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I almost feel responsible for what has happened within this thread... But zombie10K can now say he has the darkest theater.

Time to get a seamstress to make you some black velvet suits for you and your guests!
Looks to be true.

I'll never quite get there but will have most of it. I updated my theater earlier today on the "Milwaukee" thread. Here's the post - Home Theater Owners Near Milwaukee WI?

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I almost feel responsible for what has happened within this thread... But zombie10K can now say he has the darkest theater.

Time to get a seamstress to make you some black velvet suits for you and your guests!
Meanwhile, an army of angry wives upset by rooms devoid of WAF approaches SOWK's house with pitchforks and torches.......
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"Black" Theater Improvment Thread (Once you go black you never go back?)

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I almost feel responsible for what has happened within this thread... But zombie10K can now say he has the darkest theater.

Time to get a seamstress to make you some black velvet suits for you and your guests!

Last night I threatened to dye our white dog black. We compromised by putting him under a dark grey throw .
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Painting the Ceiling Grid

Well, I've started to fall into the rabbits hole and I'm preparing to add a bit of black to my HT.

I started with painting the screen wall black, wow what a difference, added the painting of the telepost covers and I'm now moving onto building a couple of wing walls and covering them in black velvet. The wing walls will be placed on either side of the screen just past the speakers in an attempt to reduce reflection.

Here's what it looks like at present.









Now as you can see, I need to change my ceiling and I've purchased 2' X 4' Armstrong black ceiling tiles.

The question of the day is whether to buy black ceiling grid, use the light trap tape on the existing grid or spray paint the existing grid.

Has anybody painted their grid?

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Meanwhile, an army of angry wives upset by rooms devoid of WAF approaches SOWK's house with pitchforks and torches.......
The irony is, it's the first time I got a 'wow' from my family. usually they just ignore the mad science in my room since the walls and floor matched the rest of the room. now it looks completely different and they love the velvet curtains and black carpet.

I still have quite a bit of work to do but this is a great start and the positive results are easy to see.

kudos to SOWK for starting the thread and for those that contribute and keep the thread on topic.

also kudos to Joanne fabrics & 50% off coupons. Inexpensive, low profile curtain rods from Bed Bath & Beyond. Gaffer tape (works wonders for hemming the velvet) and Masland color 889 Charcoal carpet.
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The question of the day is whether to buy black ceiling grid, use the light trap tape on the existing grid or spray paint the existing grid.

Has anybody painted their grid?

Thanks.
painting the grid is a bit of a pain and the flat paint will still be more reflective than the protostar flocking material.

I wrapped my entire grid with the protostar flocking material. it's easy to cut and already has the adhesive on it. It takes some time but the results are great.

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No need to cut. It comes in tape form now - http://www.fpi-protostar.com/hitack.htm

My wife and I had the entire grid finished in a short time.
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How do you think the Pro Star compares to the Velvet, Zombie?

I am thinking this might be a good way to cover my speakers. Also nice tip on the tape for the curtains. I need to make a few short runs of curtains to completely envelop the room in Velvet.

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good deal.. wish it was around when I did this last year

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How do you think the Pro Star compares to the Velvet, Zombie?

I am thinking this might be a good way to cover my speakers. Also nice tip on the tape for the curtains. I need to make a few short runs of curtains to completely envelop the room in Velvet.
it's definitely not as 'black' as the velvet but it's great for things like the grid or the sides of the speakers facing the screen. I am still debating on this and will likely try to find a way to make the velvet work just so it matches the walls.

I used Gaffer tape for the sides seams and Gorilla tape for the top fold over where the rods are. I put small 1" strips across the top every few inches so I could arrange the material on the rod which produces a nice ripple.After blowing through 30 yards I have this down to a science now.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HQJXCVC/
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Been gone for a bit, so I don't know if this has been posted anywhere on the forum yet...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/sc...t-9602504.html

Wonder if any of the "well to do" will be putting this in their HT's?
About five or so years ago, Cineramax linked to a black paint that I think was developed for or by Nasa. I don't think I have seen any other mention of it.

