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I don't know if it is your DSP. Maybe it is the MKII not muting the low-end before power off. That is, I get a power on thud with the MKII if my subs are on when I turn on the MKII and one on off if I don't shut down my subs first.
It's definitely the DSP model of the iNuke. There's entire threads dedicated to modding them to eliminate the power down thud that results from cutting power to the amp rather than using the switch on the front.
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The Panamax 5400 is 15 amp. If you are running a 6000DSP and two XLS1500, when pushed, those three together easily exceed 15 amps.
Yeah, I even have it plugged into a 20 amp dedicated circuit AND I'm running 5 XLS1500's using 9 channels in addition to the iNuke. I rarely watch anything over -7 and it has never tripped. In fact, I ran dual 20A circuits for this purpose but haven't had a need to use both. Transient peaks likely exceed 15A but nothing is ever sustained long enough to be an issue in my experience. @Stoked21 turned me onto the Panamax and he's a EE...go figure!
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Yeah, I even have it plugged into a 20 amp dedicated circuit AND I'm running 5 XLS1500's using 9 channels in addition to the iNuke. I rarely watch anything over -7 and it has never tripped. In fact, I ran dual 20A circuits for this purpose but haven't had a need to use both. Transient peaks likely exceed 15A but nothing is ever sustained long enough to be an issue in my experience. @Stoked21 turned me onto the Panamax and he's a EE...go figure!
I must be hitting higher transient peaks in my system, because I had to add circuits. I have 3- Inukes, 3-crowns, 1-Brhringer EPH, 1-Nady and 1-Rane. I have six 20 amp circuits now. Before I added the last two 20 amp circuits, I was tripping 20 amp breakers with some of the amps paired on a breaker.

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I do sometimes play movies at reference and have big subs, pushing into the single digits.

Corrected the number of circuits for my equipment. Have six, not five.

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this is going to keep me busy for a while.



I could easily hide 4 of these in the room if I wrap them in velvet.

deadpool approved

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I could easily hide 4 of these in the room if I wrap them in velvet.

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Which driver is that? (looks like Ultimax 18)
What size box?
What are you going to power it with?
Are you going to add any boost down low?

PS. You just opened up Pandora's box.
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Which driver is that? (looks like Ultimax 18)
What size box?
What are you going to power it with?
Are you going to add any boost down low?

PS. You just opened up Pandora's box.
it's the Ultimax 18" + PE 4cf sealed box, very nice kit with the fit / finish. Just have to glue it all together soon.

I'm going to pick up the inuke 6000 DSP

i've been avoiding this rabbit hole for years, now that the video is locked in for another year + full velvet blackout + 7200WA + ATMOS ceiling speakers it's time to shake the house.

The DIY threads are impressive, major bang for the buck vs. ID or commercial.
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it's the Ultimax 18" + PE 4cf sealed box, very nice kit with the fit / finish. Just have to glue it all together soon.

I'm going to pick up the inuke 6000 DSP

i've been avoiding this rabbit hole for years, now that the video is locked in for another year + full velvet blackout + 7200WA + ATMOS ceiling speakers it's time to shake the house.

The DIY threads are impressive, major bang for the buck vs. ID or commercial.
It is a big cost savings if you do not count your labor, tools purchased, do not have to put a good finish on the box and can place a pro amp in a remote location. The first sub or two that you build will most likely not save you much over an ID sub company, just including the added tools needed. From then on it gets cheaper. People often get into DIY for the ability to get larger boxes and or special form factors. One of my subs is 8CF, after driver and bracing are taken into account and weighs 220lbs. Imagine what the cost for shipping would be on a prebuilt sub of that size and weight. Form factor plays a big part in DIY also. My LCR's have 18's in them, but I needed the completed speaker to fit into a space only 12" deep.

Anyway, for your room, I would recommend four of those subs. Then your HT will move to a different level.
Congrats on the sub. Looking forward to your eye opening revelation.
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it's the Ultimax 18" + PE 4cf sealed box, very nice kit with the fit / finish. Just have to glue it all together soon.

I'm going to pick up the inuke 6000 DSP

i've been avoiding this rabbit hole for years, now that the video is locked in for another year + full velvet blackout + 7200WA + ATMOS ceiling speakers it's time to shake the house.

The DIY threads are impressive, major bang for the buck vs. ID or commercial.
4 of those will definitely be the hookup. You are going to love it. I will say, with all the measurement gear you have for video, you'll still want to get yourself either a UMIK-1 (preferably calibrated from cross-spectrum labs) and install REW on a laptop, or buy the omnimic system for a couple hundo. OmniMic definitely costs, more, but the ease of being up and running and measuring in less than 5 minutes is quite nice. REW can be problematic on setup until you get the hang of it.
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PS. You just opened up Pandora's box.
He's in big trouble now.
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Yeah, I even have it plugged into a 20 amp dedicated circuit AND I'm running 5 XLS1500's using 9 channels in addition to the iNuke. I rarely watch anything over -7 and it has never tripped. In fact, I ran dual 20A circuits for this purpose but haven't had a need to use both. Transient peaks likely exceed 15A but nothing is ever sustained long enough to be an issue in my experience. @Stoked21 turned me onto the Panamax and he's a EE...go figure!
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I must be hitting higher transient peaks in my system, because I had to add circuits. I have 3- Inukes, 3-crowns, 1-Brhringer EPH, 1-Nady and 1-Rane. I have five 20 amp circuits now. Before I added the last two 20 amp circuits, I was tripping 20 amp breakers with some of the amps paired on a breaker.

