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Need help. I have a new basement media room build and will be purchasing 1st projector.

Room is 21' wide by 23' deep by 10' ceiling. Expect 70% TV, 20% Movies, and 10% Gaming. Little to no 3D. Some indirect light from windows in adjacent room (this could be managed) and bar lights on dimmers. In media room there are some cans and sconces on dimmers. While pictures show full light, I could come close to full light control, but given interest in TV viewing, I want projector to be capable in some ambient low/indirect light.

Carpet will be dark olive/maroon and walls are combination of stained dark mahogany and flat dark olive paint. Ceilings will be either dark olive or black. I have custom wood trim and 7.2 speakers already installed so I am locked into a max screen size of 142" @ 16:9.

Expect two rows of seats. 1st at 15ft and 2nd at 21ft.

Research leading me towards 2 screens and 4 projectors
[*] Screens - 144" Stewart Studiotek 130, 142" Dalite HP 2.4, 142" Carada Brilliant White (1.3)
[*] Projectors - Sony HW50ES, Epson 6020UB, Sim2 Crystal45, JVC RS55

@Zombie10K has 142" with HP but limited viewing cone would limit viewing from bar area outside media room so I am thinking a bit more viewing angle would be good.

Painting started today (not shown) and carpet expected in 1 week!!





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I would either go smaller on the screen size, especially because you have a lot of ambient light, or go higher gain on the screen. Measured gain of the brilliant white is actually around 1.0 so it won't be as bright as you think. You also need to take into consideration if you calibrate the projector the projector's brightness will go down considerably compared to one of the "torch" modes that don't look particularly good.

As far as a better option goes, it all depends on how much you're willing to spend on a projector. Give us a price and we can make some alternative choices if you really want to keep the screen that large.

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Waited too long to build this theater to go smaller.

Dont mind burning through bulbs to make this work. I have hear Carada gain is overstated.

Dont have unlimited budget but have considered was StudioTek 130 with Sim2 Crystal45 or Panny 8000 with ScreenInnovations Black Diamond

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Waited too long to build this theater to go smaller.

Dont mind burning through bulbs to make this work. I have hear Carada gain is overstated.

Dont have unlimited budget but have considered was StudioTek 130 with Sim2 Crystal45 or Panny 8000 with ScreenInnovations Black Diamond

Other ideas?

Carada BW is referenced @ 1.4 , but on testes it's good as 1.0.. Go with Theater performance by Screen innovations..
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FYI the 6020UB is essentially the same as the 5020UB but with an extra bulb, chief ceiling mount and 3yr warranty.
Sony VPL-HW50ES would be my other pick in that price range.
The Panny 8000 doesn't compete with these two in black levels.

What do you want the picture to look like? Do you prefer plasma look or a softer cinema look?
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Understand 5020/6020 package differences. Have also heard 5010/6010 are close performers as well.

As far as screen preference, I would be interesting to see plasma vs softer cinema side by side but my guess is the sharper plasma fits my eye better.

Other posts seem to indicate like 5020/6020 could deliver good performance @ 142" provided I get right screen.

Suggestions include Screen Innovations and StudioTek..do you agree?

Check that, appears Screen Innovations does not offer 142 @ 16:9
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I'd also recommend the HW50ES as well. It's a great all around performer that also happens to be particularly bright. It'd go great with the StudioTek 130.

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Sony looks interesting but I am not sure I follow this post. It indicates HW50ES has 1000 calibrated lumens vs Epson 600 but then later indicates Epsons are 1/3 brighter in their brighter modes. Can someone explain this?

http://www.projectorreviews.com/sony/hw50es/competitors.php
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Epson has a torch mode that has inaccurate colour - you probably won't use that mode unless all your lights are on.

The calibrated Epson has about the same light output as the Sony.

Watch his video review on the page it is a little easier to follow along

Edit: According to Art, my above statement is wrong and the Sony is brighter than Epson in calibrated mode by 30%. The Epson is 30% brighter than the Sony in their brightest modes, respectively.

With that said, I think if you are going for a low gain screen, you can get away with the Sony in cal mode, but the Epson might be a bit dim and not get that "plasma look" you are after.

I think the best fit that hasn't been discussed would be a JVC X35 with a high gain screen. It excels at contrast exceeding the best plasmas. The only trick is that it doesnt have a lot of light output like these two. However, if you went with a 2.4+ screen, crunch the numbers and see if it would work.

Check out the review of Sound & Vision mag, they did a great review of these three in question which corroborates what is said on this forum, except in a concise manner.

I think your best option would be the Sony with a low grain screen or the JVC with a high gain screen. Also PM coderguy or zombie10k and ask them for their opinions.

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142" 16:9 with ST130 and the Sony works well. The JVC also works well with a 142" ST130. You are only talking about a 100 lumen difference between these two in calibrated best image mode at mid zoom. That amounts to about 2.5 Foot Lamberts difference in high lamp. Low lamp, there is even less difference. If you go to long zoom, the difference increases a little bit, because the Sony does not lose as many lumens when going to long zoom. Neither of these setups would be a good choice for bright 3D.

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Nate and Sales 5, Thank you! First it is great to hear my desired set up is possible. Second, it is also good that there are options. I will check out review later today. Room is being painted on Monday and carpeted on April 4th so I"d like to get this figured out ASAP
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Now the room is starting to look better for a front projector. smile.gif A world of difference in what the darker colors do for you. Your image will be much better.

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