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Pretty simple, their core market isn't audio/videophiles. Blu-ray playback is a convenience feature, not a primary one.
Atmos is being marketed pretty heavily, even for non-audio/videophiles. Hell, my mom asked me she should get an Atmos soundbar even though she has no idea what it is. My question is, how much more could it possibly cost them to include the ability to bitstream? Is there any advantage they gain from ignoring it?
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And what about games that can come with Atmos?

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Atmos is being marketed pretty heavily, even for non-audio/videophiles. Hell, my mom asked me she should get an Atmos soundbar even though she has no idea what it is. My question is, how much more could it possibly cost them to include the ability to bitstream? Is there any advantage they gain from ignoring it?
Bitstreaming probably breaks their whole sound mixing engine. Remember the Xbox One is a hypervisor, with the games and system OS running in separete Virtual Machines. The whole system is setup to have thing going in parallel, you can drop out of a game to the main menu, and still have the game running in the background. I'm not sure how bitstreaming fits into that architecture.
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Bummer, time to cancel the order.

The good news is I won't feel bad about spending the money put aside for the Xbox on the GTX 1080... come to papa. 😎
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The good news is I won't feel bad about spending the money put aside for the Xbox on the GTX 1080... come to papa. 😎
I'm eyeballing a 1080 as well, but I'm concerned about the uncertainty surrounding ripping UHD blu rays. I love not having to hunt through hundreds of movies on a shelf anymore. It'll feel like a huge step backwards if that's the experience when I move up to 4k .
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I'm eyeballing a 1080 as well, but I'm concerned about the uncertainty surrounding ripping UHD blu rays. I love not having to hunt through hundreds of movies on a shelf anymore. It'll feel like a huge step backwards if that's the experience when I move up to 4k .
it will happen soon enough. every lock has a key.

I'm mainly getting it for the gaming and also some HTPC use (scaling w/ MadVR), etc.

speaking of HTPC, it's time to build a new storage array. My last one from 3 years ago (~30TB RAID 6) is getting filled to capacity, trying to think about what is next that will hold me over for a few more years. Likely a 24 bay chassis to start with.
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it will happen soon enough. every lock has a key.

I'm mainly getting it for the gaming and also some HTPC use (scaling w/ MadVR), etc.

speaking of HTPC, it's time to build a new storage array. My last one from 3 years ago (~30TB RAID 6) is getting filled to capacity, trying to think about what is next that will hold me over for a few more years. Likely a 24 bay chassis to start with.
That's some pretty heavy duty storage. What are you doing for backups? Are you doing ISO rips and what player are you using to ensure zero quality loss?

I wouldn't mind doing this, but I've always stuck to disc for quality purposes.
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That's some pretty heavy duty storage. What are you doing for backups? Are you doing ISO rips and what player are you using to ensure zero quality loss?

I wouldn't mind doing this, but I've always stuck to disc for quality purposes.
years of ISO rips of my 2D and 3D BD collection. I've been using the Mede8ter for years for playback and now the Dune 4K Solo as well since it handles full BD Menu which is a nice feature.

~60 TB would be the target for the new setup.
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Some early info from Projector Central on the 6040

http://www.projectorcentral.com/epso...ge=Performance

Looks like it still loses ~70% of it's light to hit Rec.709.

It's interesting that the Digital Cinema preset is brighter than the Cinema.
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years of ISO rips of my 2D and 3D BD collection. I've been using the Mede8ter for years for playback and now the Dune 4K Solo as well since it handles full BD Menu which is a nice feature.

~60 TB would be the target for the new setup.
How do you handle 3D playback?
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What is it about the LCD technology that causes so much loss in light compared to the torch modes? The same thing happened on the Panasonic 8000. Massive drop in lumens @ D65.

on the 5030 the living room mode can be tamed to near D65 but the gamma isn't right. We need to see how far off D65 those torch modes are. Hopefully cine4home will have some info soon.

My JVC is safe for another year.
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How do you handle 3D playback?
On the Mede8ter I rip ISO -> 3D MKV (zero loss on video or audio but it's just the movie file) but on the Dune 4K Solo I just use the 3D BD ISO since it does a good job with ISO's.

I have the choice of full BD menu to get to the extras or BD Lite which let's me jump right to the movie with quick scrubbing through timeline, etc.

Swapping UHD discs on the Samsung feels like going back in time. hopefully they figure out the same method / playback devices in the next few years.


BvS will be here next week, looking forward to seeing the 3D BD vs. UHD.
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What is it about the LCD technology that causes so much loss in light compared to the torch modes? The same thing happened on the Panasonic 8000. Massive drop in lumens @ D65.

on the 5030 the living room mode can be tamed to near D65 but the gamma isn't right. We need to see how far off D65 those torch modes are. Hopefully cine4home will have some info soon.

My JVC is safe for another year.
Personally, I was expecting a few hundred lumens more. At least 1200. I remember when one of those 5040 threads first opened and I mentioned something about how I highly doubted this unit was brighter than a 665ES in a P3 mode, I was told that I was calling the procalibrator who "calibrated" these units a liar. My guess was that it only had a D65 greyscale calibration and color was not calibrated. In my mind I thought this was the ONLY way something like this could be pulled off. It was that or the 665ES had some serious hours on it, or it was in low lamp mode and/iris closed pretty far. Obviously that original showing at CE week was no proper comparison. And the calibrator or Epson should have disclosed some more details on how both were set up. I wouldn't be surprised if the Sony was slightly out of focus or something too.

