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A barely on topic observation from my trip to the LG booth at the CNE (Canadian National Exhibition):

LG had their big 105" superwide 2:35:1 AR curved screen display set up. It was attracting lots of enthusiastic attention. Though
visitors didn't mention noticing it was a wider AR per se, the display seemed to have much more attention-getting impact I think because of it. Everyone was saying it looked like their dream display. Unfortunately it was only showing shots of Hong Kong, no movie content.

But I have to say as a projector owner it sure is hard to be impressed even with a display that size. I'm so used to widescreen images much larger in my home, and of as good or better image quality. Throw in the $130,000 CAD price tag and it sort of became chuckle-worthy. Fun to see, though.

Maybe if one day if OLED gets even bigger...
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LG seems focused these days on OLED so hopefully that benefits us in the future. I saw some pricing on the 55" and 65" 4K displays, it's just too expensive for me for such small screens.

The screen size dictates if you have a media room or a home theater.
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A barely on topic observation from my trip to the LG booth at the CNE (Canadian National Exhibition):

LG had their big 105" superwide 2:35:1 AR curved screen display set up. It was attracting lots of enthusiastic attention. Though
visitors didn't mention noticing it was a wider AR per se, the display seemed to have much more attention-getting impact I think because of it. Everyone was saying it looked like their dream display. Unfortunately it was only showing shots of Hong Kong, no movie content.

But I have to say as a projector owner it sure is hard to be impressed even with a display that size. I'm so used to widescreen images much larger in my home, and of as good or better image quality. Throw in the $130,000 CAD price tag and it sort of became chuckle-worthy. Fun to see, though.

Maybe if one day if OLED gets even bigger...

Just think how big a screen you could have if you had a $ 130,000 projector / screen budget. " You're going to need a bigger house " !!

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On a different note, I was at Best Buy Magnolia the other day just casually browsing and a sales guy came up to me and we started talking. We got on the topic of front projection and it was funny how clueless he was. I told him I had a JVC. "Oh, those projectors are really not that bad...," as he implied they were not good either. I didn't bother asking him what he thought was good. I sort of just humored him listening. I told him my scope screen was 9 feet wide and he responded, "Wow, isn't that like a 300" screen?" Funny stuff.
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On a different note, I was at Best Buy Magnolia the other day just casually browsing and a sales guy came up to me and we started talking. We got on the topic of front projection and it was funny how clueless he was. I told him I had a JVC. "Oh, those projectors are really not that bad...," as he implied they were not good either. I didn't bother asking him what he thought was good. I sort of just humored him listening. I told him my scope screen was 9 feet wide and he responded, "Wow, isn't that like a 300" screen?" Funny stuff.

Fact is most mortals have no idea just how good we have it. So many times I go to a dinner party of family event and they are bragging about there "massive" 65in LED. I can't imagine there are too many homes that can top a fully velveted room with a JVC or 4k Sony. Or even the avg projector setup for that matter, size means alot and the image quality of projectors is there as well.
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I was watching Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol on my JVC RS57 last night and I started really noticing the DI. In some scenes with shots changing from dimmer to brighter shots, it looked really bad because it would take a while for the picture to dim down for a dark shot, then a while for it to swing back brighter for a bright shot. It was quite intrusive and I started wondering if my DI was starting to malfunction or something since I never notice it like this.

But then I realised I'd had the IRIS open all the way up because I was using a large image size and the bulb had enough time on it to be somewhat more dim, hence opening up the iris. And I remembered that if you have the iris set in the upper limits close to wide open, the
DI has wider swings to attempt and becomes more obvious. So I presume this is what was happening.

It made me realise that would be another benefit to the purportedly higher light output of the new JVCs coming out (again, if the rumors are true). Having some more horsepower for a bright image but at an iris setting that won't freak out the DI.

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I was watching Mission Impossible Rogue Nation on my JVC RS57 last night and I started really noticing the DI. In some scenes with shots changing from dimmer to brighter shots, it looked really bad because it would take a while for the picture to dim down for a dark shot, then a while for it to swing back brighter for a bright shot. It was quite intrusive and I started wondering if my DI was starting to malfunction or something since I never notice it like this.

But then I realised I'd had the IRIS open all the way up because I was using a large image size and the bulb had enough time on it to be somewhat more dim, hence opening up the iris. And I remembered that if you have the iris set in the upper limits close to wide open, the
DI has wider swings to attempt and becomes more obvious. So I presume this is what was happening.

It made me realise that would be another benefit to the purportedly higher light output of the new JVCs coming out (again, if the rumors are true). Having some more horsepower for a bright image but at an iris setting that won't freak out the DI.

