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Plasma was great except for pixel dithering, heat generation, power consumption, burn-in on earlier models (it wasn't bad at all on the newer models), and that's about it. I still never saw a plasma that had black levels good enough for me (and I saw the Pioneer Kuro 9G in Best Buy Magnolia in Reno, NV). The image washed out really bad with the lights turned on. I had one Samsung PN64F8000 or something like that. I only kept it for a week because I couldn't stand the grey letterbox bars. And from what I've read, even the Pioneer Kuro 9.5G and Panasonic ZT60 still had "some" light in the letterbox bars. D-Nice tweaked some Kuro 9.5G's to make the black levels better, but that's only a 50" model, which is way too small (that's what she said, LOL!). I ended up with a Samsung UN55B8500 full-array local dimming LED LCD that had pitch black letterbox bars, but exhibited some haloing. And now that TV is broken and will cost like $500 to fix...maybe one day.

Any light in the letterbox bars just destroys the whole movie experience for me. That's the main reason I'm so excited to get a large screen OLED, or whatever tech (QLED, CLED, etc...) ends up being the next big thing. Infinite contrast even in ambient lighting conditions...sign me up! Oh yeah, and just add in Dolby HDR for icing on the cake.
I'm not trying to say they have the best black level and contrast out there, but ANSI contrast is about 15000:1 on the Kuro and newer Panasonic plasmas. I'm not a huge fan of full array LED back lit LCDs because of the halo artifacts you get. I'd rather have a consistent level of black at all times which is why I'd own a plasma over an LCD any day. Plus, like I previously mentioned, plasmas get 1080+ lines of motion resolution natively (no creative frame interpolation needed) where even the best LCDs are no where near that.

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I'm not trying to say they have the best black level and contrast out there, but ANSI contrast is about 15000:1 on the Kuro and newer Panasonic plasmas. I'm not a huge fan of full array LED back lit LCDs because of the halo artifacts you get. I'd rather have a consistent level of black at all times which is why I'd own a plasma over an LCD any day. Plus, like I previously mentioned, plasmas get 1080+ lines of motion resolution natively (no creative frame interpolation needed) where even the best LCDs are no where near that.
I feel ya there. They all have their pros and cons, that's for sure. If a manufacturer ever creates a display that has perfect PQ and is affordable by the masses, said manufacturer would surely go out of business within 10-years, or have to downsize significantly. That's probably why it hasn't been done yet, they don't want to cut their own throats. Incremental upgrades and failures by design keeps them in business.

There have been a few FALD LED/LCDs that have been really good at minimizing haloing. For instance, the Sharp Elites were super nice other than the Cyan color issue, plus they came in a 70" size. It just depends on the amount of zones they implemented and how well their algorithms worked.

But yeah, hopefully LGs new OLED printing technique will allow them to scale the panels up past 77" and retain high yields so we can get larger screen sizes for affordable prices. Assuming there's a high enough demand to help drive down prices as well.

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