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I do sometimes play movies at reference and have big subs, pushing into the single digits.

I run 9 xls1500 (actually only 7 active) plus a single channel on inuke 3000dsp. Jvc rs400 and everything on same circuit. I only watch at reference....never tripped the breaker. Knock on wood. Front two jtr caps are on a different circuit.

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I run 9 xls1500 (actually only 7 active) plus a single channel on inuke 3000dsp. Jvc rs400 and everything on same circuit. I only watch at reference....never tripped the breaker. Knock on wood. Front two jtr caps are on a different circuit.
An XLS 1502 can draw 250 watts. An Inuke 6,000 draws 620 watts (looked at mine), so a 3,000 should draw 310. That means a max wattage of 2,060 could be drawn. A 15 amp circuit can handle 1,800 watts. So you could be exceeding the circuit. If you are pushing your system to reference levels, I am surprised you are not tripping breakers.

Four of my amps draw a lot more wattage, around 1,200 each, so I can't pair them together. That means four circuits just for them. That is why I have six 20 amp circuits.

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JVC AUTOCAL / Spyder 5

The RS600 is right at 300 hours and wanted to run through a cal since it's been a little while. I originally had the Spyder 4 and wasn't happy with the quality of this specific copy. for gamma it was fine but color was off a bit.

I decided to pick up a Spyder 5 and see how it matches up against my calibrated ID3. I got very lucky with this one, it's excellent. I know manni01 has the opposite experience so there must be some variances between the different copies.

JVC autocal is a great value-add for those willing to take the time to learn and a minimal investment. Just being able to get a quality gamma curve is worth the benefit alone. It also nailed 10-20 IRE Greyscale which has been bugging me for a little while and didn't want to use the mini 3D to correct it.

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3am gluing and clamping, what did I get myself into..

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Ok, it's official. I accepted an offer on my house today so I'll be moving into an apartment in about a month or so.

I'll be selling off most of my theater gear (you can see what all I have if you follow the link to my build, in my sig) so if anyone is interested just shoot me a PM and I'll let you know if the item you're interested in, is for sale. I have all the original packaging for everything. The screen will be the hardest to ship as it's rigid, so maybe that will be easier to sell locally.

If I don't get any hits from anyone within a week, I'll list it all separately in the Classifieds. I just want to give the people that know me a little, first dibs.

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Why im reading about subwoofers in this thread ??? wtf
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Have anyone put up any comparisons between Epson 6040 & JVC RS400/500 ? Or maybe Epson is still too freshh.. Just need to make up my mind between RS400 / 6040 ..
a little distraction while waiting for new projectors.

did you decide between the 6040 and RS400/500? there has been a lot of discussion on this in the various threads and here as well.

One of the current topics in the 5040/6040 threads is HDR gaming issues with the current consoles, the 10.2GB HDMI setup is not helping here.

Next year the 5050/6050 is likely going to have FI in UHD mode and 18GB chipset. Similar to the updates of the 5010->5020->5030, there has to be a feature update path for the next 2 years for this chassis.

also some rumors that JVC may have a gaming mode in their next release (not the 35K model) so that is something to watch out for in the next few months. If that's the case, it will make choosing between the Epson and JVC a little easier for gamers.
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a little distraction while waiting for new projectors.

did you decide between the 6040 and RS400/500? there has been a lot of discussion on this in the various threads and here as well.

One of the current topics in the 5040/6040 threads is HDR gaming issues with the current consoles, the 10.2GB HDMI setup is not helping here.

Next year the 5050/6050 is likely going to have FI in UHD mode and 18GB chipset. Similar to the updates of the 5010->5020->5030, there has to be a feature update path for the next 2 years for this chassis.

also some rumors that JVC may have a gaming mode in their next release (not the 35K model) so that is something to watch out for in the next few months. If that's the case, it will make choosing between the Epson and JVC a little easier for gamers.
Actually i did made a decide, wasnt hard cause i got my brand new JVC X5000 (rs400) in 3100€ (3350$) and Epson was 3000€.. pretty f*cked up prices here in Fin atm.
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I received my copy of The Force Awakens 3D Blu-Ray yesterday and had to watch it last night (got 1/2 way through before bedtime).