Judging by the mention of the dress, it will be expensive. It would be an ideal material to put inside of the projector.
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it's definitely not as 'black' as the velvet but it's great for things like the grid or the sides of the speakers facing the screen. I am still debating on this and will likely try to find a way to make the velvet work just so it matches the walls.

I used Gaffer tape for the sides seams and Gorilla tape for the top fold over where the rods are. I put small 1" strips across the top every few inches so I could arrange the material on the rod which produces a nice ripple.After blowing through 30 yards I have this down to a science now.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HQJXCVC/

I was thinking Pro star for my speakers , out of pure laziness. I really should use velvet covers since my entire room is velvet.
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Has anybody painted their grid?

Thanks.

I almost did, turned out I like it unpainted. Reminds me of the (a) Holodeck.
I think the real trick was to paint the tiles Black bar black (dark grey/black).

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It is expensive but Amazon and the supplier also sells Black Velvet tape. I am using it for screen boarders and it works great. Can be used for other things.

http://www.amazon.com/4-5-Velvet-Pro.../dp/B004MO3JTO
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I was thinking Pro star for my speakers , out of pure laziness. I really should use velvet covers since my entire room is velvet.

Use velvet. I was thinking Protostar for my speakers for the same reason as you, but it just is not quite as black as the velvet. With the Protostar, the speakers still showed a slight glow in my tests (very slight, but it was there) but with the velvet they just vanish when a movie is playing.
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it's definitely not as 'black' as the velvet but it's great for things like the grid or the sides of the speakers facing the screen. I am still debating on this and will likely try to find a way to make the velvet work just so it matches the walls.

I used Gaffer tape for the sides seams and Gorilla tape for the top fold over where the rods are. I put small 1" strips across the top every few inches so I could arrange the material on the rod which produces a nice ripple.After blowing through 30 yards I have this down to a science now.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HQJXCVC/
Did you post a picture of this installation? I'd like to see one as it sounds like something I might like to do.

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3 color pack is most economical http://www.goodbuyguys.com/catalog/a...rey-p-369.html

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Use velvet. I was thinking Protostar for my speakers for the same reason as you, but it just is not quite as black as the velvet. With the Protostar, the speakers still showed a slight glow in my tests (very slight, but it was there) but with the velvet they just vanish when a movie is playing.
Exactly like my experience with Protostar vs a good black velvet.

Speakers tend to be placed right near the screen surface and so will take on the most reflected light and light up.
It took Fidelio black velvet to make the speakers disappear right beside and under my screen, no matter how bright
a scene was.


I just cut a velvet piece as wide as my speakers, had the edges sewn neat, put Velcro on the ends and on the bottom of my speakers, and the velvet just wraps tightly around the speaker, attaching to the Velcro at the bottom.
The velvet fits so tightly and neatly that it looks like the actual surface of the speakers, like they came that way.
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painting the grid is a bit of a pain and the flat paint will still be more reflective than the protostar flocking material.

I wrapped my entire grid with the protostar flocking material. it's easy to cut and already has the adhesive on it. It takes some time but the results are great.

http://www.fpi-protostar.com/flock.htm



I have floor to ceiling heavy black velvet curtains from screen wall to the back of my seating, but, my ceiling is just flat black paint. Want to do something with the ceiling, but holding off, waiting to see how Atmos and the other new surround sound formats shake out.

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There is now a great range of materials available - listed in this thread - to make anyone's home theater very dark and non reflective. Thanks SOWK for starting this - this is a great reference. Even if someone just wants to partially darken a room and not build a " bat cave ", this is the thread to find the ideas and the materials !!

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I just ordered some 12oz black Duvetyne from here... http://www.chicagocanvas.com/duvetyn/. I am going to use it for the whole wall behind my AT screen. I might even use it for some of my side wall, and ceiling areas.

