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Hi there! As you know from above I am very new to this home theater thing so please excuse any mistakes I make! I have been researching everyday for at least an hour a day for the past month. Also if you feel that the prices aren't worth the product please tell me cause I don't want to be ripped off by my dealer. I know that everyone hates on Bose but I got a really really really good deal on them and I have had them before with complete satisfaction.... =)

Projector: Epson 6020UB + 6 3D Glasses + Mount + Spare Bulb -$3800
Screen: Elite Cinema235 158in - $850
Projection Lens - Panamorph CineVista Lens + Mount - $1500
A/V Receiver: Pioneer SC - 1527K - $1000
Speakers: 2x Bose Acoustimass 15 (Total 11 speakers and 2 Subwoofers + All Speaker Wires) - Total: $1500
Blu-Ray: Pioneer BDP - 140 - $160
Remote Control: NEED SUGGESTIONS!!! (Brands/Models)
HDMI Cables: NEED SUGGESTIONS!!! (Brands/Models)

Also are Monster Brand HDMI cables good as they look?

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I've had better luck with Monoprice's high speed HDMI cables than with Monsters. They're far less expensive as well:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240

Bose: When you're ready to upgrade, demo some decent two-ways with at least 5 1/4" midrange drivers. You'll have better luck getting them to crossover at a reasonable frequency (80 Hz) with a sub.
http://www.intellexual.net/bose.html

These speakers would provide a substantial sonic upgrade from an Acoustimass:
http://www.definitivetech.com/products/studiomonitor-45
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882780078

Good luck with your new HT smile.gif
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What is your room like you will use all this stuff?

Most of your prices seem MSRPish so you are not getting ripped off. Just for reference you could get an Epson 5010 and mount for alot less but it is not the same thing (less warranty and no extra bulb). You have to make decisions about what is a fair price with your dealer and google.

Are you getting a screen masking system to get with your 2.35 setup?

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Also are Monster Brand HDMI cables good as they look?

A "HomeTheaterGuru" should know better than to ask that! rolleyes.gif

(and, no, total waste of money)

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I love my Harmony 900. Works great, although it takes patience to set it up.

I had dust blobs with my Epson so I would suggest looking at the Sony HW50. Sealed so no dust blobs and brighter for your bigger screen choice.

As long as you like how the speakers sound, that's all that matters....though there are better choices, IMHO.

You don't need to pay premium prices for cables.
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I've had better luck with Monoprice's high speed HDMI cables than with Monsters. They're far less expensive as well:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240

Bose: When you're ready to upgrade, demo some decent two-ways with at least 5 1/4" midrange drivers. You'll have better luck getting them to crossover at a reasonable frequency (80 Hz) with a sub.
http://www.intellexual.net/bose.html

These speakers would provide a substantial sonic upgrade from an Acoustimass:
http://www.definitivetech.com/products/studiomonitor-45
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882780078

Good luck with your new HT smile.gif

I must agree I have a monoprice cable and I do not see any issues with it so far so I may as well stick to it! As for the speakers go for $1400 I got 11 speakers and 2 subwoofers. (Really cheap) I will take those speakers into consideration when upgrade cause thats off my budget at the moment. ***Better sound through research - Better profits through marketing***biggrin.gif

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What is your room like you will use all this stuff?

Most of your prices seem MSRPish so you are not getting ripped off. Just for reference you could get an Epson 5010 and mount for alot less but it is not the same thing (less warranty and no extra bulb). You have to make decisions about what is a fair price with your dealer and google.

Are you getting a screen masking system to get with your 2.35 setup?

Have Fun!

I had no plans for a screen masking system but if it is in a reasonable price range and if I could get some recommendations I will surely take that into consideration! Also I had looked at the 5010 but the bulb its self is around $300 and warranty+THX+contrast ratio upgrade is a fair trade off the price. Also I have been looking around for prices and also noticed they are all near MSRP ish as well.

My screen wall is 174 inches by 84 inches and the depth of the room is 25ft and my seating is at 18ft ish also it is in a basement where I can make it completely black.

Thanks!

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FWIW, a problem you will have with that bose system is the lack of umph from the subwoofer. I don't know much about bose, but I understand they use the sub for frequencies way above 80hz because the speakers don't go low enough on their own. So you can't just toss the bose sub and replace it with a regular sub that was not designed for those above 80hz frequencies (most subs lose significant output over 100hz).

If you are in an apartment, you probably aren't going to miss it since you can't run your bass very loud anyway. But if you are in a house, you will definitely lose out on one of the best parts of the home theater experience - bass so full and strong that it will make your pants legs flap in the breeze and your bones shake. When stuff blows up or dinosaurs walk across the screen, a good sub will convince you that it is really happening and you are right in the middle of it. It is one of those things where you think what you've got is good enough until you experience it done right at a friend's house and you realize you've been living in sonic flatland.


For a poor man's masking system you can get two custom-sized honey-comb blinds and mount them on each side of the screen. Get them in black or some other very dark color like burgundy or hunter green. I think you'd could find both for under $100 at one of the numerous online blind stores. Splurge a couple of hundred dollars more and get them motorized. Some blind manufacturers will even make you a single blind with the middle cut out so it all works via one draw-string or one motor. I am not sure if any will make one as wide as your screen though.

