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post #1 of 69 Old 10-24-2012, 07:36 PM - Thread Starter
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I'm just curious to see if anyone else on here is as crazy as me as far as purchases go? The unfortunate thing about anything visual is that you need to actually see it in person to really get an understanding of what the product is all about. I have to say that projectors are one of the hardest consumer products to track down to actually audition. That is the main reason why I've gone through so many. I figured the best and easiest way to get access to all these fine projectors was to buy them and then, subsequently, sell them if I didn't like them or had seen better.

Here's what I've gone through; in chronological order: (Updated 9/9/14)


1.) Panasonic PT-AE900U - 720p 3LCD
2.) Sanyo PLV-1080HD - 1080p 3LCD
3.) Epson Home Cinema 6500UB - 1080p 3 LCD
4.) JVC DLA RS10 - 1080p LCOS
5.) JVC DLA-RS20 - 1080p LCOS
6.) Planar PD8150 - 1080p .95" DC3 DLP
7.) Sim2 Domino D80 - 1080p .95" DC3 DLP
8.) Optoma HD20 - 1080p DC2 .65" DLP
9.) Epson 8100 - 1080p 3LCD
10.) Mitsubishi HC7800D - 1080p .65" DC3 3D DLP
11.) Infocus IN81 - 1080p .95" DC2 DLP
12.) InFocus IN82 - 1080p .95" DC3 DLP
13.) InFocus IN83 - 1080p .95" DC4 DLP
14.) JVC DLA-X3 - 1080p 3D LCOS
15.) BenQ W5000 - 1080p .95" DC2 DLP
16.) Marantz VP-11S1 - 1080p .95" DC3 DLP
17.) NuVision ProVu P2 - 1080p .95" DC4 LED DLP
18.) Marantz VP-15S1 - 1080p .95" DC3 DLP
19.) Vivitek H5085 - 1080p .65" DC3 DLP
20.) Samsung SP-A800B - 1080p .95" DC2 DLP
21.) Vivitek H9080FD - 1080p .95" DC4 LED DLP
22.) Runco LS-1 - 1080p .95" DC2 DLP
23.) JVC DLA-X30 - 1080p 3D LCOS
24.) Mitsubishi HC5 - 1080p 3D LCOS
25.) Optoma HD25 - 1080p .65" DC3 3D DLP
26.) BenQ W20000 - 1080p .95" DC3 DLP
27.) JVC DLA-X55R - 1080p 3D E-Shift v.2 LCOS
28.) Optoma HD131Xe - 1080p .65" DC3 3D DLP
29.) Knoll Systems HDP460 - 1080p .95" DC4 DLP
30.) JVC DLA-X90 - 1080p 3D E-Shift v.1 LCOS
31.) Runco RS-900 - 1080p .95" DC2 DLP
32.) Sony VPL-VW90ES - 1080p 3D LCOS
33.) Runco RS-1100 Ultra - 1080p .95" DC3 DLP
34.) Mitsubishi HC7900DW - 1080p 3D .65" DC3 DLP
35.) Sharp XV-Z30000 - 1080p 3D .65" DLP
36.) Runco Q750i - 1080p LED .95" DC4 DLP
37.) JVC DLA-X500 - 1080p 3D E-Shift v.3 LCOS
38.) Runco LS-100D - 1080p .95" DC4 LED DLP
39.) Runco LS-10i - 1080p 1080p 3-Chip .65" Graded DMD's DLP
40.) Sim2 C3X Lumis Host - 1080p 3-Chip .95" DC4 DLP
41.) Planar PD8130 - 1080p User Upgraded to a .95" DC4 DLP
42.) TruVue Vango - 1080p .95" DC4 LED DLP
43.) Digital Projection HIGHlite Cine 1080p-260 HC - 1080p 3-Chip .65" Graded DMD's DLP

Other odds and ends:

Anamorphic Lenses:
ISCO IIIL with Motorized Sled
Panamorph UH480 with Motorized Sled
Schneider Optics Cine-Digitar (basically a smaller version of the optics in the ISCO IIIL)
Marantz LN-11S1


3D Glasses:

X-Pand 103 - IR
MonsterVision Max - RF(Bit-Couldron BC5000 system)
EStar ESG6100 3D - RF
Stock IR JVC Glasses and Emitter - IR
Stock Mitsubishi HC7800D Glasses & Emitter - IR
Stock Sharp XV-Z30000 AN3DG20B Glasses and Emitter - IR

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Was the 11S1 ~700 lumens calibrated or less?

Great collection. you can never have enough projectors. biggrin.gif
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The Marantz is a really nice projector, it just needs more lumens to compete against today's projectors. Image quality on a smaller screen with the Marantz is very good.

