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Did that remove the red reflection I was seeing?

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Jason, how would you compare the 2D of the LG to the Benq W7000. Was gonna pick up either the W1070 or LG as a daytime projector. I know Seegs mentioned it's better than some of the under $1000 dlps he had around.
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seegs it did seem to knock it down a bit, i'll know more later tonight.

I think there is less RBE on the LG vs. the W7000 or the 1070, both of those for some reason stuck out on RBE for me in 2D mode. You can get more brightness from the BQ's but this is working nicely on the HP where I showed in the photo above, getting very good gain. It's almost too bright in high lamp, I was watching Oblivion last night in medium lamp and it looked good.

it's not going to win any awards for low APL scenes but I'm mainly going to be using it for TV which looks great.

It took 3+ years to get to here from the 720P 300 lumen QUMI I bought back in 2011. I already mocked it up with the tripod I use & makeshift screen and i'm happy so far.

this is a good copy, I can get pretty even focus across the 142" and all the desktop icons are legible from seating distance.

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My biggest problem with this projector and why I'd never take the risk and buy one is that LG hasn't provided information about whether or not the LEDs are user replaceable -- what happens if the LEDs fail outside of warranty -- especially at this price point? What's the cost going to be and whose going to replace them? Good god what is LG thinking?
I know. This thing costs as much as two JVC ...........

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Did you see the DPI Cine LED 1000 lumen version or the 600 lumen version that blee also had? I saw the Cine LED 1000 at Mike Garrett's and I was very impressed at the depth and dimension the image had....very impressive. I also saw Mike's Sony 600es that you had calibrated and the colors were awesome. I almost talked myself into getting a Cine LED 1000 but I would've needed an anamorphic lens for it to have worked with my 2.35 screen so I'm waiting till this fall for a 4k projector. I was still very impressed with the Cine LED 1000.

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I am looking forward to more demo's this fall.
That's great. I'm definitely in the market for a 4k projector this year. If JVC has a 4k model with increased lumens and increased ANSI contrast that may be the one, if not I hope Sony comes out with a successor to the 600es.

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That's great. I'm definitely in the market for a 4k projector this year. If JVC has a 4k model with increased lumens and increased ANSI contrast that may be the one, if not I hope Sony comes out with a successor to the 600es.

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I couldn't agree more. This is what I'm after as well. If they can figure out some way to bring us native 4K, higher brightness (around 1300 calibrated lumens), and higher ANSI contrast (at least 400:1) and keep the on/off contrast performance their current generation exhibits I'm all in. I will buy one.
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I couldn't agree more. This is what I'm after as well. If they can figure out some way to bring us native 4K, higher brightness (around 1300 calibrated lumens), and higher ANSI contrast (at least 400:1) and keep the on/off contrast performance their current generation exhibits I'm all in. I will buy one.



Why do you impose such conditions on this projector? Normally you just to buy one of every HT projector out there and shortly resell it?

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I hope they are coming out with a Protostar material for application to the facial skin below ones eyes for use by professional football players to reduce glare. I suspect that use by those in a HT would improve the perceived rather than actual ANSI contrast.

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Why do you impose such conditions on this projector? Normally you just to buy one of every HT projector out there and shortly resell it?
Because that's what I want in an ideal projector. My idea of an ideal projector is still within the bounds of plausible reality. I don't expect 1000 ANSI contrast or miracles at work with JVCs new 4K projector. But I think a 30% increase in ANSI contrast isn't an unreasonable expectation or condition to be met. JVC said they would have something out this year to directly compete with Sony's current line-up of 4K projectors and an increase in brightness and ANSI contrast is definitely something they'd need to give us to "directly" compete. 4K alone isn't enough to "directly" compete. I've many projectors here that I didn't shortly resell after purchasing. I've had a PD8150 here for about 8 months and two JVCs here back to back each for about that long too.

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"Within the bounds of plausible reality." That really has a nice sound to it. When would you think this might happen and what would be the cost? Suppose you threw a whole bunch of money at its attainment, made it a national priority with limitless funding. Then when? And what would be the economic incentive. could the funds be recouped if privately invested and a sizeable profit made? Wwould you invest in such a project?

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I'm not an optical engineer so I don't know how much it would cost. I also don't know if the current ANSI contrast situation with these JVC projectors can be solved purely by putting a new lens in it. The issues may be coming from the light engine prior to the lens. All I know is Mitsubishi released the HC9000 and subsequently the HC5 which gave us very similar 2D performance. We had 20000:1 native contrast, ~1000 lumens of brightness, LCoS micro-displays and a lens that yielded us 400:1+ ANSI contrast. I recently had an HC5 here and I swear to god it uses the same lens as the current JVC chassis design (with a new dynamic iris mechanism) if you read the literature and look at cross sectional diagrams of the each lens they look strikingly similar. Both state 17 elements inside, the construction of each lens looked identical to me (chassis design of the lens and color scheme,other notches and markings look the same) and the exit elements measured the exact same diameter. With that said, the coatings and polish of the elements could have been better which could account for the higher ANSI contrast ratio, or it's a limitation of the design of the light engine prior to the lens? Or maybe I'm just crazy and they aren't the same lens. Either way, if Mitsubishi could give us higher ANSI contrast with similar characteristics in lumen output and on/off contrast in the same price range as the current JVCs are at, why couldn't JVC do it too? Getting more light is easy and cheap, but may reduce the potential to keep the on/off contrast from remaining the same or increasing. I suspect this is why JVC hasn't kept up with Sony in this regard.

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Seegs. the lenses are probably made by the sae Chinese lens manufacturer. The difference could be the use of ED glass in certain elements of one and not the other.

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The W7000 used red flash which definitely affected the black floor.

This is the projector in 3D mode with a 0 IRE screen during 3D calibration

I've been wondering something, those are "compelling" images, but those are not through glasses correct? Do you have similar comparison images shot through glasses? I ask because you shouldn't see the white/red flash correct? It should be blocked by the glasses?

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correct, those are pre glasses but the DLP flash still ends up affecting the image through the glasses. The easiest way to see it was the Acer 5360 since it could handle DLP link or IR with the Nvidia glasses which I still have. When I went back and forth on the same image, the IR imo looked better.

also when I stacked the BenQ W7000 and the Sharp 30K it was evident that lower APL scenes in 3D looked better on the Sharp vs. the BQ even though they are relatively close in native contrast.

BenQ seems to be one of the last hold outs on sticking with only DLP link in their current models. At least Optoma/Vivitek/Sharp has the option for IR or bring your own transmitter by including the VESA port.
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I have had a 'support ticket' in with Epson since the 9th on this subject. On the 10th they were conferring with "our engineers" and yesterday (2/20) they have an "interim reply and we are reviewing the report". They said they will get back to me early next week. I agree that claims of having 4k enhancement of < 4k material is pretty pointless if the audio needs to be delayed to such an extent that most processors/receivers can't handle it.
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Did you ever get a response from Epson on the LS10000 video delay for 4K upscaling?
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[QUOTE=mark haflich;33048577 [/QUOTE] Seegs. The lenses are probably made by the same Chinese lens manufacturer. The difference could be the use of ED glass in certain elements of one and not the other.

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