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After reading > 60 pages of the popular comparison thread, i am interested in buying a sony hw50es. However, have some mounting concerns

The room is 15x15 basement space which opens to the left to a large space 15x26 and to the back to a 10x10 space with stairs. The ambient light is minimum at night which is when i plan to use it mostly for cable, movies and rare gaming. the kids are growing to gaming may be improtatnt in next 5 years. there will be ambient light during daytime

here is the issue. i plan to install the projector in a niche (ventilated) in the drop down tray ceiling. the ceiling height is 104". the lowest height of the niche is 16" from the ceiling, so the projector is to be mounted <90" from the floor (bottom within 14" from the ceiling). the throw distance will be between 13 to 13.5 feet as the niche will end at 15' from the screen. i was considering a 110'" screen as there will be a similar drop down niche on the other side. this will allow >2 ft on either side of the ceiling

i was looking at the elite projector calculator (for hw30es) which basically tells me that i have to get closer to 120" for screen size to mount at 13' throw distance so i get within 90' projector height from ceiling. Epson/JVC are more forgiving. the 120" screen will only leave 2' from tthe bottom and 23" from the top (7" from the dropdown tray ceiling). this will be tight

here are my questions:

will it be possible to still mount the sony in such a situation?

what mount do i use. do i need a low profile?

is the vertical shift for 50es better than 30es?

should i switch to epson/jvc?

also need recommendations for screen in my setting? Budget around 1000$
have considered elite screens cine grey and dragonfly grey

need recs for surround sound system with a minimalist look? Budget around 3000$
like the look of wall mount and satellite speakers. would lik eto stay away from tower..
considering
psb imagine on wall (60 and 25 for surround)
monitor audio shadow
paradigm millenia hybrid 20
golden ear supersats (50 and 3 for surrounds)
revel M10, c10 and s12's
will it be bad (for sound quality) to have 2 wall mounted speakers on either sider of the screen and the center in the bottom. i can mount the L/R to match the bottom of the screen


thanks in anticipation

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I'm not sure what calculator you are using exactly but I have about a 13' throw in my room and I'm using a 106" screen with my hw50es. I have plenty of room to go larger or smaller.

Try http://www.projectorcentral.com/Sony-VPL-HW50ES-projection-calculator-pro.htm
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I posted some info here on the HW50 throw ratio.  Are you considering a 16x9 or 2.35:1 scope screen at 110" 13-13.5' throw distance?  A 16x9 screen with 110" diagonal puts you at 1.41 (at 13') which is right at the limit of the short throw distance.

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the issue is not the throw from 13'. I can throw upto 135" from 13'. the issue is i want to keep the base of the projector within 14" of the ceiling. At the same time i want the upper edge of the throw (on the screen) to be atleast 20" below the ceiling. is that possible? i believe it has to do with vertical spread/displacement. pardon my lack of correct term
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forgot to mention, 16:9 screen
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Here's the specs on vertical lens shift:

 

 

 

If you're mounted on horizontal center then you can use all of the 0.71V shift.  If not, the amount of shift available will be slightly less.  If you're doing an inverted ceiling mount then the ideal situation is to have the center of the lens flush with the top of the screen.  If I understand what you are saying, the lens center would be 14" from the ceiling but the top of the screen will be 20"?  In this case, you only need 6" of vertical shift down which is well within the spec.  If I misunderstood then please clarify the setup.  Thanks.

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@jkasanic

thanks for the specs. Can you please explain how to read this spec. I am a newbie and do not understand how to read the shift range.

you understood me correctly. i would like to the bottom of the projector <14" (preferably 13) from the ceiling. so it may be another 3' from the center of the lens (overall height being 6"). it then comes out to 10" from the center of lens to ceiling. now on the wall i would prefer the top of the throw to be at 23" from the ceiling for a 110' screen. I wish every manufacturer had a calculator for this.

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Basically, with the HW50 you get 0.71V amount of shift (where V is the projected images vertical height) either plus or minus from the center.  This should be more than enough in your setup especially if you're mounted on the horizontal center.  Like I said in the previous post, I'm not sure how you calculated a 135" diagonal with 13' throw but the Sony HW50 would be on the very low end of its throw ratio in this configuration (156"/110" = 1.418).  Ideally, you'd like to be more mid-zoom which is closer to 1.77 but it depends on your picture preference.

 

Maybe this will help you visualize it:

 

http://htrgroup.com/main.php?section=lens-shift

 

I use a Chief RPA-020 mount with a fixed pole extension and a ceiling bracket.

