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post #2191 of 2391 Old 05-17-2014, 02:54 PM
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It has arrived .

Hopefully this goes well
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Ok question for those that calibrated there rs46.

Mind you this was my first time trying and if you check the hcfr forum I posted some graphs

Post 3495

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1393853/hcfr-open-source-projector-and-display-calibration-software/3480#post_24731912

Question is when I was tweaking the rgb I noticed there was multiple ways to do it.

One set was in the service menu
Another was in the main color area. I left it on custom and adjusted back and forth from the service menu to main.

But then I realized in the main area if I do custom I have access to both? Whats the correct way I should be adjusting

Sorry if that don't make sense I can post some pics later to make it easier
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That is a ridiculously wide screen for 13' viewing distance...I calculate 56.6 degree viewing angle. Have you visualized that using a bedsheet or similar? I would find that uncomfortable.

I have a 200" diagonal 185" wide scope screen and watch from 13 feet. Not only is it comfortable for me I wish I would have gone the full width I was capable of which would have been about 200" wide. My screen is also a Seymore XD. I mask it down to 156" diagonal for 16/9. If it didn't mess up my speaker setup I would watch from 11-12 feet.

Absolutely do CIH or you will be disappointed when going from 16/9 to scope movies.

Of course the biggest problem is enough lumens, I bought 2 RS4800's and stack them. It can be a little hard to get them matched up and they must be well mounted if you have a lot of bass or the vibration will make them move.

Of course this is all for myself only and I understand some people would not necessarily like it.
In other words...YMMV!

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Edit: Of course I use the zoom method and not an A-lens since I am stacking 2 PJ's.
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I have a 200" diagonal 185" wide scope screen and watch from 13 feet. Not only is it comfortable for me I wish I would have gone the full width I was capable of which would have been about 200" wide. My screen is also a Seymore XD. I mask it down to 156" diagonal for 16/9. If it didn't mess up my speaker setup I would watch from 11-12 feet.

Absolutely do CIH or you will be disappointed when going from 16/9 to scope movies.

Of course the biggest problem is enough lumens, I bought 2 RS4800's and stack them. It can be a little hard to get them matched up and they must be well mounted if you have a lot of bass or the vibration will make them move.

Of course this is all for myself only and I understand some people would not necessarily like it.
In other words...YMMV!

Hope this helps,
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Edit: Of course I use the zoom method and not an A-lens since I am stacking 2 PJ's.

Thank you for the info... Did you buy one of the components that are for stacking projectors... That make it easier to sync them or did you just manually sync them? Do you use the same remote for both projectors, so when you zoom they both do it at the same time? I have 2 Danley DTS-10 subs with one of them being directly below where the projector (s) will be.

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Manually sync.
Use separate remotes, I don't think you could do it with one only.
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how reliable is your lens memory with that? I haven't heard of anybody have absolutely perfect results using lens memory, it's always 'shifted' a bit, I'd be worried with two projectors you'd have to go through that aligning process everytime you changed ratios

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My meter will be here today . I'm in for a mess I know it haha.

I have to access the service menu to do the adjusting?

No, you don't have to access the service menu. There are user settings listed under the "advanced options".
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I just got an TS 46 with 125" Carada BW screen (2.35:1). I have a basic question on setting lens memory. When I use the test pattern there seems to be a pre-configured 2.35 and 16:9 patterns. If I use that should I push the lines over the screen and just into the border, or should the lines be contained within the screen? I have heard both ways but wanted to know the right way to zoom.
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I think it's best to overlap on to border a hair but I'm no expert
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I'd say it depends on your screen. my black borders aren't velvet(it's an electric screen) and content will show on them. if I overlap more than the thickness of that green line in the pattern, I notice it and it becomes distracting to me.

on the other hand, I end up tweaking the position pretty much every time I change settings because having a 1-2mm gap is just as noticeable. I would prefer to do about 1/4" of overlap with a good velvet border that won't show anything. that way the small drift I see won't be noticeable, I won't have to realign constantly, and I'll just enjoy what I have more

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In sorry he is right. Black velvet border to absorb it.

