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post #13591 of 14247 Old 01-24-2016, 12:38 PM
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Mornin'! 2 questions for this epic and long running thread.

Zombie, are you still (hopefully) at some point going to display in detail with photos taken up close to the screen what you were seeing with 1080P and 4K sources when comparing the Sony 1100ES and the JVC RS600? I know you showed what was happening with the micro posterization going on in tiny groups of detail, or rather obscuring detail, with the Sony. That was an eye opener and might explain a lot of the apparent "sharpness" of that projector from seating distances. Anyway, it's always a treat and awesome when you do those visual expositions with your screen grab camera skills and knowledge of what you're describing.

Secondly, what is it exactly about 3D that "with a pristine source" such as Pacific Rim ..... that looks soooo damn "clear" and allowed me yesterday to sit less than 1 screen width back from my 2.8 HP 8'5" wide 16x9 screen?? I could never do that with a pristine source 2D bluray, either with this great iteration of eShift4 or with the razor sharp 1080P images I'm getting from my RS500, with my first experience with the newer even tinier pixel gaps. But my one limiting factor yesterday since my screen bottom is only 18" off the floor.... was my head starting to create a shadow. I think visually I might have been able to go another 1/2 foot closer or more. Which is one damn BIG 16x9 image. I have never waxed poetic as others do with movies and being drawn into them and losing myself in 2D in my theater. But with the absolutely clean images of that transfer and the tremendous 3D and things making their way out of the plane of the screen as well toward me, oh yeah Baby I was there. Could only imagine if seeing it for the first time. Same feeling a bit later under water with IMAX Under The Sea. It's like I was down there in the reef it was so "CLEAR". The Potato Cod .... holy crap his nose looked like real life just 12" from my nose being seated that close.

3D on these JVCs with the stunning dynamic range and 25-30 2D FL brightness off the HP screen instead of old school, dim ass 3D FL = mind blown for me

Just catching up on this thread after a weeks worth of new puppy duty but to address your comment about wanting to sit closer with a pristine source, I think IIRC we talked about this a number of years back and as I remember it seemed to be based on the depth of field clarity which made your brain think you were sinking into or part of the scene/picture and thus the closer you sit the more "real" it feels to your brain.

When we first got the RS50 my wife and I would often sit in our front row suede game chair rockers (~5ft from the screen), because it just made us feel like we were there (like some IMAX presentations do when done well). Now we've just gotten too lazy and sit in our normal spot (~1.25 SW away), and it still looks awesome.
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Seegs108 continues to comment like an expert on the Epson LS10000, but AFAIK he still hasn't seen one updated with the new firmware, so I would take his comments with a grain of salt. Deja Vu owns an Epson with the latest firmware as well as owning both the RS500 and RS400, so I personally value his opinion.
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Do you know how many more lumens they got out of it with the new firmware?
Do you know what the new firmware number is?
A couple hundred lumens it seems. The version is V130 if I remember correctly.
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I just wish there was some way to verify any of these JVC claims since there is nothing from them in writing. As can be seen in old Cine4Home reviews, increasing lamp power from normal to high does nothing to contrast. So I don't think the loss of contrast proves the RS400 has a different light engine. I think only Cine4Home can give us the answer if they take them apart again this year.

I can say that I saw zero improvement in banding/posterization during rapid movement compared to last year's model. The hammock scene on the FPD Benchmark disk is still riddled with banding on the girl's arm. So the 12-bit processing (if true) is doing nothing there. Maybe it's something that only helps with HDR.
Have you tried motion enhance on high to see if that changes anything during rapid movement. I have the rs500 and it did appear to improve motion. However I am not sure if the panels on the rs400 and rs 500 are the same.
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I cant see a blanking/masking function to adjust the four picture sides in the manual for the LS10000, doe it not have the feature?

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Anyone in Ontario Canada that wouldn't mind letting me see their RS600 would be appreciated. Please pm me..I've contacted 1 member but to no avail yet but I need to make a decision in the next few days.

