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I own all the titles being discussed, there are entire threads here dedicated to owner's BD content -> media player / pc player

Ripping Blu-Rays II

hopefully that's where were headed with UHD so there is a safe way to store the original disc and have random access to our library of content.
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I think most of us here are not interested in piracy. We just want to have the freedom to play the discs we bought the way we want. Can't wait for the day I can properly rip UHD Blu-Rays. That will be the day I will start buying lots of UHD Blu-Rays.
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I think most of us here are not interested in piracy. We just want to have the freedom to play the discs we bought the way we want. Can't wait for the day I can properly rip UHD Blu-Rays. That will be the day I will start buying lots of UHD Blu-Rays.
That's my goal - I'd like to have my movie library onscreen, not in a storage rack. So I've been taking advantage of the disc sales buying anything under $15 as I know this price will go up once UHD becomes mainstream.
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Not too many people pay thousands on video quality and pirate a movie. Things will change tremendously once we can rip out own uhd movies. Can't wait.
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Fifth Element UHD releases on July 11th - how many different copies do you own?

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Fifth Element UHD releases on July 11th - how many different copies do you own?
I've had 5 so far, and 3 of Léon (which is also releasing on the same date). Both are on preorder right now for me.
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what about discounted price on amazon prime

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Fifth Element UHD releases on July 11th - how many different copies do you own?
Too many!
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I just hope they'll use the new Gaumont master (or some HDR version of it) and not the old and really bad master Sony USA has been using so far.
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My guess is it will be the same master as the Mastered in 4K disc. It does look too processed for my tastes.
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That would be disappointing. Will have to wait for an EU or Japan release then to get proper quality.
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That would be disappointing. Will have to wait for an EU or Japan release then to get proper quality.
That's why I'm waiting for a couple of reviews of these movies on 4K UHD BR. Once I read the review of the 4K version of "Ex Machina ", I jumped on it, since I like that movie. The improvement was visible. I am hopeful that The Fifth Element and Leon get a decent uptick in picture and sound. Fingers crossed ! I skipped the " Mastered in 4K " Blu-rays knowing these were coming - they better be worth the wait.

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@R Harkness - I recently did a test with 10 different manufacturers 3D glasses (amazing how many glasses I have here since 2010..)

ALL of them lost charge while sitting. It's definitely worth keeping them on a trickle charge while in storage.



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I have 2 of these hooked up and keep the glasses on charge most of the time. especially my Sharp 3D glasses. they are getting harder to find today and need to keep the batteries in those charged.

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take a look at the native on this acer 4K DLP, are any of these going to be able to hit 1000:1? 2000:1?

http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...-h7850-dlp-4k/
That is pretty sad, why even bother making a product like that... My alarm clock has better contrast.

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take a look at the native on this acer 4K DLP, are any of these going to be able to hit 1000:1? 2000:1?

http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...-h7850-dlp-4k/
Isn't this the site that has seemed to have trouble measuring on/off CR?

Low on/off CRs should be easier to measure accurately than higher on/off CRs, but even then I'm not sure they ever figured out how to measure any of them accurately. The excuse was always that they had light colored walls, or something like that, and when it was pointed out that this shouldn't keep them from being able to measure accurately they would just ignore that information and continue claiming inaccurate CRs.

If I have the site wrong then I apologize. It was Kraine's numbers for on/off CR that I found to be less than trustworthy.

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Isn't this the site that has seemed to have trouble measuring on/off CR?

Low on/off CRs should be easier to measure accurately than higher on/off CRs, but even then I'm not sure they ever figured out how to measure any of them accurately. The excuse was always that they had light colored walls, or something like that, and when it was pointed out that this shouldn't keep them from being able to measure accurately they would just ignore that information and continue claiming inaccurate CRs.

If I have the site wrong then I apologize. It was Kraine's numbers for on/off CR that I found to be less than trustworthy.

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Isn't this the site that has seemed to have trouble measuring on/off CR?

Low on/off CRs should be easier to measure accurately than higher on/off CRs, but even then I'm not sure they ever figured out how to measure any of them accurately. The excuse was always that they had light colored walls, or something like that, and when it was pointed out that this shouldn't keep them from being able to measure accurately they would just ignore that information and continue claiming inaccurate CRs.

If I have the site wrong then I apologize. It was Kraine's numbers for on/off CR that I found to be less than trustworthy.

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correct, for a long time the #'s were off. I believe recently he has been educated on the correct way to measure and the #'s are closer to expected results.

it really couldn't be simpler to measure native, especially when the contrast is this low. not sure why it took years to correct it.