This makes sense, I run my X500 with the iris wide open and find the DI can be really busy at times.

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It made me realise that would be another benefit to the purportedly higher light output of the new JVCs coming out (again, if the rumors are true). Having some more horsepower for a bright image but at an iris setting that won't freak out the DI.
You may recall that at last year's CEDIA the design of the DI for the new JVC projectors was such that if somebody enabled the DI the iris would go to full open to white. Some of us asked for the ability to pick the most open position whether using the iris in static mode or dynamic mode and were told that it was just too late for dynamic mode. I decided to still try to explain why this mattered so at the very least it would be considered for the future.

I ended up being impressed that JVC seemed to listen to some of us and got this feature in before release.

Now it would be nice if this year they added an option to pick the most closed position. Maybe those who are most sensitive to DI artifacts could find a good compromise, like a 3x-5x multiplier from static on/off CR to dynamic on/off CR and those who want a bigger range could choose that (or a person could choose based on material or mood).

I hope they improve the DI algorithms, but either way some kind of control for how closed to the iris goes would be a nice feature even if it just had a few choices.

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I was trying to break the RS57 iris in this video - high paced techno concert with rapid APL changes, That iris is moving!

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You should make that video with your Planar and compare

See what an anamorphoscopic lens can do, see movies the way they were meant to be seen
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You may recall that at last year's CEDIA the design of the DI for the new JVC projectors was such that if somebody enabled the DI the iris would go to full open to white. Some of us asked for the ability to pick the most open position whether using the iris in static mode or dynamic mode and were told that it was just too late for dynamic mode. I decided to still try to explain why this mattered so at the very least it would be considered for the future.

I ended up being impressed that JVC seemed to listen to some of us and got this feature in before release.

Now it would be nice if this year they added an option to pick the most closed position. Maybe those who are most sensitive to DI artifacts could find a good compromise, like a 3x-5x multiplier from static on/off CR to dynamic on/off CR and those who want a bigger range could choose that (or a person could choose based on material or mood).

I hope they improve the DI algorithms, but either way some kind of control for how closed to the iris goes would be a nice feature even if it just had a few choices.

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With JVC's high native contrast, that would be a really good feature. It would boost the contrast and yet make it very hard to tell that a dynamic iris was even being used.

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I was trying to break the RS57 iris in this video - high paced techno concert with rapid APL changes, That iris is moving!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnTtqowCn_o
I'd consider Tiesto's earlier work to be more Trance than Techno. I saw him perform live at Tomorrowland in Belgium in July. The choreography of all the lights, lasers, fireworks and bracelet LEDs was astonishingly good. To see it live in person was amazing.


Mind you, there was over 100,000 people at the main stage during his set. It was packed.

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in my day it started with house, then techno then the hypnotic trance. sounds like a great concert to see in person.

on a separate note, Mad Max is out today, get your copy!

http://www.amazon.com/Mad-Max-Fury-B...dp/B00XQ141W8/

it looks remarkable on a good 3D DLP. 1 impression part of the filming is the night scenes. They were smart how they did this - everything was a deep blue but still quite bright,. even in 3D mode.

The sound track will shake a house with the right setup. Butt Kickers were working overtime. I liked it more the 2nd time I watched it, big fan of the original series. definitely demo material when guests come over.

There is a forum thread called "Is 3D dead yet" - apparently it isn't. they keep coming out with these great looking 3D movies that at least some of us are enjoying in our HT setup. I get that genpop didn't embrace it in the home, but I also don't see genpop with 7.1 setups or Atmos. All future Marvel movies will be in 3D, still plenty of Animations to come, Avatar 2, Pacific Rim, etc. still some things in 3D to look forward to. 2009-2016+, not a bad run for 3D considered how short lived it was in the 50's and 80's./
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I'm definitely going to check it out on the Z17K. Then on the 1100ES. Just curious is there's a huge difference in performance between the two when it comes to 3D.
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There is a forum thread called "Is 3D dead yet" - apparently it isn't. they keep coming out with these great looking 3D movies that at least some of us are enjoying in our HT setup. I get that genpop didn't embrace it in the home, but I also don't see genpop with 7.1 setups or Atmos. All future Marvel movies will be in 3D, still plenty of Animations to come, Avatar 2, Pacific Rim, etc. still some things in 3D to look forward to. 2009-2016+, not a bad run for 3D considered how short lived it was in the 50's and 80's./
VR is coming and it's all about 3D. 3D is just getting started -- Why? Because when you finally get to see it the way it was meant to be seen you realize there's no going back. To quote Jack Nicholson -- "You want real? You can't handle real (Or something like that )."
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