I Spent a few hours with an Epson LS10000 on my 224" diagonal cinema-scope screen but I must say I was very disappointed from what I saw with Blu-ray in comparison to my Sony 500ES 4K PJ so in a size this big 4K enhancement just didn't cut it so I am interested to see if the JVC 600 will do a better job, it's the only one left for me to see before I decide which model I need to upgrade to for UHD Blu-ray that is on the horizon. As it stands the Sony 1100ES is on my top list only because I can get it for just a little higher than the JVC here locally through my channels but the Sony is still not future-proof it's missing things that the JVC has and I am not about to spend $60K on the 5000 I would by another car before doing that, very expensive PJ's are just not a good investment.
Chris, how did the LS10K brightness look on that large screen? The RS600 is about 1300 in low lamp (~ 17 feet from my 142" 16:9) and 1800 in high lamp.

if you like the Sony reality creation scaling / processing, you may not like the JVC either.

Why are you looking to update the 500ES? The updated model to this doesn't offer much difference in PQ, just a few changes like the HDR support.

I would hold on the VW1100 as a consideration. no HDR support, no full HDMI 2.0 bandwidth, etc. There's also some potential contrast issues which is being discussed in another thread.
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Since the LS10000 has new firmware v130 why do all the Epson websites still state the lumens are 1500 when the new rating is 1750 from projectorreviews.com?


Can anyone still tell me does the LS10000 have any masking/blanking feature like the JVCs?

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they list 1750 as the 'brightest' mode which is generally not close to D65.

Citation4444 - have you measured your lumen output since the firmware update?

DV- since you have all 3 projectors, it would be good to see some info on this. Is the RS400/500 about the same brightness in low lamp vs. the Epson in high?
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Can anyone still tell me does the LS10000 have any masking/blanking feature like the JVCs?
I don't see this feature in any of the user menus, so I'm pretty sure it doesn't have it.
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they list 1750 as the 'brightest' mode which is generally not close to D65.

Citation4444 - have you measured your lumen output since the firmware update?

DV- since you have all 3 projectors, it would be good to see some info on this. Is the RS400/500 about the same brightness in low lamp vs. the Epson in high?
Why is it so difficult to find out any info on the new firmware update?
Ive contacted Epson NZ and Australia and they know nothing of it!
Does this mean if you buy one you take pot luck getting the updated version or not?


Do the Epson websites reflect the new update in the specs or not, they are rating it on their site at 1500, is that the new or old rating?


What was the date this firmware was applied and is it easy to do it at home, if you can find the update anywhere???


All very odd the secretive nature on this LS10000 update v130

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Why is it so difficult to find out any info on the new firmware update?
Ive contacted Epson NZ and Australia and they know nothing of it!
Does this mean if you buy one you take pot luck getting the updated version or not?


Do the Epson websites reflect the new update in the specs or not, they are rating it on their site at 1500, is that the new or old rating?


What was the date this firmware was applied and is it easy to do it at home, if you can find the update anywhere???


All very odd the secretive nature on this LS10000 update v130
If I remember correctly the firmware is available via Epson's website and if not one of the members here can provide it if necessary.
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If I remember correctly the firmware is available via Epson's website and if not one of the members here can provide it if necessary.
Will it be the same for all country's?

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My Jvc X5000 RS400 is absolutely perfect, by far the best projector that I've had so far. And I've had a few.
Well that's what you get for not spending the $1700 or so for the hand picked parts and reference top of the line JVC, or even the mid line RS500. You chose to cheap it out and now you're in here to compl...... uhhh .....errrr

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Well that's what you get for not spending the $1700 or so for the hand picked parts and reference top of the line JVC, or even the mid line RS500. You chose to cheap it out and now you're in here to compl...... uhhh .....errrr

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Epson continues with their marketing info on Color Brightness and White Brightness - Has anyone measured after the firmware update to see what the actual D65 output is in it's highest mode?

Color Brightness (Color Light Ouput): 1500 lumens1
White Brightness (White Light Output): 1500 lumens1

1 Color brightness (color light output) and white brightness (white light output) will vary depending on usage conditions. Color light output measured in accordance with IDMS 15.4; white light output measured in accordance with ISO 21118.


