Originally Posted by zombie10k
I know folks are getting excited for the upcoming Epson 5040 but just a few reality checks that will be curious to see how it plays out once Cine4home does the first preview. The reporting media close to Epson will be filled with 'OMG - best picture ever' but we've been down that road many times and always prefer to wait for the info from our trusted sources.
- Epson has been stuck on that odd lumen rating that has no relevance to D65. The 5030's advertised #'s
are off by a mile compared to real measurements at D65. Are they really going to be able to crank out 1800+ D65 lumens and 'outshine' their laser model by almost a factor of 2?
Color panel uniformity
- Panasonic and Epson were previously in a battle for honors of worst panel uniformity. hide those 10-50 IRE partterns.. Is this a new LCD panel that can make a noticeable difference from it's predecessors?
- typical for the 5030 was around 5000:1 at mid throw and the iris didn't do much. What to expect for the 5040? Can they double it? triple it?
- 5030's makes a heck of racket in high lamp mode, hopefully they made some major progress in this area.
- 5030's LCD is one where I could see the occasional SDE @ 14 feet from my 142". Any changes here? I know the e-shift will mask it but want to see how it looks in 1080P non-shifted mode.
- 2016 JVC's surpassed the 5030's ability for x-talk, how will it perform on the new models?
I think it's great they are releasing something new that has current features in this price range. I'm sure the big question in the fall will be 'Epson 5040 vs. RS400'. Since Epson's prices are generally fixed, I am guessing JVC will do another 'pre-order' price this year which is a quite the bargain for those that participate in it.
Also, what is Sony going to do with the HW65 in this price range? Replace it with something similar? Their only major, remaining advantage over JVC and Epson is the low lag time.
having owned a couple of previous epsons and now a couple of jvcs…. I've got a little bit of respect for epson…but also know full well what the jvcs are capable off….
bang for buck, I found the previous epsons incredible. and look thats probably going to be hard to beat. and for those on a budget am sure a very viable option will remain….warranty is another one….my epson had a 3 year warranty INCLUDING the bulb…which was pretty amazing. not sure they will repeat or any other brand has anything similar at the price range.
flexibility, of installation too the espon was king …in my setup anyways with its zoom range. the jvc second and the sony a bit borderline… though these things might change.
new optics, am pretty wrapped to read epson has upgraded its optics with all glass… this will help no end…probably another serious challenge to sony who in my opinion has been getting away with sub par optics for just about one enough with their lower range product.
light engine and reliability, one achilles heel with the epson though has been their light engine I do hope they have done something there, my first epson it went to the grave on just that…and there was really no fix apart from replacing light engines and putting refurbed average light engines into the unit wasn't really good enough each had their issues… and replacement with new was all that helped. reliability really an issue with epsons…that 3 year warranty sure helps, both my units made their fair share of trips to the doctor…and while service was always prompt and friendly….I notice my local doctor for them has shut up shop and I always wondered what life would be like post warranty ? my last jvc had no issue to be attended to in the 3 or so years I owned it. my x7000 first unit was really a DOA with so many issues I can only imagine it was an early escapee of their QA/QC systems… service from jvc was second to none though and the replacement unit has been faultless !
screen door, on the epsons not as bad as previous 720p LCDs though still not in the league of the jvc….I do wonder if something addressed with in this new series or they going to just rely on e-shift I wonder ? the jvc are amazing in this regard though e-shift or not for my use anyways
3D indeed was excellent with the last series epson…certainly better than the jvc x35 I owned after…but yes the current range of jvc has surpassed ! no question !
light output, the epsons I suspect like previous models will win here…but at what cost. my last two espons were really only accurate on eco low lamp setting…. the jvcs really rein supreme here low output or high,
Iris, the last epsons … the iris was never manually adjustable like jvc have. so can't really tweak to optimise for output… the auto iris on the epsons was quite noisy … not really useable is actually my surmise… as would distract quite a bit…am not sure this is something they will improve with the new series….but jvc have this mastered … the dual iris and an auto iris that works away seamlessly
black levels, i really don't car what anyone says here…. but I saw a clear and very obvious unmistakable jump up in black levels going from the epson to the jvc. and this even in my lounge room setting ! which does have good light control but is far from black hole conditions ! so if epson take a jump on jvc in black levels man I would say they would really need to pull a rabbit out the hat here…a bloody big one… !
at end of it I agree with you zombie there will be a lot of hype….look good on epson quite frankly… like they did with 3D they are a conservative company…but a giant ! and what they come up will I am sure will work….but there will be compromises …. kind of compromises you have to make to pull something in within a cost.
I have absolutely no doubt this will win a lot with the price point
the big question though remains on their laser model….will it stay with e - shift for 4k …. I suspect it will. will it gain light output …will it gain like its little brothers full HDR bt2020 support … suspect it will
.. this is probably the real jvc/sony challenger ! the world doesnt sit still, can't hold back the pace of progress