3.0 gain, that would make a difference of 0.8 to 1.0 gain, that is a big difference. Still the 2.4 is plenty for me, unless I had a bigger screen, I just want something that has no texture.


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Elunevison has a 2.4 screen, I have their unity screen and it is fantastic. I was considering going for the 2.4 screen but I fear texture, a lot. Be nice to hear if anyone in here has experience with Elunevison's 2.4 screen.

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I kept the HP because of the gain, I think most of us just feel stuck to the HP (unless you have the 2.8 then you might be 100% satisfied). For the first few years, I didn't notice the texture (I wasn't looking for it), but the texture becomes much more noticeable in HTPC usage on all white.

I also agree the 2.8 is more than the stated 0.4 gain difference, as I noted I believe the 2.4 to actually be 2.0 to 2.2 on perfect axis, but I think the 2.8 is closer to 3.0 gain, that would make a difference of 0.8 to 1.0 gain, that is a big difference. Still the 2.4 is plenty for me, unless I had a bigger screen, I just want something that has no texture.
That's the reason I switched. I just looked for the textured too much. I don't see it at all now with my current screen. But I'm curious to see how a HP screen looks again
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based on the mixed comments, there may have been sample variances between the different production runs. The last two 2.4's I installed looked like the photo that Doug posted. It has a canvas like texture and I noticed it in bright scenes more so than my 2.8 from 2010.



I had a 92" model C pull down with the 2.8HP that I gave to a coworker. I wish I had it back, it would have been perfect for a TV room.
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based on the mixed comments, there may have been sample variances between the different production runs. The last two 2.4's I installed looked like the photo that Doug posted. It has a canvas like texture and I noticed it in bright scenes more so than my 2.8 from 2010.



I had a 92" model C pull down with the 2.8HP that I gave to a coworker. I wish I had it back, it would have been perfect for a TV room.
Some people complain about a paisley looking texture of the 2.8 on white fields. I have seen this on my 2.8 when it was dirty, but I recall a member saying no matter of cleaning would remove it.. maybe just a defective piece but this was corroborated by a couple of others. No texture on mine.. do have a couple of beads hanging out in mid air causing sparklies at just the right location.. wife saw one the other night..
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None-the-less, the 2.4 has plenty of gain, that's not the issue, the issue is the texture. Even I notice it.

That will suck if even the 2.4 material is going to be gone, I'm debating on ordering a spare.
I might still be able to get a new Manual B under $250 with the 2.4 material. Only problem with Manual B's is they don't roll-up or down (At least mine doesn't, I have to take it off the wall to roll it up, lol)...
I have a 2.8 gain model B that I have had for many years. It still rolls up, just like it did when new. I used offset brackets when I mounted mine. Had to clear the doors that open up for the TV below. This allowed me to use screw eyes and nuts, which means I could fine tune the screen height at each end and get it perfectly level. That is the key to getting these to last and helps in keeping them from developing waves.

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It has a canvas like texture and I noticed it in bright scenes more so than my 2.8 from 2010.


That would drive me nuts, but I so sensitive to see any kind of screen texture/artifact, hence I had to go with the Stewart ST100.

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That would drive me nuts, but I so sensitive to see any kind of screen texture/artifact, hence I had to go with the Stewart ST100.

Ya, I prefer my StudioTek 130 G3 - some gain with minimal surface texture / sheen. I should have kept my old manual 2.8 High Power, but I needed the space in the garage.

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I have a 2.8 gain model B that I have had for many years. It still rolls up, just like it did when new. I used offset brackets when I mounted mine. Had to clear the doors that open up for the TV below. This allowed me to use screw eyes and nuts, which means I could fine tune the screen height at each end and get it perfectly level. That is the key to getting these to last and helps in keeping them from developing waves.
Mine also: 2.8 Model B hung from ceiling perfectly level. Been up since 2000. Cost me $300 new. Still in perfect condition. It's 92x42 (2.20:1) with a bunch of extra drop top and bottom. Since we now have 1080 and LCOS, I wish it were larger. I'd buy a bigger 2.8 in a heartbeat. I'm seriously considering a bigger 2.4 if they return to market. Projector is ceiling mounted - the screen still functions great - rejects all reflections from everything except surfaces which are directly behind the projector.

With all of the criticisms one reads of the Hi-power, it's interesting that virtually none come from anyone who's owned one - - especially the 2.8.

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That's because no one wants to admit buyers remorse haha. Just kidding, I love mine but I'll be the first to admit it has it's issues, as do all things in projector-world.
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I had my old ST130 G3 sitting here for a few years before it finally sold and I never missed it at all moving to my 2.8. I could have easily put the 130 back up at any time, but NEVER felt the need. The texture on both the 130 G3 and 2.8 can be seen in the right type of scene, but it's not obtrusive to my eyes unlike other screens I have owned.

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I had my old ST130 G3 sitting here for a few years before it finally sold and I never missed it at all moving to my 2.8. I could have easily put the 130 back up at any time, but NEVER felt the need. The texture on both the 130 G3 and 2.8 can be seen in the right type of scene, but it's not obtrusive to my eyes unlike other screens I have owned.

With the 130 G3, do you mean sparkles? I have a sample here of that material and it has literally NO texture. It's as smooth as calfskin leather. But I can see some sparkle elements in it.

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