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you know that movie looks great in a velvet pit with the iris cranked down.. I had the DVHS copy of it, it looked amazing at the time vs. the laserdisc.

When is your 9500 arriving?
Pending the sale of the 7000. Had one guy make an offer, which I accepted through Ebay, then he is MIA even after a convo with him where he asked for my phone number... Pretty darn odd to make an offer and vanish...

Oh well, if I sell it before Wednesday I should get it when I get the new one a few days after I get back from my holiday (Which I leave for this Wednesday). Otherwise will have to move this unit when I get back before I get the new one.

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http://www.avsforum.com/cyberlink-an...drive-bundles/

this is happening faster than I expected, end of February 2017 release of the player / software bundle.

folks are bent on the 7th gen Kaby Lake requirements for the DRM. I'm currently building a 7700K rig with the new Samsung 960 Pro NVMe drive and will likely grab this kit just to see how how bad it is.
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this is happening faster than I expected, end of February 2017 release of the player / software bundle.

folks are bent on the 7th gen Kaby Lake requirements for the DRM. I'm currently building a 7700K rig with the new Samsung 960 Pro NVMe drive and will likely grab this kit just to see how how bad it is.
So... I could edit 4K and 8K RED RAW video on my machine but not play UHD-BR because of some stupid new CPU? HAHAHAHA.

I think I will wait for AACS to be cracked (Which I bet you will be the following month or two) and then rip all my discs and play them through MadVR thank you very much.

Screw you Play Ready.

Once again, copy protection punishing those who actually try to do things the right way, forcing us to do things the wrong way.

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Made a little contrast measuring box... Should help with ANSI measurements hopefully, should be able to make it so only the black squares go inside the box and dont mess with the readings. I guess it will help with On/Off too in that way.

We'll see how it goes a bit later.

Lined with adhesive velvet from the local hardware store... I guess its a lot like protostar.





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Made a little contrast measuring box... Should help with ANSI measurements hopefully, should be able to make it so only the black squares go inside the box and dont mess with the readings. I guess it will help with On/Off too in that way.

We'll see how it goes a bit later.

Lined with adhesive velvet from the local hardware store... I guess its a lot like protostar.


I think Darin did this a few years ago, let us know how you make out.

I generally drap velvet over the front of the JVC to make sure none of the light is reflection back when measuring native.



How come you guys don't have a T10 yet?

The 813 and other inexpensive meters are ok for general use but a calibrated T10 is definitely a recommended meter especially for the JVC's.
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How come you guys don't have a T10 yet?

The 813 and other inexpensive meters are ok for general use but a calibrated T10 is definitely a recommended meter especially for the JVC's.
Yeah but that's like $1000AUD!

I definitely know I want to buy a spectro before I spend that kind of cash on a better light meter.

I know I know... I want one, its just another super expensive toy I need to pony up for.
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I got my Minolta CL-200 (same capabilities as the T10) for a fraction of the cost of a new one on the used market. Just keep your eyes open.
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I think by the time OLED "wallpaper" becomes available at sizes and prices that would start competing with projectors, which will be many, many years still, projector technology will also have evolved to a point where they can stand their ground against them. .....
We will see I sure hope that in three years we will see 100" OLED screens for $10,000. That day I ditch my projector
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Wow ! 92" and theyre cutting them down from there ! id probably take a 92"
I will take one too for <$9,000 may be in three years

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Edit: 12/13/2015 - adding screen adjustment mode table

edit: 12/14/2015 - added link to Manni's excellent primer on 2016 JVC Autocal software.

http://www3.jvckenwood.com/english/projector/screen/

JVC makes it hard to find the user manual - for those interested, here is a PDF of the full manual for the 2016 models.

http://hometheaterphotos.com/project...016_Manual.pdf

Basic settings / Menu options

The first option you choose when setting up the projector is the 'Picture Mode'. examples, film1, Thx, Natural, etc. I always go for 'User1' to start with because this becomes my '2D Low' setting (you can change the profile username unlike the Sony which is a PITA).

Once this is selected, you can then choose the 'Color Profile', 'Gamma Setting' and also the 'Color Temp'.

From there, you can set user adjustments for each selection. So for Color Profile in 2D low, I select 'Custom1' with the CMS turned off. This is as close as it gets to an R709 setting with good saturation tracking. For Gamma, I choose the user mode where you can set a specific baseline such as 2.3. For the color temp, also a user mode where you can set a baseline of 6500K which then allows specific adjustments to the gains and offsets.

So when I'm done calibrating the projector, I end up with 3 picture modes. 2D Low, 2D high and 3D high. When going into 3D, you must manually change the picture mode or it will be in 3D, but in either 2D low/high picture mode, depending on what you were watching in 2D.