No one seems to care what 1000:1 will look like so the marketing folks are definitely doing their jobs appealing to J6P. Average buyer will have no idea they don't have WCG since the advertising makes us think it has WCG 'support' aka remapping to R709.
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That is pretty sad, why even bother making a product like that... My alarm clock has better contrast.
It's a business/family room projector. Hence the RGBCYW wheel. Not meant for home theater.
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take a look at the native on this acer 4K DLP, are any of these going to be able to hit 1000:1? 2000:1?

http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...-h7850-dlp-4k/
This is a brightness optimized projector, not contrast. Hence the RGBCYW wheel.
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I bet the UHD65 barely reaches 1000:1. Maybe the Vivitek can.
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I bet the UHD65 barely reaches 1000:1. Maybe the Vivitek can.
It is looking that way, though surprisingly the UHD65 is apparently razor sharp even with 4k. Someone w/ PC over in the other thread said it basically threw a perfect 4k pixel grid with no significant flicker or artifacts. Very impressive from a low cost projector.

For the contrast though, need to spend more. Either Vivitek HK2288 or BenQ W11500 will likely be the ticket for serviceable contrast.
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the same owner mentioned the following. We'll have to see how it measures once someone calibrates it.


Contrast and color is... I'll just say it, bad. I've been watching movies on a comparatively cheap BenQ 2150ST lately and the UHD65 doesn't even come close to the contrast and color available on that. I spent the last hour trying to calibrate it but nope, colors do not pop at all *in comparison*. The 1.2M:1 listed in the specs is a joke.
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the same owner mentioned the following. We'll have to see how it measures once someone calibrates it.


Contrast and color is... I'll just say it, bad. I've been watching movies on a comparatively cheap BenQ 2150ST lately and the UHD65 doesn't even come close to the contrast and color available on that. I spent the last hour trying to calibrate it but nope, colors do not pop at all *in comparison*. The 1.2M:1 listed in the specs is a joke.
Yeah I read that, though the 2150ST has over 2000:1 native contrast per secrets measurement; quite solid for a sub-$1k projector. So I wouldn't be surprised if the UHD65 is ~1000:1 as Ron noted above.

I also noticed the UHD65 took only a 33% drop in rated lumens from the brightness optimized variant, while the HK2288 took a 50% drop in rated lumens from the brightness optimized variant. So perhaps Vivitek did more on the contrast side.

It would also be nice if BenQ executes on the W11500, cause wow the chassis of the W11000 looks sweet. Best looking chassis under $20k IMO. Would be fun just to have that thing hanging off the ceiling

Finally a clue for 3D with these UHD pjs; the DPI e-Vision 4k laser uses the same chip and has 3D confirmed. However to use 3D, you need to use a separate HDMI 1.4 port for 3D instead of the HDMI 2.0a one that is used for 4K. Odd no? Must be some totally separate video processing that must be done to get 3D to work with 2716x1528, which explains why its not in the cheaper models.

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I doubt the ht2050 has over 2000:1, but I suppose it's possible, more like 1200:1 to 1600:1 from what I've seen most measure. There were a couple reviewers that measured the Benq w7000 at 2200:1 and it was actually barely able to make it to 1000:1 if you were lucky (and more like 800:1 in most calibrations). There are ways you can get the measurements higher, but it involved screwing up the calibration or messing with color wheel settings, and it didn't look good just to gain another 500 in contrast.

The king of budget contrast was the Mits hc4000, it was measured by Cine4 at around 4500:1 native, getting close to Epson numbers, but that thing is ancient to today's standards.

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Finally a clue for 3D with these UHD pjs; the DPI e-Vision 4k laser uses the same chip and has 3D confirmed. However to use 3D, you need to use a separate HDMI 1.4 port for 3D instead of the HDMI 2.0a one that is used for 4K. Odd no? Must be some totally separate video processing that must be done to get 3D to work with 2716x1528, which explains why its not in the cheaper models.

that would make sense if it requires a separate processor to handle 3D at the native res.

it's still a bugger that the 2 DLP companies (Optoma / Vivitek) that had 3D support for years and even better than BQ DLP Link (bring your own transmitter, 3 pin VESA port) now are stuck in 2D for the foreseeable future.

I know you like 3D DLP you have to admit this is not a great situation for these new projectors.
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that would make sense if it requires a separate processor to handle 3D at the native res.

it's still a bugger that the 2 DLP companies (Optoma / Vivitek) that had 3D support for years and even better than BQ DLP Link (bring your own transmitter, 3 pin VESA port) now are stuck in 2D for the foreseeable future.

I know you like 3D DLP you have to admit this is not a great situation for these new projectors.
For myself and the small group of cult 3D fans it is a bummer, yes.

For the larger market, no I don't think it is a bad situation. 3D is perceived as dead by consumers since it has been eliminated by all TV manufacturers (even high end) for 2017 and while is a trickle of a few high profile releases what consumers really want and the hot seller boils down to two things:
1. 4k UHD
2. HDR

I don't think 3D is a factor for the majority of consumers. If it were they could develop a low cost SoC to handle the scaling for both 4k and 3d, but the problem is since consumers in large don't care about 3d anymore the money to do so may be seen as a waste.

Or, any of these manufacturers could probably sell a 3d model for $750 more using the DPI method but their bean counters likely determined not enough would buy them to make investing the engineering money worth it - same reason TV manufacturers eliminated 3d.
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