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( the stripes you see in the first picture on the Neo S, is not there in fact, it's my lack of skill as a photographer )
thanks for posting the close up photos. There is good information from Jeff (UMR) in this document he posted earlier in the year.

http://www.accucalhd.com/wp-content/...een_report.pdf
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Jeff does a good job, but he only offers commentary on the screen color. Over at HTshack, they give actual data on the screens.

I know Mechman has mentioned several times that his favorite screen is DNP after testing it. I should ask him if it is still his favorite.

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Jeff does a good job, but he only offers commentary on the screen color. Over at HTshack, they give actual data on the screens.

I know Mechman has mentioned several times that his favorite screen is DNP after testing it. I should ask him if it is still his favorite.
I'll be curious to know what Mechman says as well. Also, which DNP material (which gain)?

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Not sure, I will have to check.

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Well, if I had 6 projectors I guess I would probably do the same. But I'm a poor man with an expensive hobby so I only have one projector that me and the wife share (but it's a nice one that has all the bells and whistles).
Four of my projectors are not worth much, so I keep them around, because I do not want to just give them away.

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Jeff does a good job, but he only offers commentary on the screen color. Over at HTshack, they give actual data on the screens.

I know Mechman has mentioned several times that his favorite screen is DNP after testing it. I should ask him if it is still his favorite.
I have always like the DNP 08-85 material. It throws an excellent image, but gain is low.

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Since you're talking about screens, guys, I want to draw your attention to this topic: Microlite Optical Screen
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Jeff does a good job, but he only offers commentary on the screen color. Over at HTshack, they give actual data on the screens.

I know Mechman has mentioned several times that his favorite screen is DNP after testing it. I should ask him if it is still his favorite.
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I'll be curious to know what Mechman says as well. Also, which DNP material (which gain)?

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I sure do enjoy my JVC X700 + DNP NGHG23 (formerly 23-23) 2.3 gain 120".

Having that high gain makes 3D very enjoyable and keeps the image nice and bright over the life of the lamp. It's nice having the dual iris in the X700 so I can really clamp it down when I have a new lamp and slowly open it up as the lamp ages.

If you had a light canon, the DNP 08-85 .8 gain material would be excellent, but you would need a super bright projector (~3500 lumens) to still have a watchable image with ambient light and 1500 hours on the lamp.
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Four of my projectors are not worth much, so I keep them around, because I do not want to just give them away.
Aw come on now Mike! I'll take one off your hands if you're ever feeling generous.

Also, I'll be contacting you within the next few months for a new bulb for my X700. Any good group buys for discounts on those suckers?
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I am still contemplating grabbing a second X500 next fall, if I can get one cheap enough. Seems a bit silly but boy it would be something to have the iris fully clamped and still be super bright on my unity screen. lol
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I am still contemplating grabbing a second X500 next fall, if I can get one cheap enough. Seems a bit silly but boy it would be something to have the iris fully clamped and still be super bright on my unity screen. lol
Or open them both up and have some uber bright and contrasty 3D.

Or be able to get a secondary screen such as the DNP .8 gain for ambient light viewing.

Or just so you can say you got two fricken JVC X500s (bragging rights)!
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I dont know the XD ( havnt seen one ), so I cant compare that to anything, but :
The texture on the XD looks fairly similar to the texture in the ClearPix 2 that you posted, but not quite as much texture in the XD.

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I have the "old" one of the Clear pix 4K ( Clear pix 2 ), which allready is exellent on the audio AT part, so both of these will have inaudible sound loss IMO.
After asking around a bit I have good reason to believe that the Neo S may be quite a bit dimmer than 1.0 gain. Are you sure of this observation that it is the same as your CP2? If so, perhaps your CP2 is lower than you think? Just asking.