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I haven't taken any measurements yet, but it seems like that's the case. My current screen claims to be 1.0 gain but I have my suspicions that it's not. Probably more like .8 gain. I should have the high power screen sometime next week. I opted for Da-Lite's new high contrast grey to help a little bit with perceived contrast. I'm not too sure what the grey will do to colors though. I'm sure I can calibrate it out. I'll have to take out my trusty X-Rite Eye-One Display LT to do some measurements and calibration.
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You sound a bit like me too, love to try out new kit and no harm buying things to try them out and then sell again if you don't like them! I've been through quite a few too (although in a more modest 3 years) in the quest for visual nirvana!

Some of these model numbers are UK and some may not have been released in US:

Optoma HD65
Sanyo Z5
Optoma HD81
Sanyo Z2000
LG CF181D
Optoma HD87
JVC HD750
JVC X3
BenQ W7000
Sony HW10
Next is possibly going to be the Sony HW50

Best 2D image out of that bunch IMO is the Optoma HD87 followed by the Sony HW10 - The Optoma has got 3 lens options and the lens alone cost $800 - sharpness was unreal - I've yet to own or see anything that beats it. I wish I still had it TBH, I sold it to go 3D
Best 3D is the BenQ W7000 IMO

So tell us about the ones you liked best and why....
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The Marantz is a really nice projector, it just needs more lumens to compete against today's projectors. Image quality on a smaller screen with the Marantz is very good.

Now that's a projector where the trade offs with an HP2.4 are clearly justified especially with a screen say larger than 100" D 16/9. Just call me an HP2.4 fan boy. smile.gif

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So tell us about the ones you liked best and why....

That is an impressive group and looking forward to how the Marantz compares on the hp.

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So tell us about the ones you liked best and why....

Out of the group the Planar is my favorite. The InFocus IN83 is a fantastic projector as well. It does have a weird issue though. Just like the IN82, the IN83 has what seems to be a scaling issue. It affects the sharpness of the image a tad. Optically it has a great lens but because of what I can only described as what looks like scaling, even though it says it's receiving a 1080p source, it makes horizontal and vertical lines look very odd during movement, especially pans. Lowering the sharpness level seems to help but I don't want to set it too low. I do like the X3 because of the naturalness the LCOS panels give the image. Motion is its only real fault. One that I hope JVC fixes like Sony did a couple years ago. I'm hoping the Marantz lives up to the hype. I should be able to report once I get the high power screen.
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I would think the Marantz would beat the Planar, no?


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We'll see once I get the screen. On/off contrast will be better on the Planar. I could tell that much by playing around with it last night. Optically it should be noticeably sharper. I'm a sharpness freak so that should be quite pleasing.
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Seegs:

Always interested in hearing about your projector adventures....they allow me to live through you. Like you, I've been happily married to my Planar 8150 for sometime now. I would love to find a projector that projects a similar image with better black levels. Of course price is an issue to. I'm hoping I can live with my Planar longer, since I've paired it with the darbee video processor (see the video processor forum for those who haven't heard of the darbee).

Thanks again for sharing your findings

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I don't think it is a gloat fest. I am thinking it is more like some kind of a trance induced deal. You know "don't look at the light!"

You have me beat and I thought I was over the top.

My last year after almost 2 years with my RS1:

Viewsonic Pro8100
LGCF181D
RS15
Sony HW30
RS45
BenQ W7000

Currently own the Viewsonic which I keep around to watch between purchases, the RS45, and W7000.

Selling the RS45 - on the pre-order list for the 4810.

I tell myself it is a good thing I can't afford vintage Corvettes.

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I don't know if there would be enough room to post my projector saga! biggrin.gif

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Seegs:
Always interested in hearing about your projector adventures....they allow me to live through you. Like you, I've been happily married to my Planar 8150 for sometime now. I would love to find a projector that projects a similar image with better black levels. Of course price is an issue to. I'm hoping I can live with my Planar longer, since I've paired it with the darbee video processor (see the video processor forum for those who haven't heard of the darbee).
Thanks again for sharing your findings
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I bought a darblet too. I tweaked some settings on the marantz this evening to try and get it a little brighter until the high power screen arrives. WOW! It puts out beautiful images. It looks to be just a tad behind the Planar in on/off contrast numbers with the iris clamped all the way down. The only downside I've noticed so far is that I have to force 24p output. I guess it's not set up in the EDID on this projector. It does 24p perfectly fine I just need to yell at it to make it work haha.
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I don't think it is a gloat fest. I am thinking it is more like some kind of a trance induced deal. You know "don't look at the light!"
You have me beat and I thought I was over the top.
My last year after almost 2 years with my RS1:
Viewsonic Pro8100
LGCF181D
RS15
Sony HW30
RS45
BenQ W7000
Currently own the Viewsonic which I keep around to watch between purchases, the RS45, and W7000.
Selling the RS45 - on the pre-order list for the 4810.
I tell myself it is a good thing I can't afford vintage Corvettes.
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That's quite the list. I haven't owned a Sony and it's something I really want to try out. My local dealer has a VW95 set up and I got to see one in person for a few minutes. The room wasn't fully light controlled so I couldn't get a real gauge of how it looked. They did have Runco Q750i set up in their theater demo room that looked stunning though! The dealer told me he was getting rid of it so he could put a new model in the room. He asked if I wanted to know the ex-demo price and I told him I didn't want to know because I might be tempted. I'm guessing it was probably still 7 or 8k. Waaay out of my price league at the moment.
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Psssh that's no excuse! smile.gif
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I'm just curious to see if anyone else on here is as crazy as me as far as purchases go? I have gone through a total of 15 projectors in as little as 14 months.

