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Agreed, I see images of some really nice home theaters, but it seems cosmetics are prioritized above performance - where as my take is the opposite.
as my room gets darker by the day, I think about this more often as I look through some of the build threads.

the improvements so far are amazing to see with content I am familiar with. The JVC's are screaming for a blacked out room..


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Are you using the velvet for acoustic panels too? Our soffits are open frame, and we are filling them with Denim insulation. Will the velvet be ok... Or do I need something more porous?
Acoustic panels are next, but I would cover them in velvet. I recently got new speakers and I need to make covers for them so I have velvet on order, they are super distracting. Every little thing shows up in a velvet room.

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Acoustic panels are next, but I would cover them in velvet. I recently got new speakers and I need to make covers for them so I have velvet on order, they are super distracting. Every little thing shows up in a velvet room.

thanks for the painful reminder.... this is becoming highly obvious now that the entire wall where my screen is located is covered in pitch black velvet. my black speakers look grey in comparison.


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Acoustic panels are next, but I would cover them in velvet. I recently got new speakers and I need to make covers for them so I have velvet on order, they are super distracting. Every little thing shows up in a velvet room.
I'm certainly no expert on the subject, but from what reading I've done you cannot cover acoustic panels in velvet as sound doesn't pass through the velvet making whatever acoustic treatment material underneath moot. GOM seems to be the popular material to use, however finding anything near the blackness/darkness of velvet isn't possible.
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I'm certainly no expert on the subject, but from what reading I've done you cannot cover acoustic panels in velvet as sound doesn't pass through the velvet making whatever acoustic treatment material underneath moot. GOM seems to be the popular material to use, however finding anything near the blackness/darkness of velvet isn't possible.

I see, well panels are out then, super happy with sound anyway.

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I see, well panels are out then, super happy with sound anyway.
These panels might work. You should order a swatch of material. I am using them with no problem and the prices are good.



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as my room gets darker by the day, I think about this more often as I look through some of the build threads.

the improvements so far are amazing to see with content I am familiar with. The JVC's are screaming for a blacked out room..
There are a number of moments in high contrast, deep black scenes where my jaw just drops watching my RS4810. In fact, it just happened the other night watching Hellboy on Blu-ray.

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I'm certainly no expert on the subject, but from what reading I've done you cannot cover acoustic panels in velvet as sound doesn't pass through the velvet making whatever acoustic treatment material underneath moot. GOM seems to be the popular material to use, however finding anything near the blackness/darkness of velvet isn't possible.
But for bass traps velvet is ok, correct?

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thanks for the painful reminder.... this is becoming highly obvious now that the entire wall where my screen is located is covered in pitch black velvet. my black speakers look grey in comparison.
I ended up doing the stage out of Home Depot black carpet... It is not as dark black as velvet for sure... Who knows, maybe I will change it to velvet later.

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Not sure if I posted this before in this thread, but here is my latest. Rosco paint, "Tuxedo" black carpet, Protostar on side walls close to edge of Stewart ST100 screen. Not sure you can make it out, but on the far left side is a window blackout styrofoam panel covered with Duvetyne material.
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I am looking for a way to stop light from my screen from bouncing off the side of my 2 black tower speakers located on either side of my screen. I thought about using velvet but i am not sure ho to attach it on the speaker. Would the prostar material be an option?

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dan are the speakers flat on the side? Mine are and was considering covering 1/4 plywood with the velvet and then attaching them to the speakers with a bit of clear silicon caulking. This should allow it to be removed with no damage since that stuff holds but isn't like glue.


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But for bass traps velvet is ok, correct?

It should be fine, not much absorbs or reflects low frequency.
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It should be fine, not much absorbs or reflects low frequency.
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I ended up doing the stage out of Home Depot black carpet... It is not as dark black as velvet for sure... Who knows, maybe I will change it to velvet later.
With black (olefin) carpet (likely similar to Depot's), I have found that the darkness (or "reflectance," if you will) of the carpet varies with the grain-like orientation of the fibers.

I installed one strip on a wall in the "short" direction, and an adjacent strip on the same wall was spliced to it in the "long" direction. One strip looked definitely darker (from a given viewpoint) than the other, though they are the same carpet. I found that I could alter the grain of the lighter-appearing carpet section by combing it with a wire brush in a "favored" direction that made it appear darker and more closely matched the other segment.
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With black (olefin) carpet (likely similar to Depot's), I have found that the darkness (or "reflectance," if you will) of the carpet varies with the grain-like orientation of the fibers.

