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Yep that is largely due to the 48hz per eye refresh on the JVC, flicker will be visible. Epson 60hz per eye is same refresh as most DLP (though a few DLP do 72hz). But Epson crosstalk nowhere near as good as DLP.

My room mounting two projectors is tough for a number of reasons.
yes it's a trade off, I thought the x-talk on the LS10K I calibrated was excessive and bothered me more than the mild flicker on the JVC. The flicker is there on the 15K 4K Sony's as well. Also the JVC and Sony are a good bit brighter in 3D so that is another strike for 3D on the Epson Laser.

I use the JVC for darker 3D movies (Underworld Blood Wars looks amazing in a way that simply doesn't work on DLP) and my Sharp 30K for bright 3D content, animations, etc. This 3D projector is better in every way vs my previous BenQ W7000 and love the 3D on it. Plus the Sharp G20 glasses are bar-none the best 3D glasses I've used.

I don't see any 1 model that excels in all areas of 2D / 3D / UHD so the multi-projector setup works great depending on what i'm watching.
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yes it's a trade off, I thought the x-talk on the LS10K I calibrated was excessive and bothered me more than the mild flicker on the JVC. The flicker is there on the 15K 4K Sony's as well. Also the JVC and Sony are a good bit brighter in 3D so that is another strike for 3D on the Epson Laser.

I use the JVC for darker 3D movies (Underworld Blood Wars looks amazing in a way that simply doesn't work on DLP) and my Sharp 30K for bright 3D content, animations, etc. This 3D projector is better in every way vs my previous BenQ W7000 and love the 3D on it. Plus the Sharp G20 glasses are bar-none the best 3D glasses I've used.

I don't see any 1 model that excels in all areas of 2D / 3D / UHD so the multi-projector setup works great depending on what i'm watching.
I like the Sharp but it's out of production and they aren't even repairing it anymore. Don't think that OEM lamps from sharp are available either and I don't want to chance an exploding or poor quality lamp.

So w7000 continues to satisfy for 3d for me and BenQ continues to support it.

But 2 projectors in my room is tough due to low ceiling and riser.

So when I upgrade next year going to figure out best tradeoff I guess :/ one of the main reasons I keep putting off upgrade.
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Thanks for the screenshots, finally something where a screen shot is actually meaningful!

I'm taking some of my own media but I don't have any 3D calibration patterns beyond what's on the spears & munsil disk so yes please to a link, iso, mkv is fine, I have bluray media and a burner, Ricky is the UK dealer for Zappity so I expect he can play iso and mkv... I may just put a drive in my Mede8er and take that too.
yes the L/R screens are actually useful since it's show how the projector handles dark on light x-talk. This is the achilles heal for most non-DLP's but JVC somehow in 2016 figured out a way to reduce it to almost non-existence even in tough content like Happy Feet which is a 3D torture test. I was surprised at the epson laser in this area.

I just sent you a link with a download to the L/R patterns, it's a 3D BD ISO. It will play fine on the Mede8ter.

now that 3D is dead on the next gen DLP's we should be thankful to JVC/Epson/Sony for continuing to support it. I can't stop watching SwordMaster 3D, amazing 3D demo material and beautifully filmed movie. High recommended import title for fans of Crouching Tiger genre.
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Is that true if you feed the Epson 24p? I think the JVC does 60Hz per eye if you feed it 60p.
JVC maxes out at 48khz per eye per my understanding. Epson uses 3:2 frame sequencing on 24p to make 60hz.

Best of course is DLP 72hz with triple flash. No flicker and also no pull down artifacts.
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The one big rub for me with trying out the Sharp and replacing my 7000 is no FI in 3d which I just remembered. Always some sort of compromise it seems no matter which way you go.

JVC CMD Vertical Banding: Affects all currently shipping lamp based JVC Projectors
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I like the Sharp but it's out of production and they aren't even repairing it anymore. Don't think that OEM lamps from sharp are available either and I don't want to chance an exploding or poor quality lamp.

So w7000 continues to satisfy for 3d for me and BenQ continues to support it.

But 2 projectors in my room is tough due to low ceiling and riser.

So when I upgrade next year going to figure out best tradeoff I guess :/ one of the main reasons I keep putting off upgrade.
Which 3d glasses do you use on your 7000? I need to try a different pair to see if they hold sync better vs the ones I have.

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JVC maxes out at 48khz per eye per my understanding. Epson uses 3:2 frame sequencing on 24p to make 60hz.

Best of course is DLP 72hz with triple flash. No flicker and also no pull down artifacts.
Yeek!

Despite a lot of reading around I didn't know that, I hate 3:2 pulldown, it drives me nuts. I'm pretty used to DLP triple flash, 24p artefacts in 3D are bad enough if there's 3:2 pulldown on top that's not going to be pretty.

I should be able to cope with 48Hz per eye, maybe.

Well from the 3D standpoint tomorrow may not be an expensive day after all.
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The one big rub for me with trying out the Sharp and replacing my 7000 is no FI in 3d which I just remembered. Always some sort of compromise it seems no matter which way you go.
the 3D is nice and smooth on the Sharp, it almost looks like some kind of FI processing. I did used to run FI on the BQ and compared content when I had them both. The big stand-out is the perceived contrast in 3D (IR vs DLP Link), native is higher to begin with and don't see RBE in 3D on the Sharp but used to catch it on the BenQ.

it's a shame Sharp left the market. I don't have much confidence we will see 3D in the faux 4K DLP models which is a major bummer for 3D fans. Plus that business class native hurts no matter how sharp they are. I hope they make progress in this area and find a way to get 3D working.
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the 3D is nice and smooth on the Sharp, it almost looks like some kind of FI processing. I did used to run FI on the BQ and compared content when I had them both. The big stand-out is the perceived contrast in 3D (IR vs DLP Link), native is higher to begin with and don't see RBE in 3D on the Sharp but used to catch it on the BenQ.

it's a shame Sharp left the market. I don't have much confidence we will see 3D in the faux 4K DLP models which is a major bummer for 3D fans. Plus that business class native hurts no matter how sharp they are. I hope they make progress in this area and find a way to get 3D working.
Sounds good. I will stick to the plan and track down a Sharp at some point. Hopefully the glasses you like so much for the 30k are still available for purchase?

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