Originally Posted by zombie10k
keep us posted on your thoughts after the demo.
I half expected to hate everything ~LCD but I didn't... completely, that's a major revelation.
I must say that Ricky's demos were excellent, proper room, (almost) everything calibrated and I got sufficiently involved to miss lunch completely. Ricky seemed entirely happy that we were there almost all day!
We spent quite some time discussing how his room was constructed before even turning on a single projector.
The Epson LS10500:
Bright, good colo(u)r rendition, passable motion. There was always some indistinctness to detail, always some low level dodgy edges to anything moving both with and without e-shift. I always had the feeling "is it really in focus", yet on projector menus it clearly was in focus.
Tried some 60p UHD, Sky Q F1 & some BBC UHD World cup recordings I brought. Pretty good, looked like better motion than the 24p performance would suggest.
Good black levels, better than I've seen from a projector outside of a Dolby/Christie Demo movie at IBC in Amsterdam.
Bright details seemed crushed, not a miscalibration but a mushing of detail in the space suits against the sky in Gravity for example.
Tried 3D, complete non-starter, jumbled blurry mess, didn't look like 3D at all. Played the initial impact scene from Gravity as I know it very well, this scene usually makes me feel a little queasy, I never liked roller coasters, but with the Epson I didn't feel at all involved or even a little queasy.
Brighter, excellent colo(u)r rendition, amazing detail in shadow graduations but again poor detail in brighter elements a little like the Epson. Similar indistinctness to the Epson but not as bad.
Phenomenal black levels.
Some strange motion artefacts, watching Fantastic Beasts any sudden movement, like an actor shaking their head displayed multiple edges to their face for an instant, quite unpleasant. Ricky ran through all the projector settings to ensure there wasn't any motion enhancement turned on by mistake, there wasn't.
At this point we went back to Epson for a 3D test, which didn't go well.
Trying 3D on the JVC, after some delay finding all the gear for 3D, I guess not so many people are interested in 3D any more... Much better motion for 3D, quite acceptable, back to a queasy stomach with that Gravity scene also no sign of that motion artefact now.
One downside, a quite significant flicker to everything the moment you put the glasses on, not present with the Epson or my triple flash DLP. I have to check that doesn't give my girlfriend migraines!
Back to 2D with the JVC and trying to chase down that annoying artefact, seems there's no sign of it. Either I'm accustomed to it, doubtful my job involves spotting and fixing video artefacts, otherwise it's somehow gone! Ricky suggested that some say the JVC needs to warm up to be right for 3D, maybe this artefact I was seeing is also affected, strange. We went back to exact same scene, same source same settings, no sign of it.
Sim2 Nero 3:
Well it was there, why not. Actually I was keen to see it as it should give me some idea side by side as to what an expensive DLP was like. My fallback plan is to hunt down a high end DLP second hand. Lots of trouble getting it to sync, looked like everything in the path had cached some UHD settings and wasn't letting them go, got there in the end.
Gravity again, my choice. Blacks were lighting up the room, not as bad as my DLP but still pretty bad, not almost 10x the price better for sure! Dark elements were devoid of detail but the bright suits looked much better. Motion was hugely better, back to what I'm used to.
Note the Nero wasn't calibrated, we (I) checked black level with the 2.35:1 borders but that was all.
Didn't even turn on the Sony or the cheaper Epsons.
As I said to Gary (who apparently had the last or almost last LS10000 in the UK, none left) I'm a bit uncomfortable paying the price of the LS10500 or X7500 for something with LCDs in it. I'd happily find more for a DLP with good blacks, lens memories, enough zoom for CIH, 3D HDR and lasers but it doesn't exist and doesn't look like it's going to exist anytime soon if ever. Even second hand it looks like i've got to go to an A lens to do CIH with the second hand Sim2's that are around.
I'm seriously considering a JVC X5500, which is not something I thought I'd ever say before yesterday!
I need to change my projector mounting to accommodate something large and heavy but I think I have a plan.
I want to understand the differences between the X7500 I demoed and an X5500 that I am happy to afford. I have a living room with grey screen painted wall so the differences may not matter too much.
I will have to learn to live with the indistinctness, whether caused by LCD response time or convergence or whatever. I'd be swapping my current cheap fuzzy lens for a different type of fuzzyness.
I have to identify if the warming up phenomenon is real, does anyone have any comment on this?
I will need to learn some patience and not spill my drink in the dark during the JVC re-sync enforced interval between menu & Movie!
I feel that the JVC's strengths play to the nature of the majority of film and high budget drama scenes. It's weaknesses, it could be argued, are less important to the majority of content we now watch. Unfortunately the weaknesses are the areas that irritate me the most but I think they are at a level where compromise is appropriate.
Thanks to everyone who's given me advice so far.