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I just ordered some 12oz black Duvetyne from here... http://www.chicagocanvas.com/duvetyn/. I am going to use it for the whole wall behind my AT screen. I might even use it for some of my side wall, and ceiling areas.
I used Duvetyne to wrap my foam window block out panel - works great.
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If anyone is looking for the Joann Royalty 3, there are a few coupons here ->>>>>>>

They have a 50% off coupon for in-store or online. I ordered another 50 yards, it's going quicker than I expected. the 44" width is really around 36" once I arrange it on the curtain rod so it presents a nice ripple. I want it to look like curtains so that's going to cost extra. Plus I want enough to cover all 50 tiles. These black tiles are quite nice but they don't compare to the velvet so now I have no choice but to cover them.
This ended up being a mistake, their online store doesn't have real time inventory and they are completely out of the royalty 3 velvet. What's odd is the online rep said the local store I originally ordered from had access to 500+ yard of it. They use different warehouses.

my local store got the first order in 4 business days, so i'll have to go back and order it from there. There is a 50% in-store coupon I linked to above that is good through 7/31.
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This ended up being a mistake, their online store doesn't have real time inventory and they are completely out of the royalty 3 velvet. What's odd is the online rep said the local store I originally ordered from had access to 500+ yard of it. They use different warehouses.

my local store got the first order in 4 business days, so i'll have to go back and order it from there. There is a 50% in-store coupon I linked to above that is good through 7/31.
My local store only had less than 2 yards left when I picked up 12 yards which was in 7 and 5 yard quantity... I really would like larger bolts than they had.

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some info on the NASA black paint that was being discussed earlier:

http://www.bluesat.unsw.edu.au/~pete...ze_Z306_TB.pdf

this doesn't look practical to use inside a home, look at the application method.

This is interesting, it's supposed to be one of the blackest materials available.

http://www.edmundoptics.com/lab-prod...bent-foil/3634

all of this in my hunt for a good black paint for a particular area of my room. It's a section of drywall ceiling that is far back from the screen and doesn't need velvet. The Rosco velour black looks like the best option.
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This is interesting, it's supposed to be one of the blackest materials available.

http://www.edmundoptics.com/lab-prod...bent-foil/3634
This seems to best the best material around and is extremely cost effective especially if one could score say a 40% off coupon. Maybe I should remove the extremely, you think? Its a lot cheaper than a sq ft of luxury high rise in NYC. The problem though it is not at all abrasion resistant and has a do not touch warning on the specifications.
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I have velvet on my ceiling and it really makes a difference, it is what made my room disappear. You may as well just go for it, give in completely to the dark side.
Oh, I will. I just don't want to put it in and then turn right around and tear part of it out. I have done that enough. Less than a year ago, that I redid my front wall and now, as soon as my custom drivers show up, I am tearing it out again to completely re-work it again.
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some info on the NASA black paint that was being discussed earlier:

http://www.bluesat.unsw.edu.au/~pete...ze_Z306_TB.pdf

this doesn't look practical to use inside a home, look at the application method.

This is interesting, it's supposed to be one of the blackest materials available.

http://www.edmundoptics.com/lab-prod...bent-foil/3634

all of this in my hunt for a good black paint for a particular area of my room. It's a section of drywall ceiling that is far back from the screen and doesn't need velvet. The Rosco velour black looks like the best option.
Overall, I have been very happy with the Rosco velour black as I used it for my entire room (aside from some Protostar on the sidewalls near screen to soak in glare).
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I don't know if I have mentioned this before or if someone else has, but what about using thin shear pieces of black cloth? Put them in multiple layers to truly trap the light.
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This seems to best the best material around and is extremely cost effective especially if one could score say a 40% off coupon. Maybe I should remove the extremely, you think? Its a lot cheaper than a sq ft of luxury high rise in NYC. The problem though it is not at all abrasion resistant and has a do not touch warning on the specifications.
money is no object to ensure that my room will be darker than yours. (remember you instigated this 2 years ago..)

I'm going 1 step further and working with NASA on their new carbon nano-tube material. The application seems straight forward enough. All we have to do to grow the material is apply a catalyst later of iron to an underlayer on the silicon substrate. Then we have to heat the material to 750° C (1,382° F). While heating, the material has to be bathed in a carbon-containing feedstock gas.

simple! I should have it done by end of day once i'm done installing the blast furnace.

i'm naming the room 'The Black Hole' after the somewhat disturbing Disney flick from 1979 that caused nightmares as a child in the 70's.
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