JVC might be the first this year to actually get it right with their advertised marketing #'s. In the past, they would list max brightness (nowhere near D65) @ 1300, realistically ~900. This year it's pretty darn close. 0 hour calibration I had ~1800 lumens @ D65 which was better than the VW1100 at the same throw by about 200 lumens. (also w/ 0 hour lamp).

3D on the JVC was brighter by about 300 lumens (~900 vs. 1200+, both @ near D65 behind the glasses).
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Why is it so difficult to find out any info on the new firmware update?
Ive contacted Epson NZ and Australia and they know nothing of it!
Does this mean if you buy one you take pot luck getting the updated version or not?


Do the Epson websites reflect the new update in the specs or not, they are rating it on their site at 1500, is that the new or old rating?


What was the date this firmware was applied and is it easy to do it at home, if you can find the update anywhere???


All very odd the secretive nature on this LS10000 update v130
The latest firmware for all the Epson projectors are at a special web location that is not accessible from the links on the corporate website. I have sent you a PM with a link to the website. I'm disturbed that nobody knows in NZ or were not willing to share it with you. It is easy to install.
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The latest firmware for all the Epson projectors are at a special web location that is not accessible from the links on the corporate website. I have sent you a PM with a link to the website. I'm disturbed that nobody knows in NZ or were not willing to share it with you. It is easy to install.

I find this often, many of the distributers know less about there products than us guys do!


Can you tell me what fixes there are with the new firmware for the LS10000 please?

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I find this often, many of the distributers know less about there products than us guys do!


Can you tell me what fixes there are with the new firmware for the LS10000 please?
I wish I knew all the changes that were made in v1.30. Actually, there have been several FW updates to the LS10000 since I bought mine, none of which were known to us users until I pressured Epson to give the site to me. For me, since I went from v1.15 to v1.30, it was like getting a new projector. e-shift was drastically improved, sharpness seems improved, brightness was improved, colorimetry was improved. I am guessing they reworked all the Super-resolution/4K Enhancement algorithms as they are much improved. I'm sure Epson has a list of improvements/fixes for each FW update somewhere, but I sure don't have it. Maybe one of the other LS10000 owners has such a list?
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I wish I knew all the changes that were made in v1.30. Actually, there have been several FW updates to the LS10000 since I bought mine, none of which were known to us users until I pressured Epson to give the site to me. For me, since I went from v1.15 to v1.30, it was like getting a new projector. e-shift was drastically improved, sharpness seems improved, brightness was improved, colorimetry was improved. I am guessing they reworked all the Super-resolution/4K Enhancement algorithms as they are much improved. I'm sure Epson has a list of improvements/fixes for each FW update somewhere, but I sure don't have it. Maybe one of the other LS10000 owners has such a list?
This all sounds very good, would love to know the fixes!


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Will the firmware be ok to us on a NZ/Australian model?

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Will the firmware be ok to us on a NZ/Australian model?
I know it's the same in Europe, so I'm pretty sure it would be the same in NZ.
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Has anyone measured after the firmware update to see what the actual D65 output is in it's highest mode?
if the firmware updated the brightness - what is the before / after? thanks
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Anyone else watch this tonight?

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it might be the first time I watched a TV show in 13 years

it looked excellent in HD (VZ FIOS) with the JVC @ -11. The last time I watched this show in 2002 it was in SD on a 50" rear projection unit that was just terrible in every way.

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Chris, how did the LS10K brightness look on that large screen? The RS600 is about 1300 in low lamp (~ 17 feet from my 142" 16:9) and 1800 in high lamp.

if you like the Sony reality creation scaling / processing, you may not like the JVC either.

Why are you looking to update the 500ES? The updated model to this doesn't offer much difference in PQ, just a few changes like the HDR support.

I would hold on the VW1100 as a consideration. no HDR support, no full HDMI 2.0 bandwidth, etc. There's also some potential contrast issues which is being discussed in another thread.
I am under the assumption that the Sony VW500ES that I've had for almost 2 years is not HDCP 2.2 compliant & won't play the new UHD Blu-ray that is coming in, I hope I'm wrong here and if so there is no need for an upgrade at this stage. I've been absent from this forum for a couple of years so I haven't had time to catch up on all the new toys yet and what one does over the other. Really though, because the unit is 2 years old I swear I was certain it wasn't HDCP 2.2 compliant so if it is and someone can chime in here problem solved.