But if you are using a pc or something on it you will have to resize it to see like the start button or anything towards the bottom
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Thanks for the reply, I think I will end up slightly overlapping onto the velvet border.

Another thing I noticed is that when zoomed out for 2.35, my A/V processor's overlay falls below the frame, I wonder if there is a way to adjust that.

Also, I have heard some PJs like Panasonic can automatically detect content type and zoom. That is a cool feature if true. Otherwise I have to zoom to 2.35 setting at the start of the movie and then back to 16:9 after the movie is over.

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I'd say it depends on your screen. my black borders aren't velvet(it's an electric screen) and content will show on them. if I overlap more than the thickness of that green line in the pattern, I notice it and it becomes distracting to me.

on the other hand, I end up tweaking the position pretty much every time I change settings because having a 1-2mm gap is just as noticeable. I would prefer to do about 1/4" of overlap with a good velvet border that won't show anything. that way the small drift I see won't be noticeable, I won't have to realign constantly, and I'll just enjoy what I have more
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In sorry he is right. Black velvet border to absorb it.

But if you are using a pc or something on it you will have to resize it to see like the start button or anything towards the bottom

Not if the overlap is real small.

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Ok So I decided to order a i1Display Pro last week and have been messing with HCFR to calibrate my projector..

This is the first time I ever tried doing this so was looking for some help.

Equipment
JVC RS46
133 HP Dalite screen
Onkyo 818 AVR
HTPC i7 Haswell gtx 760 Nvivda with 8 gigs of ram

What my plan is to use my htpc and Use Madvr Argyll to create a 3dlut. I don't have a Lumagen and from what I been reading this is the way to go.

I been going back and forth with it for the last week spending sometimes 8-10 hours plus a day and been getting advice from some but hey who else better to ask then the pros that worked on them themselves

Here Are some measures.. From my understanding is all I need to really get right is the RGB right now because MADVR will take care of the rest...
MY Contrast Ratio has been terrible low.

I have tried using my Panasonic Bluray player Direct to the JVC as well and still having problems .. So that means eliminated the onkyo 818 and if any at all problems in the HTPC

This is my latest Reading.








I know there is a learning curve with this stuff but for the past week all I have been doing is adjust RGB back and forth and basically the first steps of the guide..

Any help I would greatly appreciate because I am to the point of trying to pull my hair out

JVC Settings as of right now with those readings

Picture Mode= Natural
Contrast Brightness Color Tint all at 0
Color Temp Custom 1 with readings of
Gain Red -1
Gain Green -11
Gain Blue -8
Offset Red -11
Offset Green 3
Offset Blue -1

Color Space Standard
Custom 3 Gama 2.6
Lens Aperture 0
Lamp Power Low
HDMI Is set to Enhanced because when using HTPC That's the only way black lvls will show 17+,,, If I used a standard Bluray player the flashed in both super white and Standard
Color Space Auto
Control with HDMI On

For My black lvl I have it set at 3 because that's when both boxes look black


I would appreciate the Help because this is driving me nuts and I have been reading non stop... Thanks all
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HDMI Is set to Enhanced because when using HTPC That's the only way black lvls will show 17+,,, If I used a standard Bluray player the flashed in both super white and Standard

you may be better off switching your HTPC to show 16-235(limited) instead of 0-255(full)

I know when setting up my HTPC, I had to adjust the brightness and contrast settings to get 'below black' and 'above white' to flash.

I still haven't been able to figure out if there's any advantage or disadvantage to using 16-235 or 0-255 for a HTPC, but I know they needed vastly different brightness and contrast settings in order make bars flash below 16 and above 235

for what it's worth, the jvc settings should be used for:
Standard - 'normal' video signal that uses 16-235
Super White - video signal that goes from 16-255(apparently there are some video signals that make use of levels above 235)
Enhanced - 0-255, which my understanding is not used by any current video source, and only really applicable for PC use.