Here's what I've gone through; in chronilogical order:

Panasonic PT-AE900U <> 720p 3LCD
Sanyo PLV-1080HD <> 1080p 3LCD
Epson Home Cinema 6500UB <> 1080p 3 LCD
JVC DLA RS-10 <> 1080p LCOS
JVC DLA-RS20 <>1080p LCOS
Planar PD8150 <> 1080p .95" DC3 DLP
Sim2 Domino D80 <> 1080p .95" DC3 DLP
Optoma HD20 <> 1080p DC2 .65" DLP
Epson 8100 <> 1080p 3LCD
Mitsubishi HC7800D <> 1080p .65" DC3 3D DLP
InFocus IN82 <> 1080p .95" DC3 DLP
InFocus IN83 <> 1080p .95" DC4 DLP
JVC DLA-X3 <> 1080p 3D LCOS
BenQ W5000 <> 1080p .95" DC2 DLP
Marantz VP-11S1 <> 1080p .95" DC3 DLP

WOW!! What amazes me about your list is how many you have gone through in just 14 months!! There are some very good projectors there and I'm surprised you haven't found one that was the one for you yet. I thought it was bad to have had like 20+ projectors but over the last 12 years. I always loved DLP's and still do for HDTV/sports but for movies I am hooked on JVC's black levels. Other companies are closing the gap though so I am anxious for future projectors.

Did I say WOW that's a lot of projectors in a short amount of time?? wink.gif

Hope the Marantz works for you, they made fantastic projectors. I'm sorry that they quit making them.

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Man, and my friends think I'm crazy, at least I know I'm in good company, even if I can't really compare:

Toshiba MT700
Infocus IN76
BenQ W5000
Planar8150

The Planar and the InFocus are the two stars, the Toshiba ate lamps and I got refunded after about the sixth lamp, the BenQ had to make a number of trips back and forth for a defective (noisy) manual iris, and eventually I think the travel dislodged/broke something (by that point out of warranty) as it either fails to start or shuts down randomly.

The InFocus I only got rid of to get 1080p, and the Planar's been in my HT for 3 years now and nothing compels me to change. I guess I maybe have better restraint than I would have thought given I haven't kept buying new projectors just to try them out (as much as I'd like to). biggrin.gif

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You sound a bit like me too, love to try out new kit and no harm buying things to try them out and then sell again if you don't like them! I've been through quite a few too (although in a more modest 3 years) in the quest for visual nirvana!
Some of these model numbers are UK and some may not have been released in US:
Optoma HD65
Sanyo Z5
Optoma HD81
Sanyo Z2000
LG CF181D
Optoma HD87
JVC HD750
JVC X3
BenQ W7000
Sony HW10
Next is possibly going to be the Sony HW50
Best 2D image out of that bunch IMO is the Optoma HD87 followed by the Sony HW10 - The Optoma has got 3 lens options and the lens alone cost $800 - sharpness was unreal - I've yet to own or see anything that beats it. I wish I still had it TBH, I sold it to go 3D
Best 3D is the BenQ W7000 IMO
So tell us about the ones you liked best and why....

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I was fine until I came to this forum

Haha ! Home Theater Anonymous - " Hi, my name is _________and I'm a video projector addict " !

Seegs, you've owned more projectors in 14 months than I have in 14 years. However, there is no better way to really get to see what they can do, than spending time with them in your own home theater. And I can't really say that's excessive, considering I have over 1500 bottles of wine....eek.gif


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I got the High Contrast High Power (2.4 gain) Da-Lite screen today. What a crazy difference this screen makes with the Marantz VP-11S1. In low lamp mode with the iris clamped down the image is more than bright enough! Compared to my old screen, this screen is virtually invisible. All you see is the image being projected. The Da-Lite has this silky "sheen" to it that looks fantastic. I was expecting it to be GREY. When I first took it out of the box and saw the material I thought I had the wrong screen sent to me but it did in fact have a very slight grey color to it. I'm actually happier this way. I get black levels that are a bit darker and whites that seem tremendously brighter. I couldn't ask for more in terms of PQ. This combo is killer.

