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While I wait for the new 4K models I use a JVC X500, and the dnp 08-85 is sold and I now use a matte 1.0 gain screen. I am waiting for the SI Pure White 1.3 gain curved sceen to help the JVC a little in the bright end. I am exited to try the SI screen and see if it is as good as they claim, if not I will buy the Stewart ST100.
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YMMV, but I found that the SI Pure White 1.3 material had more sparkles and sheen than the Stewart ST130, but the Stewart ST100 is the best overall. If I had a light treated room like yourself that's the screen I would get, hands down. So long as it's kept under 120", the X500 would light it up just fine for 2D. For 3D you would need a brighter projector or a secondary drop down high gain screen.
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While I wait for the new 4K models I use a JVC X500, and the dnp 08-85 is sold and I now use a matte 1.0 gain screen. I am waiting for the SI Pure White 1.3 gain curved sceen to help the JVC a little in the bright end. I am exited to try the SI screen and see if it is as good as they claim, if not I will buy the Stewart ST100.
I don't think Sony will come out with a better 4K projector. Or at least I don't think we'll see a Sony 4K projector with ANSI contrast or lens quality like we have with the 1100ES again. Your only hope is something great from JVC or Epson. Or possibly a 4K projector from Sim2 or DPI. But I doubt those will possess the on/off contrast to make you happy.
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I really like my Stewart ST100 screen - I have it paired with my JVC RS4810. I will have to change the lamp sooner than if I had a higher gain screen, but lack of screen texture is so nice with it.
I will definitely be getting this screen in my next dedicated theater room. It's the only one out of close to 30 samples I've tested thus far that has not added any artifacts to the image.

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The SI Pure White 1.3 also has no texture and according to SI is very uniform and has no visible sparkle, if this is the case I will keep it.
Maybe you won't be as susceptible to texture/sparkling/sheen as much as I am, but I tested many samples from SI and they were all plagued by those artifacts. Maybe they've made some changes to their design in the past year, but I highly doubt it.

I will say SI does have a good ad campaign and they are friendly and nice to deal with. But I just couldn't recommend any of their screens going off what I've personally sheen, pun intended.

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I will definitely be getting this screen in my next dedicated theater room. It's the only one out of close to 30 samples I've tested thus far that has not added any artifacts to the image.
I can see why it's used in post-production studio work.

Now, I will say the Carada Classic Cinema White sample I looked at and compared was virtually as "clean" as the ST100, but it's definitely a step dimmer and lacks a bit of the vibrancy, but great value for the buck. But I needed the extra brightness of the ST100.
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Just FYI, guys, the most transparent (textureless) screen that I've seen: Screen-Tech screens
Haven't seen ST100 but I can't see the screen being less texture-less.
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Just FYI, guys, the most transparent (textureless) screen that I've seen: Screen-Tech screens
Haven't seen ST100 but I can't see the screen being less texture-less.
I remember researching Screen Tech back when I was actively searching for the unicorn screen for all viewing environments, but there just wasn't enough scientific information and/or reviews that I could dig up and I couldn't get samples, so that turned me off. There's a bunch of tiny companies touting they have the best screens, but I need samples before I hand over my hard earned money.

I will say the new EPV (Elite Prime Vision) DarkStar screen samples I received are quite nice. If I had a brighter projector I would be tempted to get the Dark Star 1.4 (the .9 is just too dark, but would look great with a really bright projector).

Overall though, I'm still loving my JVC X700 + DNP Supernova 2.3 combination. That allows for some serious flexibility over the life of the lamp, and also produces some bright 3D when called for.
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Oh I know, I just don't think it would be a smart move until next year. I mean, with so little content I wouldn't release a full lineup yet. 4K does no one any good without content...
My only point is JVC has historically not released a high end projector that differs significantly from the rest of their lineup. While it seems logical, even most likely that only their RS67 class machine would be UHD, that would most likely mean that their RS49, RS57, maybe even the RS67 (ie the UHD would be a new, higher level machine) would be carried over for a third year.