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@jkasanic

thanks for the specs. Can you please explain how to read this spec. I am a newbie and do not understand how to read the shift range.

you understood me correctly. i would like to the bottom of the projector <14" (preferably 13) from the ceiling. so it may be another 3' from the center of the lens (overall height being 6"). it then comes out to 10" from the center of lens to ceiling. now on the wall i would prefer the top of the throw to be at 23" from the ceiling for a 110' screen. I wish every manufacturer had a calculator for this.

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Your 110" diagonal image is 54" in height. 54" x 0.21 = 11.34". 11.34" is the max the center of the lens can be above the top of the image and is only the case, if you do not use any horizontal lens shift. Use of horizontal lens shift, subtracts from the available amount of vertical shift.

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Thanks for the explanation. I believe you used 0.21 as an example. Is that correct? The Sony has 0.71 vertical displacement, which measures at 38"
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Thanks for the explanation. I believe you used 0.21 as an example. Is that correct? The Sony has 0.71 vertical displacement, which measures at 38"

0.71 -0.5 (half screen height) = 0.21. Just easier to multiply screen height by 0.21 rather than screen height divided by 2 and then multiple by 0.71.
38 - 27 (half screen height) = 11

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Thanks for the explanation. I believe you used 0.21 as an example. Is that correct? The Sony has 0.71 vertical displacement, which measures at 38"


0.71 -0.5 (half screen height) = 0.21. Just easier to multiply screen height by 0.21 rather than screen height divided by 2 and then multiple by 0.71.
38 - 27 (half screen height) = 11
Sorry for bringing back to life a super old thread.

I currently have a HW50ES projector mounted on my ceiling, and ever since I've had it I have not been super pleased with the sharpness of the picture. I've tried using Reality Creation, adding a Darbee, and of course making sure that it was as focused as it could get.

My next step, I believe, will be to add an extension pipe, but I'm trying to figure out what the best length would be.

The center of the projector lens is approximately 10" from the top of my 120" screen, and I do not use any horizontal shift.

In a perfect world, should the center of the lens be mounted at the center of the screen? So in my case, around 40" below where it is now? (59" height / 2 = ~30", plus 10" above the screen).

Are there other things to try within the settings that would possibly make the picture more sharp?

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HW50ES projector w/electric Elite 120" ceiling mounted screen (drops in front of plasma)
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Sorry for bringing back to life a super old thread.

I currently have a HW50ES projector mounted on my ceiling, and ever since I've had it I have not been super pleased with the sharpness of the picture. I've tried using Reality Creation, adding a Darbee, and of course making sure that it was as focused as it could get.

My next step, I believe, will be to add an extension pipe, but I'm trying to figure out what the best length would be.

The center of the projector lens is approximately 10" from the top of my 120" screen, and I do not use any horizontal shift.

In a perfect world, should the center of the lens be mounted at the center of the screen? So in my case, around 40" below where it is now? (59" height / 2 = ~30", plus 10" above the screen).

Are there other things to try within the settings that would possibly make the picture more sharp?
If you wanted to use zero lens shift, then yes the lens would be dead center of the screen. If you have the lens at the top of the image or lower, then you are in good shape.

As for sharpness, be sure you have RC turned on, though I would not turn RC up very high. If you still do not like the sharpness, then I would look at another projector.

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If you wanted to use zero lens shift, then yes the lens would be dead center of the screen. If you have the lens at the top of the image or lower, then you are in good shape.

As for sharpness, be sure you have RC turned on, though I would not turn RC up very high. If you still do not like the sharpness, then I would look at another projector.
Thanks, Mike.

I went home over lunch to measure and here's what I have:
*) 96" Ceilings
*) 11.5" from ceiling to top of screen
*) 6.75" from ceiling to center of lens
*) 15.5' throw distance

Based on your previous comment, it appears that I should lower my projector by 4.75". I was thinking about buying a 12" drop pole. Would I gain anything by lowering it 12" vs 4.75"? Or would my picture be even better if I lowered it 34.25", so the center of the lens is right in the middle of the screen?

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Thanks, Mike.

I went home over lunch to measure and here's what I have:
*) 96" Ceilings
*) 11.5" from ceiling to top of screen
*) 6.75" from ceiling to center of lens
*) 15.5' throw distance

Based on your previous comment, it appears that I should lower my projector by 4.75". I was thinking about buying a 12" drop pole. Would I gain anything by lowering it 12" vs 4.75"? Or would my picture be even better if I lowered it 34.25", so the center of the lens is right in the middle of the screen?
I would probably not worry about it and leave it alone. I doubt that you will be able to tell any difference in picture quality between where you have it now vs lowering it a few inches. In theory, lowering it should be better, but in actuality, I doubt it makes much, if any difference. You also have to keep in mind the tradeoff of having the projector down lower where it can he hit by your head. If you use a 12" drop tube, you will only have around 6'-1" of headroom to the projector.

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