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post #2161 of 2501 Old 05-16-2014, 10:44 AM
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Hmmm I'm not looking to add a lumagen though it's out of my price range.

So the autocal really isn't worth it?

Does the RS46 have 11 pt gamma/grayscale anymore? That would be worth auto-calibrating on its own. Getting a proper gamma curve add so much to the pq.
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Both the W & the B show 9-10fl with 26.2 feet for a 168" wide image... The X30 shows 26.2 ' with 5fl. Where the JVC site calculator showed 19.1' for 168" wide... Does anyone know what the fl will be for a 168" wide image?

This is the formula I have used:

FL = ( lumens * gain) / screen area in sq ft

I don't know what gain you are using. For 1.0 it would be this:

(900 lumes * 1.0 gain) / 82.7 sq-ft = 10.88 ft-L

900 lumen is estimated in low bulb on the short end of the throw. Projector Central shows about 17' for the RS45 for the short end.
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This is the formula I have used:

FL = ( lumens * gain) / screen area in sq ft

I don't know what gain you are using. For 1.0 it would be this:

(900 lumes * 1.0 gain) / 82.7 sq-ft = 10.88 ft-L

900 lumen is estimated in low bulb on the short end of the throw. Projector Central shows about 17' for the RS45 for the short end.
Thank you for the info... It looks like I am going to have to look for a projector with more lumens if I want to go 168" wide.

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Thank you for the info... It looks like I am going to have to look for a projector with more lumens if I want to go 168" wide.

Oops I may have misread, do you mean wide rather than diagonal? That would mean a 193" screen if you meant 168" wide. That would give you 8.2 ft-L. A 1.4 gain screen, which most say would be closer to 1.2, would get you up to 9.8 ft-L. Either way you'll probably want to look at more of a light cannon. The JVC 4910 would bump you to 1200+ lumens. That gives you 11 ft-L on a 193" screen (13 ft-L on a 1.4 gain).

You might be able look at ultra high gain screens. But it seems like the higher you go the more you have to worry about hotspotting and such.
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Oops I may have misread, do you mean wide rather than diagonal? That would mean a 193" screen if you meant 168" wide. That would give you 8.2 ft-L. A 1.4 gain screen, which most say would be closer to 1.2, would get you up to 9.8 ft-L. Either way you'll probably want to look at more of a light cannon. The JVC 4910 would bump you to 1200+ lumens. That gives you 11 ft-L on a 193" screen (13 ft-L on a 1.4 gain).

You might be able look at ultra high gain screens. But it seems like the higher you go the more you have to worry about hotspotting and such.
Thanks for the info... I am looking at the Seymour XD (AT) screen which I think is either a 1.0 or a 1.2 gain screen. I could back the screen size down to 180" (diagonal) but I think it will still be too dim.

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Thanks for the info... I am looking at the Seymour XD (AT) screen which I think is either a 1.0 or a 1.2 gain screen. I could back the screen size down to 180" (diagonal) but I think it will still be too dim.

If your theater can handle a 193" screen and you want it, I'd say get the screen and buy the projector to light it up (if you can afford it). I would say though that brightness is subjective as to what is bright enough. I doubt our 130" 1.0 scope screen (144" 16:9 equivalent) hits any sort of standardized brightness target. It's plenty bright for us even with the iris closed down to -7.
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Thanks for the info... I am looking at the Seymour XD (AT) screen which I think is either a 1.0 or a 1.2 gain screen. I could back the screen size down to 180" (diagonal) but I think it will still be too dim.


Centerstage XD has a published gain of 1.2. This screen has been officially measured by Accucal as having an on axis gain of .94.


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Right now I am using a BenQ w1070 with a Jamestown 134" screen and the Lumens are good. I don't think they will be when I move up to the larger screen in the new HT though, hence the looking at a better projector. Any idea on how many lumens I will need out of a projector for that size screen... Will I need to go to something around 3k? I am looking to spend a max of $4k.

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I already had a meter and a previous version of Calman so it wasn't that much money to upgrade. However, I think the results were worth the money. Plus, you can use the software and meter to calibrate your other displays. I am very pleased with the results. Once you have the program up and running, just hitting one button and coming back 10 min. later and having your brightness, contrast, and greyscale done is pretty amazing to me. The ensuing picture was better than I had done my self. Wherever, it is doing the changes, it seems to have finer controls. I would invest in the program again seeing the results. Just one man's opinion though. This site has upgraded my eyes. I notice differences. I am always on the hunt for a better picture (4910 someday). For now, pretty satisfied with my 45. I have heard the 46 has an even better ootb picture.

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I have a Colormunki spectro. I have been trying to bid on i1pros on ebay without success. I spoke with Spectracal about an unrelated problem and we got to talking about meters. They highly recommend the new C6 meter. It is fast and reads darker portions of the greyscale more accurately than the Colormunki. I will get it when the budget allows. There are a lot of good meters out there though.
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I have to access the service menu to do the adjusting?
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Right now I am using a BenQ w1070 with a Jamestown 134" screen and the Lumens are good. I don't think they will be when I move up to the larger screen in the new HT though, hence the looking at a better projector. Any idea on how many lumens I will need out of a projector for that size screen... Will I need to go to something around 3k? I am looking to spend a max of $4k.