The only issue I'm going to have when using this screen is the rearraignment of both my speakers and my projector. I went from acoustically transparent material and seeing how this material is retro-reflective I need to shelf mount the projector. I purchased this awesome center channel mount and this awesome wall mountable shelf to help. The left and right speakers will have to be placed on the ends of the screen which is okay as I have black out cloth on the wall behind the screen so they won't be too visible. I think the black glass on both will complement the black finish on the projector and on my JTR Triple 8.

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So what is better now, the Marantz or Planar?
I am curious because if I can ever find a deal on a used one (maybe not), might grab me one.


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This is hard to answer. They are both very similar machines in terms of PQ.

Highlights of the Planar:

*Dynamic Iris digs a tad deeper in terms of contrast, though I think blacks look better on the Marantz, its odd. They look "smoother" and more natural even though they are a tad lighter. It's hard to describe. It could be something with the lens. I heard Marantz uses some uber cool lens coatings on their optics. They are both still some of the best blacks DLP offers.
*Comes factory D65 calibrated (not an issue for some)
*Better placement flexibility (2 lens options, vertical AND horizontal lens shift)
*It's brighter
*Better control of Gamma settings

Advantages of the Marantz:

*Top notch lens, though the Planar's isn't a slouch but this is noticeably sharper from corner to corner.
*AWESOME remote, virtually anything in the menu is accessible by a single button on the remote (and yes its back lit like the Planar's)
*Less RBE (I'm not that sensitive but the Marantz has a 7 segment, 6x speed wheel versus the 6x6 of the Planar) I also think the brightness helps here as the Marantz isn't as bright. Neither should be a problem for 95% of people but it's worth noting when comparing both of these machines to those who are sensitive
*The lens focus ring seems tighter as well, I feel like I can get the focus that much more perfect on the Marantz

Similarities:
They use the same DLP DMD (.95" DC3)
They both use top notch Gennum video processors ( I think Gennum was bought out)
Both are built like a tank with top notch everything from the inside out.
As far as the picture goes they both have a more "calm" look to them which really gives it a film like image while remaining tack sharp.
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Did you just keep an eye out on Fleabay and Videogon and AVS, where else would one might keep an eye out for a used one?
Sounds like I would prefer the Marantz slightly if I had to choose (but either should do).


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Yeah, those are the places to look. You could also keep an eye on Amazon's marketplace. As far as a good price goes, I got the Marantz on ebay for $1450 plus shipping and the Planar on AVS for $1500 shipped. Try and get one around that price point. I think anything over $2000 is asking too much. You'll need to be patient to get good prices. I think most of the owners are holding on to these units until 4K really kicks in.

Ebay makes things pretty easy for you. There's an option to set alerts when new listings come up. You could set an alert to tell you when new listings for "Marantz VP" or "Planar PD" pop up. That's what I've been doing and have been pretty lucky. They'll send a message right to my phone via their ebay app and also send an email when something new comes along.
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Please keep in mind the Planar's (last time I checked) don't sell for that cheap on the used market. I remember Seegs got a great deal on a unit, but it's not reflective of the average used price of the Planars.

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seegs108, that's quite a list of projectors. Did you buy them all new and re-sell them? That is a lot of expense.. You could probably have bought sony 4k with the money you lost on the 14 deals? smile.gif
If you are still in the reviewing mood and if you dont mind buying a used projectors, you should consder a sony qualia 004 also.
I have not owned as many projectors as you have.. I saw a few.. but I still find the sony qualia 004 to be most preferrable to me.. The Lumis Sim2 is another nice projector.
Just my personal observation and preference: The $25,000 projectors (such as the sony qualia 004, the sim2 etc) have, typically, very expensive (high quality) optics/lens system. I have seen a couple of the "new" high contrast JVC projectors (under $10,000).
I find that my sony is more desirable - perhaps just a personal preference. I find the sharpness of the picture offered by the $6000 lens of qulia 004, supercedes the lower contrast numbers, as compared to the Jvc RS20 etc. I am not a fan of JVC. I recommended the RS20 to a friend and i find its picture to be unacceptable - it is dark, yes.. but not very sharp or "film like". I find the single chip DLP to be more sharp and something like epson 8350 to be excellent, for the price. I am speculating that the 3 chip lcos projectors have convergence issues also..
Since you seem to enjoy trying out projectors, I would encourage you to consider a used sony qualia 004. Actually, I liked it so much that I bought an extra unit, in the used market (no, I am not selling it). My next purchase will be a sony 4k with LED lamp. My qualia lamp is $800/$900 and lasts only 1500 hours even in low setting. Thats the main disadvantage but it is well worth it, in my opinion..

PS: I don't mean to offend anyone who own the latest generation projectors.. Preceding is just my preference and observation..
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