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The CP2 have a spec of 0.95 gain ( Jeff Meier ? did measure it at about 0.9 in real, in his test of screens, and it is the most color neutral screen material of all AT ) and I agree its about that 0.9-0.95 gain, I have samples of both the CP4K and the Neo S ( did get it at ISE ), which I compared to my own scren, and they are not dimmer (if I get time, I will take some photo´s


The weave on my CP2 is a little "rough" and can sometimes bee seen at one picture width distance ( 2,8m from a 2,8 m wide Picture ), not very often, but not completly transparant ( like the ST100 ). The weave on the CP4K is smoother and better, but the Neo S beats it clearly, and look allmost completly smooth !


I will try to take a Picture of them ( CP2, CP4K, EN4K and the Neo S )




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Also are you 100% sure the CP4 is just as bright as your CP2? In the pictures you posted, looking at them in Photoshop, the CP4 appears somewhat darker.

It would be best if we could get some scientific data rather than observations. Do you have a light meter like an i1D3 that you can measure the cd/m2 or ftL coming off the samples? If so here's a quick way I found that works well... Tape the sample gently to your existing screen with painters tape and first test to make certain the tape will come off without leaving a residue. Make sure the sample has the black cloth layer behind it! Put up a 100% full field that then fills your sample. Measure the light coming off the screen. Repeat this with the other sample. You will then know for sure which is brighter and by how much. If you have a ST100 you can use that reading as a baseline for 1.0 gain. Otherwise you can just compare the readings to one another (so you may not know the actual gain, but will know how much brighter one is than the other). If you don't want to tape to your screen you can tape samples to a wall and just have a constant bright light source that doesn't move in between measurements.

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I have always like the DNP 08-85 material. It throws an excellent image, but gain is low.
It looks like that is the one that mechman likes.
http://www.hometheatershack.com/foru...va-review.html

I remember at Infocomm '06, Darin and I were shocked at how bad the DNP screen hot spotted. We looked at their screens at Cedia '11 and I thought they were much better. I don't remember which material we looked at as they had all of them there.


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Since you're talking about screens, guys, I want to draw your attention to this topic: Microlite Optical Screen
They say they will be at Infocomm and Cedia. There is a slim chance I will drive up to Infocomm, but I should definitely be at Cedia. I am sure the whole Cedia gang will go over the screen with a fine tooth comb.

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From my understanding the Neo-S and Neo-W materials are not going to be available in the U.S., only their Enlightor 4K and Enlightor Bright will be available in the U.S.
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They say they will be at Infocomm and Cedia. There is a slim chance I will drive up to Infocomm, but I should definitely be at Cedia. I am sure the whole Cedia gang will go over the screen with a fine tooth comb.
Definitely post your impressions in that topic after you see it.
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LG 1500 review is up.

http://www.projectorcentral.com/lg-p...-review.htm?em

If you want 3D you'll have to import the Korean version. LG lost a sale to me. Very good review.
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I'm not sure I see the point of 3D on an LED projector when it's only around ~700 calibrated lumens in 2D. So what is that going to drop to in 3D - 350-400 max? (that's what happens on the HD91). Then throw in forced use of DLP link. That is not exactly a great baseline for 3D presentation. The Korean model can always be imported if someone really wants it. .

it's a heck of a value compared to a projector like the Optoma HD91 which has similar lumen output. They better do something major with this HD91+ or HD92/93 to compete with a $900 PICO projector.

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That was a very good review and matches my findings + Cinehome as well who was also impressed with this little 1080P power house.
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Aw come on now Mike! I'll take one off your hands if you're ever feeling generous.

Also, I'll be contacting you within the next few months for a new bulb for my X700. Any good group buys for discounts on those suckers?
All of them are in use, except for one. The 720P Planar is sitting in a closet. One of the Marantz is on loan. May just let it be permanent loan, since it is my brother.

You would be surprised at how little the markup is for dealers on lamps., but if you were buying ten of them, we could talk.

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All of them are in use, except for one. The 720P Planar is sitting in a closet. One of the Marantz is on loan. May just let it be permanent loan, since it is my brother.