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...and when I say content I mean content from DirecTV, Dish, Comcast, etc... DirecTV will need to be broadcasting at least 50% of the channels I watch in 4K before it will be worth it to me. And more video games need to be built in 4K. Watching a 4K BD every now and then just doesn't justify the jump for me.
That's going to be a very long tie I suspect, it took over a decade from the first HD broadcast until "most" content was being made in HD. However for me Ultra HD Blu-ray and upconverting (eliminating the last traces of resolution artifacts, jaggies etc) are enough to make a display upgrade worthwhile. That and the general upgrades in performance from my current projector.

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My only point is JVC has historically not released a high end projector that differs significantly from the rest of their lineup. While it seems logical, even most likely that only their RS67 class machine would be UHD, that would most likely mean that their RS49, RS57, maybe even the RS67 (ie the UHD would be a new, higher level machine) would be carried over for a third year.
I agree here. I figure this year they will carry over last years models again (maybe not the RS67/X900) and release one or two (top tier, and possibly mid tier) native 4K models to attract potential buyers. But who knows, I could be wrong. This is purely speculation at this point.

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That's going to be a very long time I suspect, it took over a decade from the first HD broadcast until "most" content was being made in HD. However for me Ultra HD Blu-ray and upconverting (eliminating the last traces of resolution artifacts, jaggies etc) are enough to make a display upgrade worthwhile. That and the general upgrades in performance from my current projector.
I disagree here as 4K is being pushed really hard. Manufacturers are already showing off what's possible with 8K prototypes so 4K needs to be mainstream as soon as possible. With HEVC/H.265 & VP9, and HDMI 2.0a & HDCP 2.2 finally being built into products, it shouldn't be longer than a couple years before we're there.

But again, this is purely speculation and me hoping for the best. Though at the rate technology advances now, this is entirely possible. Fingers crossed...
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I will definitely be getting this screen in my next dedicated theater room. It's the only one out of close to 30 samples I've tested thus far that has not added any artifacts to the image.



Maybe you won't be as susceptible to texture/sparkling/sheen as much as I am, but I tested many samples from SI and they were all plagued by those artifacts. Maybe they've made some changes to their design in the past year, but I highly doubt it.

I will say SI does have a good ad campaign and they are friendly and nice to deal with. But I just couldn't recommend any of their screens going off what I've personally sheen, pun intended.

All the Black Diamond screens have sparkle I know that as I have seen them. But have you seen the Pure White 1.3 screen?

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I was ljust looking at some stuff in Prometheus and there was a spot at about the 34:10 mark where there was a change from looking out the front of a ship to an almost all black image with a small spot above black and then that part got brighter as people with flashlights moved into view of the camera.

This made me wonder how some of the different dynamic systems would handle that. For instance, I wonder what the Epson laser would do. I'm guessing it wouldn't go off completely since I don't think there were any complete blackout frames in the sequence. A person could pause on a frame just after the cut to the dark and see what the black in most of the frame measures, although this might match some Cine4home testing.

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I remember researching Screen Tech back when I was actively searching for the unicorn screen for all viewing environments, but there just wasn't enough scientific information and/or reviews that I could dig up and I couldn't get samples, so that turned me off. There's a bunch of tiny companies touting they have the best screens, but I need samples before I hand over my hard earned money.
I have a sample of ST-HDV screen here, they've sent me one. I made the picture in that thread.
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I disagree here as 4K is being pushed really hard. Manufacturers are already showing off what's possible with 8K prototypes so 4K needs to be mainstream as soon as possible. With HEVC/H.265 & VP9, and HDMI 2.0a & HDCP 2.2 finally being built into products, it shouldn't be longer than a couple years before we're there.
I just don't see all production being in a hurry to upgrade all their hardware again. I mean our local CBS affiliate still hasn't upgraded to HD yet. Sure, maybe next year we'll have a UHDnet on Dish/DTV, and Discovery will probably have some "demo" content networks up too (UHD Theater). And those will probably run for a couple years. But I think it will be a good while longer before the other big networks (ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, USA, TNT, TBS, AMC, etc, etc) have the majority of their production switched over.

Add to that the fact that there's an enormous infrastructure of HD MPEG2 that would need to be replaced for the local broadcast networks to even consider broadcasting UHD. What are they going to do, add a UHD subchannel, and try and cram UHD, HD, and SD into 19.2Mbps? Otherwise everyone has to replace their TVs again to be H.265/UHD compatible.
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