The LSK 10000 did pretty good not bad at all on my screen but the Sony is brighter.

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Since the LS10000 has new firmware v130 why do all the Epson websites still state the lumens are 1500 when the new rating is 1750 from projectorreviews.com?


Can anyone still tell me does the LS10000 have any masking/blanking feature like the JVCs?
Regarding a masking feature...
There is a limited ability using the "Overscan" function under Signal Settings -> Advanced -> Overscan, it changes the projected image ratio to make the edges visible by a selectable percentage or automatically. There's options for 2%, 4%, 6% and 8%.
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Regarding a masking feature...
There is a limited ability using the "Overscan" function under Signal Settings -> Advanced -> Overscan, it changes the projected image ratio to make the edges visible by a selectable percentage or automatically. There's options for 2%, 4%, 6% and 8%.

So re is no Masking feature to blank any of the four sides like the JVCs and Sony have, what a shame its a great feature.

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First the Pizza Hut projector - now this..state of the art home cinema viewing.

http://www.firebox.com/product/7391/...ma?via=related

The darkened interior of the box replicates the cinema experience with astounding accuracy and if you're looking for even greater authenticity, just slot in the cardboard audience silhouette and you'll feel right at home.

This has the Google VR / Oculus Rift beat hands down and is much cheaper. Plus it's fully ECO / Recyclable.
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This VW520/665 review was posted a little while ago but worth a re-read

https://www.avforums.com/review/sony...r-review.12100

it's odd they didn't include a P3 filter in this model. It looks like they ran into gamma issues. It's not clear why Sony went with a 2.2 and 2.4 setting and skipped 2.3. The gamma should be configurable with the image director software but don't recall any recent discussions on the forum from those that may have used it. At least JVC provides the 3 built in gamma controls + the 12 point controls in the free calibration software.

Some info on the 3D performance:

Finally we gave 3D content a quick blast on the VW520ES and were treated to a very average performance for such a high-end machine. We know 3D is no longer the focus of manufacturers, but it has also been around for a number of years now and you would think that as a technology it should have matured well and just work. Well sadly the VW520ES is not the best 3D projector we have seen and it had real issues with crosstalk and ghosting, even in some not too difficult scenes. We also had issues with the background appearing blurred and appeared to be inverted on occasions. We have seen this before with Sony VW models and the VW500 that Steve tested two years ago was similar. It didn’t make watching 3D a disaster, it just could have been so much better than it was and it becomes tiring after a while.

If someone was looking at the VW665 as a consideration this year, it might make more economic sense to get the RS400 as a hold over until new 4K units are released next year. it's going to be as bright, if not brighter, much better native contrast and noticeably better 3D for a lot less $$.

I'm curious if Sony will refresh all the current models (maybe finally release a VW1200 with full HDMI 2.0, HDR, etc). Also if Epson and JVC will debut native 4K models in only 8 short months from now.
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Two years ago I almost bought the Sony 600. It would have been a real financial stretch and mostly on the expectation of higher brightness and better 3D. I went with the JVC RS57 instead and was happy I went that route, once I saw the black level performance. Now I'm glad I waited until JVC offered a high brightness projector with their native contrast, with even better 3D performance than I would have had from the Sony, and for less money.
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If someone was looking at the VW665 as a consideration this year, it might make more economic sense to get the RS400 as a hold over until new 4K units are released next year. it's going to be as bright, if not brighter, much better native contrast and noticeably better 3D for a lot less $$.
This is exactly why I'm reading this thread. I should be starting my theater build soon and was originally planning on using my PD8150, but needed a short throw lens. Then I said why bother spending 1K on something that'll be replaced fairly quickly. I was steadfast in the Sony camp, however after reading pages and pages, I'm now more in the JVC camp. I guess it all depends on how fast my build goes, but right now I see the 400 in my future.

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