Originally Posted by darinp2
If the projector is off you wouldn't be able to see the screen in that situation. Unfortunately, with the projector on and limited on/off CR the absolute black can actually look more gray in a room like that.
Do you think the new JVCs would be able to close the iris down enough in that situation, to look "close" to the blackness of the room?
I have a living room setup with off white walls and a theater room that is mostly black velvet (including the floor and ceiling). The black room can make limited on/off CR seem worse in my experience. The black velvet is nice for making the image hang without visible things around it, but I think it is actually some of the brighter scenes that are helped the most by the black velvet. In mixed scenes the reduced reflections are good, but for blackouts the black room can make a projector weakness in the black floor area more obvious in my experience.
I currently have a Sony HW55, but I think I want to switch to the JVC X500.
My viewing env:
- 16' (L) x 12' (W) x 10' (H)
- Tan walls, except the screen wall, it will be flat non-reflective black paint (or hopefully Fidelio black velvet, WAF pending)
- Black tray ceiling w/ fiber-optic star ceiing (the tray starts at ~24" all the way around the room, the tray is black but the surround is white)
- Dark brown carpet (possible black rug, WAF pending)
- All black theater furniture (black cloth non reflective theater seating, black velvet on top of BDI Casata A/V cabinet)
- All black 5.1 speakers (Soundfield Audio L/R/C, Kef Q800ds Dipole Surrounds) and subwoofer (Rhythmik Audio FV15HP) (may all get wrapped in black velvet)
- Black tape already covers all the little LEDs on my equip as well (those are so distracting, but not anymore) biggrin.gif
- Two windows directly behind the seating with black blackout blinds and black curtains
- 2 x 16' motorized curtains w/ black velvet curtain material (1 for each 16' (L) side wall)
- **Still unsure - Screen (120" 16:9) Stewart StudioTek 130 G3, EluneVision Reference Studio 4K (1.0g) or PureBright 4K (2.4g) still waiting on samples of the EluneVision, but should be here next week
I had a projector with 400:1 on/off CR years ago (one of the JVCs back when this is what they had) and in my off-white walled room a totally black image would light up the screen, but it would also light up the room and the wall around the screen somewhat. So, at times it seemed like kind of an illusion where the room was at fault for the front of the room being lit up when it shouldn't have been. Kind of like there was another light source behind me besides the projector, even though there wasn't. In my mostly black velvet room it was very clear on blackouts that the projector was at fault for this bright gray 16:9 rectangle in front of me.
A perfect example of how many variables come into play that affect overall PQ with two-piece front projection.
Ok, cool. Just wanted to be sure we were on the same page.
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