Here are some example screenshots to follow from the description above:

Picture Mode



In this screen, you can see I renamed 'user 1' to '2D Low' - this makes it easier to identify which mode to select.



going into the picture mode menu, you will see the following options. If you would like to lower the iris, change the 'lens aperture' setting to manual - then adjust the iris to your liking - then turn 'auto2' back on. This will now use the dynamic iris, but only go as bright as your set iris level.



to understand what the 'Clear Black' setting does - look at the description and example below. I like to keep it on low or medium and iris set to 'Auto 2'



going back to the picture mode settings, here is what the 'Color Profile' setting looks like



Also for 'Color Temp' - you see I started with a 6500K baseline, this wasn't perfect out of the box and needed some adjustment as expected. I had to pull down some red and green for the gains and green and blue for the offsets. Greyscale tracking is good when adjusting 30/80 IRE but will need some help @ 5-20 with the help of the auto-cal software + meter.

Note: this is just for my specific JVC, most projectors will be different. Without calibration equipment, leave these settings at 0.



Gamma Setting - set it to 'Custom 1' and choose 2.3 as the baseline.



Details from JVC on the Picture Tone, Dark Level and Bright Level settings.

My recommendation - find a number of scenes in a movie you are familiar with and try the various adjustments. You'll quickly see what each setting does and can adjust to your liking.



This is obviously not a substitute for a full calibration, but a good general overview of how to get started - especially if you have never worked with the JVC menu system. If you have any questions, please post them in the thread for discussion.

** Please see this link for a detailed discussion on the JVC auto-cal software. Currently it requires a Spyder 4 Pro or Elite, Spyder 5 support will be added sometime in Q1/2016.

JVC Calibration Software V6 For 2015 Models (X9000,X7000,X5000,RS400,RS500,RS600)

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Can I just plug these numbers if I don't have time or want to calibrate?

Paid for calibration once on my RS35U felt like I got ripped off $450
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Can I just plug these numbers if I don't have time or want to calibrate?

Paid for calibration once on my RS35U felt like I got ripped off $450
Hi, all the settings are fine for a basic setup except for the RGB values as these are unique to the greyscale calibration of my RS600 at the time I wrote this last year.

Which JVC do you have, the 2016 or 2017 model?
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We will see I sure hope that in three years we will see 100" OLED screens for $10,000. That day I ditch my projector
I still like the size of my 122" 16:9 screen better -



Although you would be closing in on me compared to my 128" diagonal 2.35:1 screen !


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Hi, all the settings are fine for a basic setup except for the RGB values as these are unique to the greyscale calibration of my RS600 at the time I wrote this last year.

Which JVC do you have, the 2016 or 2017 model?
2016, I didn't think they were going to release any new ones at CES usually it is at CEDIA
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I still like the size of my 122" 16:9 screen better -



Although you would be closing in on me compared to my 128" diagonal 2.35:1 screen !

I have a 10 feet wide screen 2:35 so I know.
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Although you would be closing in on me compared to my 128" diagonal 2.35:1 screen !
Scope will be much bigger on your 2:35 screen though. That's the thing with 100" flat panels - scope looks too small and you lose the "scope look" with black bars on the top and bottom.
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Scope will be much bigger on your 2:35 screen though. That's the thing with 100" flat panels - scope looks too small and you lose the "scope look" with black bars on the top and bottom.
One of the many things that has impressed me about OLED is that when watching in the dark there are no black bars. There is absolutely zero distinction between the black of the bars and the black of the space around the screen. The screen looks like it is a scope screen, and no masking is required. Very impressive.

I've often thought that if I ever had a large 100"+ OLED as my main movie screen I'd put some real effort into figuring out a way to rig a system that would allow me to move it forward for scope content to increase the perceived image size. Perhaps some sort of motorized arm mount or a motorized sliding shelf.
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Scope should ideally be the same height but wider than 16:9.

If you have a large 16:9 flat panel, use an external processor so the screen is IMAX and run CIH along the middle, with 16:9 at the same height. Allow aspect changing movies to use the full height as they are CIH with IMAX.

I doubt anyone will do that though.

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I still like the size of my 122" 16:9 screen better -



Although you would be closing in on me compared to my 128" diagonal 2.35:1 screen !

Even farther apart with scope. A 100" diag. 16:9 will give you 22.35SF for scope and your 128" diag. 2.35 is 40SF. Nearly double the size. Need large sized scope OLED or maybe CIA OLED for those with high ceilings.