For a 190" diag. 1.0 gain screen, the only projectors that will be bright enough are for $4k or under are, unfortunately, presentation type projectors. You'd be well into the $20k category for ultra-high contrast theater projectors. Somebody show me wrong?
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For a 190" diag. 1.0 gain screen, the only projectors that will be bright enough are for $4k or under are, unfortunately, presentation type projectors. You'd be well into the $20k category for ultra-high contrast theater projectors. Somebody show me wrong?
Thanks, I will look into the presentation projectors then.

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Thanks, I will look into the presentation projectors then.

You do loose a lot of quality in terms of contrast and color reproduction, though. It is quite a compromise to get a cheap-ish large screen.
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You do loose a lot of quality in terms of contrast and color reproduction, though. It is quite a compromise to get a cheap-ish large screen.
The only other way I can think of is to buy 2 projectors and sync them... That should give me enough lumens. It would cost me more but not any where near what the big boys would cost.

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The only other way I can think of is to buy 2 projectors and sync them... That should give me enough lumens. It would cost me more but not any where near what the big boys would cost.

Is your room in a dedicated room? How far from the screen are you?
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Is your room in a dedicated room? How far from the screen are you?
My room will be a dedicated HT room... We are building a dedicated HT with double walls in our 2 car garage. We have the 1st row at 13', and the 2nd row at 19'.

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You don't need to spend 20k on a PJ to get good brightness jeez. Are you interested in 3D at all?

That sounds a lot like my brother's room, he has the Panny 8000 and it's plenty bright. I brought my JVC RS46 over there and even that was fine. His screen is 154" diagonal.

You also may want to look in to some high gain HT paints. A lot of people use that option with great success myself, my brother, and cousin included.

It also matters how far away from the screen your PJ is mounted as well.
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My room will be a dedicated HT room... We are building a dedicated HT with double walls in our 2 car garage. We have the 1st row at 13', and the 2nd row at 19'.

That is a ridiculously wide screen for 13' viewing distance...I calculate 56.6 degree viewing angle. Have you visualized that using a bedsheet or similar? I would find that uncomfortable.
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That is a ridiculously wide screen for 13' viewing distance...I calculate 56.6 degree viewing angle. Have you visualized that using a bedsheet or similar? I would find that uncomfortable.

I I have found in most rooms the 1st row is usually going to be a compromise. If you want two rows that is.
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That is a ridiculously wide screen for 13' viewing distance...I calculate 56.6 degree viewing angle. Have you visualized that using a bedsheet or similar? I would find that uncomfortable.

I am making the screen go to the max size I can possibly fit in the room, and then masking down if needed because of lumens or if I feel that I am too close. I just want to be able to have the screen max size so it will be the last screen I buy. I might just have to use the BenQ until I can find an affordable projector that will light up the screen at the size I want. Currently I sit 12' from a 134" 16x9 screen and I would like bigger still... Maybe just a bit taller but I want wider (several feet, I think).
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I I have found in most rooms the 1st row is usually going to be a compromise. If you want two rows that is.
That's where you have your kids sit. biggrin.gif
Recently I have been going to the theater and trying out the closer seats and I like them too. The main thing I want is to have by screen be wide enough to encompass my full vision width.

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You don't need to spend 20k on a PJ to get good brightness jeez. Are you interested in 3D at all?

That sounds a lot like my brother's room, he has the Panny 8000 and it's plenty bright. I brought my JVC RS46 over there and even that was fine. His screen is 154" diagonal.

You also may want to look in to some high gain HT paints. A lot of people use that option with great success myself, my brother, and cousin included.

It also matters how far away from the screen your PJ is mounted as well.
I can't use paint... We are using a AT screen as all the speakers will be behind the screen wall. We have a few 3D movies but that is all.

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Maybe just a bit taller but I want wider (several feet, I think).
Recently I have been going to the theater and trying out the closer seats and I like them too. The main thing I want is to have by screen be wide enough to encompass my full vision width.

I think a 2.35 CIH screen would be a good thing to consider. (Though that would mean you have more things to think about for setup and control.)
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I would also recommend scope format screen.

I find that a tall image becomes overwhelming way sooner than a wide image. in fact, I find that the height is THE deciding factor of what's too big for me.
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I I have found in most rooms the 1st row is usually going to be a compromise. If you want two rows that is.
That's where you have your kids sit. biggrin.gif

this is an interesting choice. it's funny because, I think I'd do that as well, if I had the opportunity, but with my room my front row is THE row, and then I added seats behind. I can't go with a larger screen, it won't fit, and I don't want to push my front row seats up, cause then they'd almost be touching when you reclined, haha.

ideally, I'd like to have a room large enough that I can put a screen large enough that my front row will be for 'guests' and the second row will be where the 'seat spot' is. it just seems from my point of view this is actually the harder thing to accomplish. if you put a row of seats right at the ideal viewing spot, for anything under 120" inches, there's really no room to put seats in front of that
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I would also recommend scope format screen.

I find that a tall image becomes overwhelming way sooner than a wide image. in fact, I find that the height is THE deciding factor of what's too big for me.
Is a Scope screen the same as a 2.35?

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Is a Scope screen the same as a 2.35?

Yes. The name comes from the brand Cinemascope in the 1950's.
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Yes. The name comes from the brand Cinemascope in the 1950's.
That is the way we will be going... I will have to find a good, and inexpensive lens on a movable sled too.

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