I installed one strip on a wall in the "short" direction, and an adjacent strip on the same wall was spliced to it in the "long" direction. One strip looked definitely darker (from a given viewpoint) than the other, though they are the same carpet. I found that I could alter the grain of the lighter-appearing carpet section by combing it with a wire brush in a "favored" direction that made it appear darker and more closely matched the other segment.
Thanks, I will have to try that.

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wow,now thats black!!
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wow,now thats black!!
Who wants to be first in line to place and order and brag about having the blackest home theater in the world.
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wow that is impressive... I want it! I'll call the the HT room 'The Abyss' titled after one of my favorite movies.
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[QUOTE=dan webster;25716057]I am looking for a way to stop light from my screen from bouncing off the side of my 2 black tower speakers located on either side of my screen. I thought about using velvet but i am not sure ho to attach it on the speaker. Would the prostar material be an option?[/QUOT

I am making covers that fit over the speaker but are not attached, I had some for my last speakers, no pictures, but when I finally get to finishing the covers will post.

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I am looking for a way to stop light from my screen from bouncing off the side of my 2 black tower speakers located on either side of my screen. I thought about using velvet but i am not sure ho to attach it on the speaker. Would the prostar material be an option?[/QUOT

I am making covers that fit over the speaker but are not attached, I had some for my last speakers, no pictures, but when I finally get to finishing the covers will post.
Acoustats, and Vandersteens as I recall both had grill cloth socks. Here is a place that makes them for the Acoustats... http://upholsteryarizona.com/acoustat_upholstery.htm (don't pay attention to the pic).
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dan are the speakers flat on the side? Mine are and was considering covering 1/4 plywood with the velvet and then attaching them to the speakers with a bit of clear silicon caulking. This should allow it to be removed with no damage since that stuff holds but isn't like glue.
Yes my speakers are flat. That sounds like a good idea i may give it a try. Thanks

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I finished the front wall where my screen is located, it's pitch black now and looks very classy. I'm thrilled with the results, I can't stop looking at it.

I'm working on the side wall next, first removing the sconces and wiring in those black eyeball lights I posted earlier.

This is one of my favorite threads on this forum... great motivation to maximum my current projectors. I'll post some before / after photos once I get the next wall done.


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I finished the front wall where my screen is located, it's pitch black now and looks very classy. I'm thrilled with the results, I can't stop looking at it.

I'm working on the side wall next, first removing the sconces and wiring in those black eyeball lights I posted earlier.

This is one of my favorite threads on this forum... great motivation to maximum my current projectors. I'll post some before / after photos once I get the next wall done.

Really interested in how this will effect your HP screen, as you may or may not know I have been waffling over getting a hP screen for like a year. lol.

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Really interested in how this will effect your HP screen, as you may or may not know I have been waffling over getting a hP screen for like a year. lol.
Did you get one? They are off the market till later this fall.. or so Dalite says they will be back..

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Not sure if I posted this before in this thread, but here is my latest. Rosco paint
Which "line" of Rosco paint are you using (video paint)? If you could provide a link. Any tricks on using their paint. I think I remember being a paint you need to dilute before using and better to spray, then using a brush??

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I finished the front wall where my screen is located, it's pitch black now and looks very classy. I'm thrilled with the results, I can't stop looking at it.
I know what you mean.

The usual inclination is to paint surfaces. But, especially when going really dark, a surface covered smoothly with dark velvet or some material tends to look even nicer and more classy when done right.
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Which "line" of Rosco paint are you using (video paint)? If you could provide a link. Any tricks on using their paint. I think I remember being a paint you need to dilute before using and better to spray, then using a brush??
I used the Supersaturated. It's very thick and looks like black tar. My painter didn't bother diluting it as we tested that and it only seemed to lighten it up a bit. Just used a roller and brush.

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Did you get one? They are off the market till later this fall.. or so Dalite says they will be back..
I am looking at the 2.4 gain screen from Elunevison actually. I have a unity 4k Elunevision screen now and it performs very good. But it would be nice to be able to clamp the iris in my JVC down a bunch and still have a bright picture. I have a really good setup for an HP screen, my PJ is mounted behind me on a shelf, mid screen, and the screen is as wide as the room so now bad viewing angles. Just so happy with the uniformity on my current screen I am scared to go with a HP screen.

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