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So... I could edit 4K and 8K RED RAW video on my machine but not play UHD-BR because of some stupid new CPU? HAHAHAHA.

I think I will wait for AACS to be cracked (Which I bet you will be the following month or two) and then rip all my discs and play them through MadVR thank you very much.

Screw you Play Ready.

Once again, copy protection punishing those who actually try to do things the right way, forcing us to do things the wrong way.
I missed this . . so what are we thinking here, AnyDVD decryption (once the crack the copy protection) might allow us to rip copies of UHD discs without requiring the Kaby Lake CPU's? Presumably we'd need one of the new drives?
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I missed this . . so what are we thinking here, AnyDVD decryption (once the crack the copy protection) might allow us to rip copies of UHD discs without requiring the Kaby Lake CPU's? Presumably we'd need one of the new drives?
I hope so, I have no interest in using PowerDVD. Who here really thinks Cyberlink is going to do a good job, or even support anything beyond the bare minimum functionality (ie HDR or Rec.709 output).
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I think it's going to be terrible and can't wait to try it anyway...



beast mode, easy 5.0Ghz OC adding another GTX 1080 for SLI. The 960 EVO is a screamer, ~4-5 second boot times.




unbelievably quiet even at full tilt. this was a good time to upgrade, it's been a few years.

I'll order that UHD kit when it's avail in late feb
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Hi, all the settings are fine for a basic setup except for the RGB values as these are unique to the greyscale calibration of my RS600 at the time I wrote this last year.

Which JVC do you have, the 2016 or 2017 model?
RS 600 2016 model I thought 2017 is RS620?
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One of the many things that has impressed me about OLED is that when watching in the dark there are no black bars. There is absolutely zero distinction between the black of the bars and the black of the space around the screen. The screen looks like it is a scope screen, and no masking is required. Very impressive.

I've often thought that if I ever had a large 100"+ OLED as my main movie screen I'd put some real effort into figuring out a way to rig a system that would allow me to move it forward for scope content to increase the perceived image size. Perhaps some sort of motorized arm mount or a motorized sliding shelf.
LOL, you think like me, my man! I'd want to do the same thing too.

In fact, I did. When I got my first plasma in 2002 I put it on one of those scissor-type extension wall mounts, so that it could sit flat against the wall for normal viewing, but when I wanted a more immersive FOV I just pulled it out, extending the screen closer to my seat. Worked quite well. (Until I got a projector, and now nothing will make that 42" plasma look anything but postage stamp size )

Since I vary my image size, what I find is that the smaller I zoom the image, the more punchy/contrasty/sharp and "flat panel like" the image can become. Quite a vivid image though, is still achieved at sizes on my screen far larger than available flat panels, or sizes likely to be available any time soon.
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3D fans - want to clear a room full of kids quicker than you can blink?

Check out Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children (Note to self, this is NOT a kids movies..!)

https://www.amazon.com/Peregrines-Pe.../dp/B01LTHN5SG

I double dipped as usual when a title is released in 3D and UHD. I much preferred the 3D vs. the UHD HDR & SDR presentations.

great 3D presentation with tons of potential dark on light x-talk which the RS600 handles better than any of the other non-DLP's i've seen.


Rated: PG-13

Parents Strongly Cautioned- no kidding! watch out for the eyes...
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quick PSA, the Xpand 105 and RF transmitter kit is down to $39.95. These are eventually going to dry up and the RF transmitter is worth the price alone. The glasses are $35 separately.

https://www.amazon.com/EX105BT-Shutt...dp/B009ZW7SR2/

also Mad Max black and chrome is only $15. definitely worth seeing, I enjoyed it more than the UHD and 3D version. See it the way George Miller wanted you to see it.

https://www.amazon.com/Mad-Max-Chrom...dp/B01LTHM352/

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Hey Zombie, quick question for you. I'm running through your startup guide and was wondering if you use/suggest using the screen adjust setting for our HP 2.8 screens?

Any suggestions for the MPC Enhance and Smoothing settings or are these more of a personal preference as well?

Also as far as the Picture Tone, dark level and bright level controls, once you experiment with some scenes to figure out where you want these do you consider it a set and forget type of thing or do you find yourself tweaking and adjusting at times depending on the transfer?

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I'm still slumming with my i7 5930K and SLI GTX 980s. I'm going to wait for the next gen cards to come out before I upgrade. Seeing how there's no Laby Lake CPUs for the LGA-2011-v3 socket I'll have to upgrade from my X99 Deluxe motherboard too.

Upgrades never end if you want to be on the cutting edge.
How do you even work on that decrepit machine?
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planet earth II is coming on 4k UHD !!!

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Planet...lu-ray/168607/

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