I THOUGHT the idea was to match the mode to the input, and since all video is 16-235, that's what we should use. the only thing is, I've been able to adjust settings for both 16-235 and 0-255 to look good on my jvc when it's set to standard. I don't really know if I'm supposed to do anything differently when using a 0-255 source and enhanced setting. this has been something I've been unable to figure out myself

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Ya for the past week I have been having problems going back and forth.

It sounds like you have messed with it more then I have. I never tried going back to 16-235 so that might help getting better results.

What program are you using to calibrate?

Also are you using madvr to do the video rendering on it? From what I have been reading it works almost as good as a lumagen but requires heavy pc hardware.

Calman 5 has autocal and it's supposed to do pc levels in enhanced mode .
Wonder how close it would get it
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Folks, I'm considering buying the PJ for my basement theater. It will be a totally dark room so I'm looking forward to the deep blacks from the X35.

But this thread is scaring me.

-Does this unit require all this calibration? My eyes are glazing over reading about these color settings and fancy graphs
-Will I get a decent picture out of the box?
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Folks, I'm considering buying the PJ for my basement theater. It will be a totally dark room so I'm looking forward to the deep blacks from the X35.

But this thread is scaring me.

-Does this unit require all this calibration? My eyes are glazing over reading about these color settings and fancy graphs
-Will I get a decent picture out of the box?
It depends on your budget, but I am very satisfied with my RS46/X35 projector (No Pro Calibration). New models will be out by the end of the year (probably), so you might want to hold off a bit.

I posted a comparison review between the Panasonic AE8000 & JVC RS46/X35 (click to read).
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It depends on your budget, but I am very satisfied with my RS46/X35 projector (No Pro Calibration). New models will be out by the end of the year (probably), so you might want to hold off a bit.

I posted a comparison review between the Panasonic AE8000 & JVC RS46/X35 (click to read).

Thanks Dreamliner, that comparison was helpful.

I'll be using a 16:9 AT screen 115" diagonal and sitting about 12-13 feet away. (No CIH, my room layout doesn't offer the width needed.)

I think the JVC will do nicely. I'm impressed with the sharpness and black detail in your link
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Folks, I'm considering buying the PJ for my basement theater. It will be a totally dark room so I'm looking forward to the deep blacks from the X35.

But this thread is scaring me.

-Does this unit require all this calibration? My eyes are glazing over reading about these color settings and fancy graphs
-Will I get a decent picture out of the box?

this projector kicked the butt out of my previous one out of the box. i thought it was amazing when i turned it on.

for me, the calibration is more about setting up my HTPC, than the jvc. you may do a couple tweaks with the gamma settings, and if you're really picky the greyscale. but i see no reason why 98% of ppl wouldn't be thrilled with the out of the box performance of a x35

and besides that, it's not like ANY other projector wouldn't benefit from calibration just as much. I'd say the jvc is better out of the box than the competion

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Ya for the past week I have been having problems going back and forth.

It sounds like you have messed with it more then I have. I never tried going back to 16-235 so that might help getting better results.

What program are you using to calibrate?

Also are you using madvr to do the video rendering on it? From what I have been reading it works almost as good as a lumagen but requires heavy pc hardware.