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As many have said, the Monoprice HDMI cables are fine. I'm using 40' Ultra w/ RedMere for my HW50.

For remotes, you may have better luck on other forums, but I personally am not a huge fan of Harmony. They are a good little starter remote but can't touch something more on a professional level. I've owned several URCs and love them. They are more expensive, but completely customizable and they always work. The downside, besides cost, is that they don't come with software and are required to be programmed by a dealer. That being said, if you're resourceful and intelligent you may be able to figure something out.

Another note on Harmony, Logitech is selling off the entire division for poor performance. So right now, their future is a bit unknown which means support for the remote and updates is also relatively unknown at this time.

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I'm an authorized Epson pro dealer. Your dealer cannot sell the 6020 for less than msrp. Epson will cut you off if they catch you. It happened to someone I know. Epson is strict on their Pro Cinema pricing
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Look into Rti or Urc for remotes
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I'm an authorized Epson pro dealer. Your dealer cannot sell the 6020 for less than msrp. Epson will cut you off if they catch you. It happened to someone I know. Epson is strict on their Pro Cinema pricing

I traded by old Yamaha 7.1 A/V receiver + Bluray player + old stereo system for it cause it didn't support HDMI/3D and I wanted 9.2/11.2........ Technically I still bought it for $4k... So that why I got a better price on it...

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FWIW, a problem you will have with that bose system is the lack of umph from the subwoofer. I don't know much about bose, but I understand they use the sub for frequencies way above 80hz because the speakers don't go low enough on their own. So you can't just toss the bose sub and replace it with a regular sub that was not designed for those above 80hz frequencies (most subs lose significant output over 100hz).

If you are in an apartment, you probably aren't going to miss it since you can't run your bass very loud anyway. But if you are in a house, you will definitely lose out on one of the best parts of the home theater experience - bass so full and strong that it will make your pants legs flap in the breeze and your bones shake. When stuff blows up or dinosaurs walk across the screen, a good sub will convince you that it is really happening and you are right in the middle of it. It is one of those things where you think what you've got is good enough until you experience it done right at a friend's house and you realize you've been living in sonic flatland.


For a poor man's masking system you can get two custom-sized honey-comb blinds and mount them on each side of the screen. Get them in black or some other very dark color like burgundy or hunter green. I think you'd could find both for under $100 at one of the numerous online blind stores. Splurge a couple of hundred dollars more and get them motorized. Some blind manufacturers will even make you a single blind with the middle cut out so it all works via one draw-string or one motor. I am not sure if any will make one as wide as your screen though.

So big black blinds will do then I guess? Ill look around for them most probably online. As for the subwoofers go, I doubt I will need that great deal of difference cause I already have one system and I am satisfied with it . But when I do upgrade, I will definitively look into higher end ones.

Thanks!!

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You can get much better Boston Acoustic speakers at a give-away price if you act soon.

BOSTON ACOUSTICS A250 2-Way Dual 5.25in Floor Standing Speaker EA White

http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/BOSA250WHA/BOSTON-ACOUSTICS-A250-2-Way-Dual-5.25in-Floor-Standing-Speaker-EA-White/1.html

Get a bunch of these speakers at $99 each and a couple of Polk subwoofers at Newegg and you are all set. Bose really is bad stuff.
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You can get much better Boston Acoustic speakers at a give-away price if you act soon.

BOSTON ACOUSTICS A250 2-Way Dual 5.25in Floor Standing Speaker EA White

http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/BOSA250WHA/BOSTON-ACOUSTICS-A250-2-Way-Dual-5.25in-Floor-Standing-Speaker-EA-White/1.html

Get a bunch of these speakers at $99 each and a couple of Polk subwoofers at Newegg and you are all set. Bose really is bad stuff.

$2050 FOR SHIPPING + $1100 FOR SPEAKERS = LOLOLOL 2X the price for shipping..

I understand bose is bad this is a really basic setup. Couple years down the road I am going to upgrade so I will get good ones maybe even B&W...

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$2050 FOR SHIPPING + $1100 FOR SPEAKERS = LOLOLOL 2X the price for shipping..

I don't know where you live, but when I put 11 speakers in the cart, I got Fedex ground shipping of $280 to Los Angeles and $210 to Boston.

On the other hand, you might have a problem using these for your 2 height channels, maybe the stand can be detached from the speaker itself, I don't know.

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Shipping is only $30 for where I live.
Are these speakers a lot better than Infinity 360's for Home theater use?

That is what i currently have, these speakers are tempting at that price!
White only, what a bummer, I can't use white speakers.


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Also is the Polk audio Polk Audio Bookshelf Speakers (RTIA1) or the Klipsch reference Surround Speaker (RS400B) better?

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questions like that aren't going to get much response in the projector forum

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Also is the Polk audio Polk Audio Bookshelf Speakers (RTIA1) or the Klipsch reference Surround Speaker (RS400B) better?

I'm a Klipsch fan myself. BTW what bourbon do you drink?

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If your handy build yourself any of the SEOS designs diysoundgroup sells complete kits will blow any of the speakers your talking about away. There are multiple threads in the DIY speaker section. I'm building some to put in my showroom.
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+1 on the SEOS. I will be building mine in a few months.
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