You would be surprised at how little the markup is for dealers on lamps., but if you were buying ten of them, we could talk.
Yeah, I don't even have anywhere else to put a projector that would make sense...well maybe just having a cheap bright DLP to put on the back porch.

These new JVC lamps are nice, as in they hold their brightness and color really well over their lifespan. But they sure are pricey little buggers.
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You would be surprised at how little the markup is for dealers on lamps., but if you were buying ten of them, we could talk.
Alright JVC owners! Lets seriously get a group buy going so we can get a small discount on lamps from Mike! I'm not sure the best way to start this as I've never done a group buy before, but I'm serious and down for the cause.
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Let's hope this gets things moving more quickly. The faster we all have the capability to stream UHD content, the faster it will be provided to us. This should be the flow: (1)infrastructure, (2)standards, (3)equipment, (4)content.

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If you had a light canon, the DNP 08-85 .8 gain material would be excellent, but you would need a super bright projector (~3500 lumens) to still have a watchable image with ambient light and 1500 hours on the lamp.
I have a Sony HW55 and a 100" 08-85 and I can easily watch sports with the light on and still have a very good picture with good punch, I watch MotoGp with the lights on and it looks better than my 65" Panasonic VT30. But since I have lights spread around the room I can not watch movies with the lights on as the black level suffers, but as long as it is only bright pictures like sports it works perfect. So you say 3500 lumens is not very correct and I have told you that before. I get around 23fl with 500 hours on the lamp in high mode.

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Here's Kraine's review of the LS10000 in case you missed it on the other thread.

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The 3D patterns look good, you should get one. it will handle the tenerax without any issues.
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The 3D patterns look good, you should get one. it will handle the tenerax without any issues.
To be perfectly honest that's the only thing that's stopping me. I'd love to try one (try not buy) to see how it actually handles 3D.
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From the limited amount of time I got to watch 3D with it, I thought it looked excellent. Once I get my 1100ES back from Sony I'll probably be going back to play around with it again. I'll check out some more 3D too. Though, I don't really see how he liked the LS10000 THAT much. It was pretty clear to all three of us in the room my X500 was better overall. There wasn't a single aspect of 2D performance where we thought the LS10000 was better. On par in many areas but not better in any. With low APL level scenes there were several occasions where the limited native contrast of the LS10000 made it look dramatically worse off when compared to the X500. These were darker scenes that had bright highlights which forced the DI implementation on the LS10000 to lower the contrast multiplier enough where you were basically stuck with native contrast and it was clear that the JVC was better. The Epson's dynamic contrast implementation was good though. A bit better in terms of "flickering" which the JVCs can be seen doing as it hunts for the sweet spot to settle on for the content.

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Like all of the non-DLP's, it will handle basic 3D fine. aggressive 3D will still be exclusive to the DLP's for a while. I don't expect any major changes here going forward for the non-DLP's. plateau has been reached and has been flat for a while. only real chance for 3D nuts is better contrast DLP's.

much time has been spent focusing on color performance in the various Epson reviews. At this point, any model in this price range needs to have a near perfect R709 default setting (with excellent saturation tracking) and an easy target for D65. I just calibrated my RS46, 2+ year old base model, much less expensive than the Epson and with a minor D65 cal, it has an excellent D65/R709 calibration that tracks well from 10-100 IRE.

In other words - for $8k, it better be easy to calibrate and is not an accolade imo.
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Those 3d patterns look relatively ugly compared to DLP. No way you or I would make it through a single 3d film unless it was something non aggressive like the highly overrated Avatar or similar!

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Those 3d patterns look relatively ugly compared to DLP. No way you or I would make it through a single 3d film unless it was something non aggressive like the highly overrated Avatar or similar!
stop talking him out of it, I want to know how it handles the tenerax.. it will be fine.

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stop talking him out of it, I want to know how it handles the tenerax.. it will be fine.

Sorry, my bad! What I meant to say is that those patterns look great!

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