Calman 5 has autocal and it's supposed to do pc levels in enhanced mode .
Wonder how close it would get it

I'm just using windows media center with media browser plugin and shark007 codecs. all my video settings are controlled through the catalyst software that came with my amd video card. i have no experience with madvr

I'm using the avs calibration software, but do not have equipment to do a full calibration. just my eyes and a blue filter. so my focus has really been on dialing in the right brightness/contrast/color/tint settings. and for the most part it's been about adjusting those settings on my PC, not the jvc.

for example, if we look at brightness. i know the jvc should be pretty close to 0. so what i do is set is a touch high, at 1 or 2. then go to my pc settings, and adjust brightness to make sure i see flashing below 16. once I've ensured a 'below black' signal is being sent from my pc, then i can adjust the brightness on the jvc to make sure black is set to 16. if i overshoot the brightness on the pc and end up with a setting of like -7 on the jvc, i will go back and readjust until i think i have a good result with the jvc setting between -1 and 1. this way, the jvc doesn't look terrible for my other sources.

if practice though, i haven't ever been that far off. it's just that if i don't change the settings on the pc first, i can't ever see flashing below 16, which means even if the jvc were set correctly, my pc wouldn't be giving me all the shadow details in the content. same with contrast. if it's set too high on the pc, i can drop the contrast on the jvc to the lowest setting and STILL not get flashing bars up to or passed 235. so you definitely need to make those adjustments to the pc first, but if you overshoot, be prepared to readjust until the settings on the JVC are pretty much all around 0. I've never seen any pro calibration set them higher than 1 or lower than -1.

as far as the enhanced mode, this is where I'm still a little confused. if 100% of movies and video is encoded in the 16-235 standard, i don't think there would be a benefit to using 0-255 even if you could set it correctly. i certainly wouldn't enjoy watching a movie if 0 was black and 16 was the lowest value in the movie. it'd be like watching the worst lcd ever made. if the program was converting the 16-235 source to 0-255, what would be the benefit? if the original source doesn't contain the extra info, i think it's always best to do as little processing as possible. but this is definitely an area of confusion for me, and while i have done enough research to understand the settings, i have no idea about the results of using them.

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I'm just using windows media center with media browser plugin and shark007 codecs. all my video settings are controlled through the catalyst software that came with my amd video card. i have no experience with madvr

I'm using the avs calibration software, but do not have equipment to do a full calibration. just my eyes and a blue filter. so my focus has really been on dialing in the right brightness/contrast/color/tint settings. and for the most part it's been about adjusting those settings on my PC, not the jvc.

for example, if we look at brightness. i know the jvc should be pretty close to 0. so what i do is set is a touch high, at 1 or 2. then go to my pc settings, and adjust brightness to make sure i see flashing below 16. once I've ensured a 'below black' signal is being sent from my pc, then i can adjust the brightness on the jvc to make sure black is set to 16. if i overshoot the brightness on the pc and end up with a setting of like -7 on the jvc, i will go back and readjust until i think i have a good result with the jvc setting between -1 and 1. this way, the jvc doesn't look terrible for my other sources.

if practice though, i haven't ever been that far off. it's just that if i don't change the settings on the pc first, i can't ever see flashing below 16, which means even if the jvc were set correctly, my pc wouldn't be giving me all the shadow details in the content. same with contrast. if it's set too high on the pc, i can drop the contrast on the jvc to the lowest setting and STILL not get flashing bars up to or passed 235. so you definitely need to make those adjustments to the pc first, but if you overshoot, be prepared to readjust until the settings on the JVC are pretty much all around 0. I've never seen any pro calibration set them higher than 1 or lower than -1.

as far as the enhanced mode, this is where I'm still a little confused. if 100% of movies and video is encoded in the 16-235 standard, i don't think there would be a benefit to using 0-255 even if you could set it correctly. i certainly wouldn't enjoy watching a movie if 0 was black and 16 was the lowest value in the movie. it'd be like watching the worst lcd ever made. if the program was converting the 16-235 source to 0-255, what would be the benefit? if the original source doesn't contain the extra info, i think it's always best to do as little processing as possible. but this is definitely an area of confusion for me, and while i have done enough research to understand the settings, i have no idea about the results of using them.


I agree with you on some of it but where I think the 0-255 comes into play is madvr. I'm no expert on this so I can easily be wrong.

But from what I was reading yes JVC is pretty accurate at contrast and brightness. Thing is everyone is saying don't make the adjustment on the pc side. I didn't see anyone say using the nvidia control panel to do that.