Also, we're you ever actually worried your JVC was going to be threatened? I think not. I'm excited to see contrast numbers.
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1:15 the Epson product manager is asked what the D65 lumens will be. The response is immediate discussion of 2500 lumens for color / white, I don't think he understands what the question is.

The calibrator should have provided full disclosure of his results for each projector but I get that this was a conference to show off a new product and it's going to be presented in the best light possible to gen-pop.


kidding on the JVC. RS600 is the best choice for the velvet pit right now. it's nice to be able to go back through my library and relax a bit and finally watch a movie end to end.
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1:15 the Epson product manager is asked what the D65 lumens will be. The response is immediate discussion of 2500 lumens for color / white, I don't think he understands what the question is.
That's being generous, I bet they know, and don't care or can't do anything about it, so they dodge the question and fall back to their "color brightness" BS.
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On the Mede8ter I rip ISO -> 3D MKV (zero loss on video or audio but it's just the movie file) but on the Dune 4K Solo I just use the 3D BD ISO since it does a good job with ISO's.

I have the choice of full BD menu to get to the extras or BD Lite which let's me jump right to the movie with quick scrubbing through timeline, etc.

Swapping UHD discs on the Samsung feels like going back in time. hopefully they figure out the same method / playback devices in the next few years.


BvS will be here next week, looking forward to seeing the 3D BD vs. UHD.
Ok, I'm not up on the ripping terminology, but I get that you've been able to rip and play-back 3D. I had thought that at one point that wasn't possible. (Or maybe I'm mixing that up with the Kaleidescape system).

I'd love to leave physical media behind like you mostly have. But for various reasons have not got into
ripping stuff.
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I like to remux my movies to MKV to save on space but mostly because when I present the movie it can be done to resemble a commercial movie theater. No menus, no load times, no need for remote control presses to start the movie. I can also show brand new movie trailers like you'd see in the theater too.
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I like to remux my movies to MKV to save on space but mostly because when I present the movie it can be done to resemble a commercial movie theater. No menus, no load times, no need for remote control presses to start the movie. I can also show brand new movie trailers like you'd see in the theater too.
I'm thinking I need to go through the process of doing this - I've always ripped to .ISO (so have about 400 odd now) but after using a Kaleidescape system, I now see the benefit in being able to load straight into the movie directly from the cover art, rather than end up in the blu-ray menu first.

Do you (or anyone else) know of a good piece of software that can extract the movie and soundtrack from an .ISO file to generate a lossless MKV?
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MakeMKV. I'm fairly certain it can go straight from ISO, but worst case you just mount the ISO and rip it like a disc.
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Most people use MakeMKV but if you're more technically inclined I'd recommend eac3to. You need to use command prompt with it but it's far more versatile.
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MakeMKV will go direct from ISO to MKV. It can also extract MVC 3D as well so you can get a 1:1 3D MKV with full frame 3D playback. I did this for years since the Mede8ter didn't handle ISO's well.

The Dune 4K excels here and can play back 2D and 3D BD ISO + full menu or just quick launch of the movie so I get the benefit of full BD menu or the ease of the MKV format.
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Thanks guys, looks like the ideal solution, I'll give is a go!
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Most people use MakeMKV but if you're more technically inclined I'd recommend eac3to. You need to use command prompt with it but it's far more versatile.
I'm curious, how so? What can it do that MakeMKV can't?
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I'm curious, how so? What can it do that MakeMKV can't?
It has a lot more audio options. It can reencode audio to your hearts content.

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Ah, well I don't want that anyway, I just want the original bitstream
It comes in handy when I want to keep something like director's commentary or something like that. I'll reencode that from Dolby Digital to aac and save a bunch more space.
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Yeah, I don't save any of those either, if I really want that, I can go find the disc. Kind of like the rest of the extras.
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Motion Judder!

Guys Im curious to see what most of you think or do about motion judder on 24fps content (Blu rays)

I have hated this problem for years and have never liked any of the frame interpolation techniques used on any projectors.
Im currently still using the JVC X9000 which I love, but I leave all blur settings turned to OFF.

I currently use JRiver/Madvr these days with all my ripped 800 + BDs.
Ive been setting everything to 60Hz and using Madvr's "Smooth Motion" only. I certainly have lost everything connected with judder, but still 24fps movies will never look like 60fps films sadly


What do others do regarding judder?
Dylan I'm so pleased you helped me regarding playing mixed content 24,50,60 etc etc.. all at 60Hz with madvrs smooth motion, I have no more slow syncing issues with the JVC.

But still nothing is perfect with 24fps BDs, its so disappointing.....

I have noticed that you cant use any of the blur settings on the JVC X9000 when you use 60Hz/madvr as you introduce judder again... Have you tested that Dylan? I would love to know your thoughts why do you get judder when engaging blur reduction on the JVC + 60Hz/madvr/smooth motion????

Is anyone else dong what Im doing here, if so what are your thoughts?


Dylan are you playing content at 60Hz with madvr+smooth motion?

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I have to admit, I've never really seen any motion judder on blu-rays unless there has been a specific frame rate mis-match somewhere in the video chain?

There is motion blur for sure, on fast moving pans etc, which Motion Enhance (not CMD, which is awful) in the JVC seems to help with, but it was my understanding that motion blur was something of a weakness of LCoS projectors (compared to, say, DLP).
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