Originally Posted by beastaudio
And that is at what, around 1000 lumens where the sony is closer to 1500 lumens. Runco boasts some pretty high fL though which confuses me. Also, how does a runco machine stack up to the big 4 with stuff like motion, contrast (on/off, dynamic, whatever), lag etc? Sorry for being nosey, I just want to know more about their product. Reading their website gets me a little closer but I am an audio guy...the video realm escapes me somewhat. I have never even calibrated a PJ in my space :ashamed:
I've got a Planar 8150 (basically same machine as the LS5, just from before Planar rolled that line under the Runco brand) and a RS4910. How do they stack up? Well this largely echoes Zombie and Seegs' reports already:
: The planar crushes the JVC, I thought I might be able to sell my Planar, but I just can't game on the JVC, it's terrible, where as I'm fine with the Planar, I'm sure someone's got numbers somewhere.
: I can't stand FI, so I don't use that, but native motion, basically, I don't have a problem with either.
: JVC is obviously way better, black level is far superior and with a JVC with a new lamp vs 1400+ hours on my Planar, it's brighter as well, even in low lamp (vs Planar on high), I'd have to go measure just how much I have to pull the JVC back to get them close. All that said, 90-95% of the time, there's very little to choose from between them. It's only in the very darkest scenes that the JVC pulls ahead. It's really pretty amazing considering the 8150/LS5 is an 8 year old design. It was among, if not the best projector under $10k when it came out, and it's still the best DLP projector under $10, probably by far unless you want 3D.
Of course there are some other, potentially smaller things:
: The Planar is basically perfect out of the box, and stays essentially perfect indefinitely. The JVC starts out good, but develops a "gamma droop", and "needs" calibration. I'd say the JVC needs periodic maintenance to keep it in top form. I know before I touched up the gamma with my Lumagen (manually) the "depth" of my JVC's picture fell below that of my Planar, despite having better contrast.
: The JVC has rather finicky HDMI inputs, it takes a good bit longer than the Planar to lock on to signals. Also there's no IR input jack, so I find the remote control to be not as reliable. I run my system with a URC MX-880 via an MRF-350 with IR (either stick on emitters or direct cables) to every device but the JVC. My Planar never fails to power on or off with this setup (direct IR cable) but the JVC will occasionally miss a power on or off.
Actually, I occasionally debate if I'll keep my 4910, it surely throws a very nice picture, but given I "need" to keep my Planar for gaming, and given how close they are most of the time, I sometimes have a hard time justifying the (admittedly very reasonable) cost of the 4910 in addition. I suppose part of it was, when I got the RS4910, I assumed I'd be able to get rid of one machine, either it wouldn't live up to the hype and I'd sell it, or it would crush my Planar and I'd sell the Planar. Reality is a lot more gray than that. It seems I'm not quite the contrast junky that a lot of folks here are. Side by side/back to back the differences are pretty obvious. But the counter example is this: I have friends over for movie night quite often. We usually start with some food watching some entertaining show we all like, followed by some gaming. I start with the Planar 8150 since I need that for gaming, I don't think anyone really finds anything "lacking" in that setup. I then fire up the JVC for the main feature once the gaming is done. And it's definitely not a "night and day" sort of thing. Really the most obvious difference between the two is in a fade to black, the JVC can hold the illusion of black much longer than the Planar.
I suspect my tastes/senses are pretty close to zombie and Seegs given my RS4910 experiment has basically confirmed for myself what they've reported. But I don't think I'm quite as hard on DLP as Seegs is. A good DLP can hold up remarkably well against the latest LCoS/DiLA, though at the same time I know they really can't sell that on the marketing front.
On last word, if picture quality and price were equal, I'd take a Runco over a JVC any day, at least based on my Planar the build quality and overall "refinement" are noticeably better.