I'm sure someone else can chime in with some better knowledge then us though.

The meter side is getting tough I keep running into really stupid problems now like my laptop reads my meter but my desktop hcfr won't. Little things keep pushing me back.

It's not as easy as I thought it would be to learn but I'm learning more and more everyday thanks to the great people on this forum
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Folks, I'm considering buying the PJ for my basement theater. It will be a totally dark room so I'm looking forward to the deep blacks from the X35.

But this thread is scaring me.

-Does this unit require all this calibration? My eyes are glazing over reading about these color settings and fancy graphs
-Will I get a decent picture out of the box?

This projector's out of the box settings are quite good. All projectors can benefit from a grayscale calibration to make sure skin tones look natural, etc.

This is all OOTB settings with a minor adjustment to the grayscale. Overall this is a great projector for the price. It will be curious to see if JVC replaces it this year.

RS-46-grayscale.jpg

RS-46-gamma.jpg

These errors are minor, saturation tracking is good, better than JVC's in the past. It can be tweaked to near perfection with a video processor like the lumagen, but it's not really necessary.

RS-46-chromacity.jpg

I've been using my X35 quite a bit lately, very nice overall PQ.
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I agree with you on some of it but where I think the 0-255 comes into play is madvr. I'm no expert on this so I can easily be wrong.

But from what I was reading yes JVC is pretty accurate at contrast and brightness. Thing is everyone is saying don't make the adjustment on the pc side. I didn't see anyone say using the nvidia control panel to do that.

I'm sure someone else can chime in with some better knowledge then us though.

The meter side is getting tough I keep running into really stupid problems now like my laptop reads my meter but my desktop hcfr won't. Little things keep pushing me back.

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I think it's because you're using a meter and I'm not. I'm sure there's a difference in what our PC's are doing as well.

I just know with mine, if I didn't adjust the brightness/contrast settings, it was not possible for me to make accurate adjustments with the jvc's controls. if nothing below 18 ever flashes, it's really impossible to set the jvc's brightness correctly, for example. and that was the case I had if I didn't adjust the PC settings.

madvr is completely foreign to me. I don't even know what the program is used for

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Hey what's the highest anyone has gotten a bulb to on the 46? I hit the 2900 hour mark two weeks ago and it's prompting me for a replacement. The image is still plenty bright in normal lamp mode. Course I'm on a 120in high power screen.

I once had the RS2 over 3000 hours before the image got intolerably dim, and that was just a 2000 hour bulb.

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I read in a review that some projectors like the Panasonic that have lens memory can automatically sense content and recall a memory setting. That sounds really cool but curious how it actually works. If it does work I wonder why JVC did not implement this feature.
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Hey what's the highest anyone has gotten a bulb to on the 46? I hit the 2900 hour mark two weeks ago and it's prompting me for a replacement. The image is still plenty bright in normal lamp mode. Course I'm on a 120in high power screen.

I once had the RS2 over 3000 hours before the image got intolerably dim, and that was just a 2000 hour bulb.

Was that all movies?
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Hehe, no we watch most of our television on it as well, Game of Thrones, Walking Dead watched all of Battlestar Galactica on Blu Ray on this bulb actually.

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I read in a review that some projectors like the Panasonic that have lens memory can automatically sense content and recall a memory setting. That sounds really cool but curious how it actually works. If it does work I wonder why JVC did not implement this feature.

I've only heard murmurs of the panny's lens memory, but I believe it does things electronically and not physically. like for 2.35 content it will move the image electronically and stack both black bars on the bottom. that may be what is done automatically, I don't know.

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Folks, I'm considering buying the PJ for my basement theater. It will be a totally dark room so I'm looking forward to the deep blacks from the X35.

But this thread is scaring me.

-Does this unit require all this calibration? My eyes are glazing over reading about these color settings and fancy graphs
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