Wow, what a tremendous experience on the RS600! The 3D on this movie is fantastic and for me adds hugely to the viewing experience. Star Wars is about entering another world, and 3D brings that world alive. I've watched TFA in 2D numerous times, but in 3D every shot seems a new revelation. I'd seen TFA in 3D in the theater and thought the 3D was excellent then, though the theater didn't have very good contrast. But 3D with the RS600's contrast and I have to say the 3D version will be my go-to for watching this film.
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I received my copy of The Force Awakens 3D Blu-Ray yesterday and had to watch it last night (got 1/2 way through before bedtime).

Wow, what a tremendous experience on the RS600! The 3D on this movie is fantastic and for me adds hugely to the viewing experience. Star Wars is about entering another world, and 3D brings that world alive. I've watched TFA in 2D numerous times, but in 3D every shot seems a new revelation. I'd seen TFA in 3D in the theater and thought the 3D was excellent then, though the theater didn't have very good contrast. But 3D with the RS600's contrast and I have to say the 3D version will be my go-to for watching this film.
+1 I thought the 3D added a ton of immersive feeling to the film, this was a remarkable 3D conversion. They have it down to a science now.

I saw this at 2 premiere IMAX theaters (KOP, PA and Orlando) and the mid-low APL scenes looked much better on the RS600/HP combo vs the theater.

I'm looking forward to seeing Rogue One, we'll be talking about that 3D BD in 1 year from now.

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+1 I thought the 3D added a ton of immersive feeling to the film, this was a remarkable 3D conversion. They have it down to a science now.

I saw this at 2 premiere IMAX theaters (KOP, PA and Orlando) and the mid-low APL scenes looked much better on the RS600/HP combo vs the theater.

I'm looking forward to seeing Rogue One, we'll be talking about that 3D BD in 1 year from now.

#3D_is_not_dead

Are you using clear motion drive on 3D titles? It defaults on still on my RS600 and I usually leave it on as I find 3D can benefit from some added smoothing of motion. Though last night I turned it off for Star Wars to leave it more film-like. I might turn it on for more of the frantic battle scenes though.
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+1 I thought the 3D added a ton of immersive feeling to the film, this was a remarkable 3D conversion. They have it down to a science now.

I saw this at 2 premiere IMAX theaters (KOP, PA and Orlando) and the mid-low APL scenes looked much better on the RS600/HP combo vs the theater.

I'm looking forward to seeing Rogue One, we'll be talking about that 3D BD in 1 year from now.

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Great to hear the 3d is so good on TFA. I have this on tap for Fri night. Excellent audio/bass in this film as well (I rented the 2d blu when it first hit)!
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Are you using clear motion drive on 3D titles? It defaults on still on my RS600 and I usually leave it on as I find 3D can benefit from some added smoothing of motion. Though last night I turned it off for Star Wars to leave it more film-like. I might turn it on for more of the frantic battle scenes though.
it's interesting you mentioned this. I didn't even realize until 1/2 way through the movie that it was on and thought it looked great. I never use it on 2D content but I think it behaves differently with 3D, it's more subtle.

This is the company that did the conversion, they have quite a catalog of 3D titles including Titanic and the Marvel movies.

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it's interesting you mentioned this. I didn't even realize until 1/2 way through the movie that it was on and thought it looked great. I never use it on 2D content but I think it behaves differently with 3D, it's more subtle.
It does seem to help with 3D, and I hate it on 2D. Interestingly, the moment I would switch the glasses from to 2D (no other changes), all the sudden the dreaded SOE would rear it's head. Switch the glasses back to 3D mode, and it would be back to fine again.
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Epson 5040/6040 HDMI Compatability chart posted by Epson support

Epson posted an FAQ on signal input capability, they must be getting a lot of emails based on the conversations in the owners thread with capability for different devices.

The info about the Samsung UB8500 output HDR @ 4:4:4 8 bit is not correct.


it's almost a guarantee they will add the full bandwidth chipset for the 5050 next year.

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Finished watching The Force Awakens last night. This might be my favorite 3D movie so far.

Then I watched some of The Art Of Flight in 3D (just got that copy not long ago) and made the image more IMAX-like in size immersion (for my room) and wow, what an amazing 3D image! Felt like I was up there riding the peaks.

Watching some of the Hockey game tonight - sports have never looked as effortlessly brilliant and vivid.

The RS600 continues to strut it's stuff, even after almost a year, I still enjoy how the bar has been raised in my home theater.
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Well?? . . . (to hear how these sounded in your room; especially an Atmos/DTS:X LFE heavy track)
I ran into 1 problem. 2 of these are going to turn into 4 faster than I thought. Much like high native contrast - 18" subs are very addicting..!!

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I ran into 1 problem. 2 of these are going to turn into 4 faster than I thought. Much like high native contrast - 18" subs are very addicting..!!

i'm making a build thread in the DIY section, i'll post a link to it. impressive so far with just 1, second goes online tonight.

Can't wait to follow your new thread. Building my Dual 18s in January
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Those subs should be illegal within city limits.

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Those subs should be illegal within city limits.

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Four 18's are a good way to go. I have one sub, nearfield that is especially suited for going low.
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