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And why would you do that??
So I can take some measurements of my own and do a much longer comparison than what I got when I was at Mark's house. And possibly make a few more remarks about it that will inevitably piss you off.

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I thought Andreas just bought a jvc? Can't bust too many chops if one has a Sony 4k and a JVC
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The newer JVCs for sure. I just feel they offer the best all around performance at the moment. I recently had an RS45 here and I thought that in comparison to the X500's image somehow JVC has made some serious strides in overall PQ finesse. Sharpness, "clarity", motion, out of the box color, brightness, and native contrast really look better on the X500 over the RS45.
I recently spent some time comparing the 46/35 to several different 4910's (all were great samples). I'm not as big a fan of e-shift on the newer 2nd/3rd revision. after going back and forth, I ended up turning off the e-shift and going with ~30 on the darbee. With the e-shift off, both projector models looked very similar with a split source. JVC started a trend with decent out of the box color with the 46, something the previous 45/55 series needed help with. better OOTB color space and gamma settings is a good starting point before calibration.

do any of your iris tests trip up the JVC iris like the interrogation scene in Oblivion? it's funny watching the delay of the iris / DG trying to catch up during the transitions.
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I've actually fallen into the habit of watching a lot of material with my JVC RS57's DI on the dreaded "auto 1" setting. This setting seemed to be universally dismissed especially by the reviewers, with Auto 2 being regarded as more accurate (where Auto 1 purportedly crushes shadow detail more). But when I want the richest sense of contrast, Auto 1 seems to do it, which I believe it's probably due to the more aggressive gamma manipulation. Not for all things, and not when I want the best shadow detail or the most film-like image, but for certain newer movies I find the Auto 1 setting adds a touch more wow factor.
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I recently spent some time comparing the 46/35 to several different 4910's (all were great samples). I'm not as big a fan of e-shift on the newer 2nd/3rd revision. after going back and forth, I ended up turning off the e-shift and going with ~30 on the darbee. With the e-shift off, both projector models looked very similar with a split source. JVC started a trend with decent out of the box color with the 46, something the previous 45/55 series needed help with. better OOTB color space and gamma settings is a good starting point before calibration.

do any of your iris tests trip up the JVC iris like the interrogation scene in Oblivion? it's funny watching the delay of the iris / DG trying to catch up during the transitions.
I mentioned a clip to you in one of my previous posts. It's right at the beginning of Harry Potter 7 Part 1. There's a full fade to black after the Harry Potter logo and it instantly shows a close up image of Rufus Scrimgeour's face. There is a pretty long delay in the iris opening and dynamic gamma catching up on both the VW1100ES and X500. But it's near perfect on the PD8150. I use this clip a lot when testing out a DI. The iris mechanism is very light weight attached to a lightning fast actuator. The in-lens irises are too slow by comparison. I think it's a physical limitation of that type of iris. Though I may be wrong. Why program it that way if you know it's going to be a problem? Real content does have fade to black moments which come out quickly often. It seems like an oversight not to have something written for these instances like the PD8150 does.

I've been thinking about DI's a lot and I would LOVE if someone came out with a system that looked ahead like a full 5 or 6 seconds (which would cause an audio delay that could be compensated for) and made smart, accurate, and strikingly appropriate movements based on how the scenes changes or transitions. It seems like we have pumping issues because it doesn't look ahead far enough to anticipate when to move or how much to move. I know I'd be perfectly fine if my projector had a feature like this even it it forced a significant audio delay.

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I've actually fallen into the habit of watching a lot of material with my JVC RS57's DI on the dreaded "auto 1" setting. This setting seemed to be universally dismissed especially by the reviewers, with Auto 2 being regarded as more accurate (where Auto 1 purportedly crushes shadow detail more). But when I want the richest sense of contrast, Auto 1 seems to do it, which I believe it's probably due to the more aggressive gamma manipulation. Not for all things, and not when I want the best shadow detail or the most film-like image, but for certain newer movies I find the Auto 1 setting adds a touch more wow factor.
I'll have to go back and take a look. There were only a few scenes I was checking it with where I thought the DG looked a little too aggressive.

I'm still content with running manual -8 to -11 on the HP screen. I think the brightness + large surface area of the HP makes me sensitive to brightness shifts. Once I darkened the room, i'm paying more attention to iris activity on the various projectors. Overall though I think JVC did a great job for round 1.

on that topic, you guys are lucky you get to skip a whole year without thinking of upgrades. I do think something good is brewing for fall 2015.

here is a cool video from when I had the RS57 here, watch it getting a work out trying to keep up with DJ Tiesto's crazy lighting display.

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seegs, art likes your new toy.

Just watch this Sony. That’s all you need to do, to want one. I’ve come up with a mathematical formula to describe the overall Picture: Gorgeous + Stunning = Awesome! OK, I’m getting silly, but then, this Sony is giving me the best picture I’ve seen yet, having reviewed 150+ home theater projectors in the last 8 years

Translation: I’m going to hate giving this projector back to Sony.
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I'll have to go back and take a look. There were only a few scenes I was checking it with where I thought the DG looked a little too aggressive.

I'm still content with running manual -8 to -11 on the HP screen. I think the brightness + large surface area of the HP makes me sensitive to brightness shifts. Once I darkened the room, i'm paying more attention to iris activity on the various projectors. Overall though I think JVC did a great job for round 1.

on that topic, you guys are lucky you get to skip a whole year without thinking of upgrades. I do think something good is brewing for fall 2015.
I'd like to see them add another DI mode that's just a bit less aggressive or change up the DI device so it can move just a tad faster in conjunction with dynamic gamma. Though I suspect if we're to see DG in-picture less it would have to be tied together with a less aggressive DI mode. The DI does multiply native contrast over 10 times. Let's bring it down to around 7 or 8 and see what happens.

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So I can take some measurements of my own and do a much longer comparison than what I got when I was at Mark's house. And possibly make a few more remarks about it that will inevitably piss you off.
You can not piss me off anymore. I now own both a VW1100 and a JVC X500 and I enjoy both and see they both have their strenghts and weaknesses as I have always said. The JVC has actually improved with the latest batch and latest firmware and I can now say I love my JVC and I love my Sony. And I can´t wait until JVC comes out with a 4K laser machine in the future, I will buy it for sure if I can afford it.

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