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post #1261 of 1340 Old 10-26-2014, 12:42 PM
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Yes both pictures taken from the same place.

My screen is hidden above the blinds behind a pelmet in the ceiling.

Here are a few more pictures.







Basically covering the back wall and floor is one big sheet of Molton black fabric supported by a rope that hangs off hooks in the wall either side. These are hidden behind the pelmet.

The ceiling is a length of Molton black fabric with wood at either end I have stapled the fabric to it.

To attach it to the ceiling I have had to remove the light from the center of the celing, its attached to the celing by wing nuts so I take the light down and put the wood back in its place.

At the other end it is supported by threaded bar hooks I have made these hang from eyes I have screwed in to wood hidden behind my trusty pelmet.

To get tension in the fabric I have screwed eyes into the wood supporting the ceiling fabric and I slide these onto the threaded rod I then screw a nut onto the threaded bar. The more I turn the nut up the rod the tighter the fabric gets.

And finally the sides the are supported by wooden poles at the top with hooks screwed in at either end these hang off the wood supporting the ceiling fabric and another hook hidden behind the pelmet.

I think that about covers it if I made any sense at allŪ†ĹŪłÄ
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Awesome job! That's dedication. But what a pay-off.

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So in 10 minutes my living room goes from this:


To this:
My room goes from a bright room into a black velvet box...

...in about 20 seconds.


That's the benefit of curtains, that I often write about.

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Thanks for the clarification Adam. Yes, that all makes sense now.
Great work and very inspiring.
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Looks like you have been very busy harkness.

I like your idea of curtains but I can't hide the tracks in my room.

I am guessing you have a pelmet running the entire length of your room?
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Looks like you have been very busy harkness.

I like your idea of curtains but I can't hide the tracks in my room.

I am guessing you have a pelmet running the entire length of your room?
I'm not good with building terms, but whatever it's called, we built down a portion of the ceiling to be covered with
fabric both for light bounce rejection, sound absorption, and to contain the pot lights. We left space between the perimeter of the build-down and the existing walls. It's one of the best design decisions we made as I've been able to hid all manner of curtain tracks and other mechanical stuff up there, keeping everything neat looking.
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My room goes from a bright room into a black velvet box...
...in about 20 seconds.

That's the benefit of curtains, that I often write about.

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Reading your build was the final big push that made me go black and fabric..and want room-tracking curtains (which I ended up not finding proper supplies for, so fell a ways short).

I hope to inch closer to that fast-switch, no compromises situation at some point.
Has anyone found a fast-change way to darken/lighten the ceiling, similar to the curtained walls (maybe on a thread page that I missed)?

Simple <$250 dedicated black-fabric theater room, build in a day, takedown in an hour.
Easy $25-40 DIY black/dark-grey ambient-light rejecting screen, grab two things from a local store..mix..roll..done.
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How black is your room

For all of those with a "bat cave", here is a test for you.

1) Zoom your 16:9 projector to be 10% smaller than your screen (so that the left hand side of the screen is not illuminated by the projector).

2) using a calibration disk, put up a window at 100% full white.

3) Measure the brightness of the 100% white. coming off the screen, and measure the light coming off the 10% left hand portion of the screen. This portion of the screen is only lit by reflected light.

4) What is the ratio of the 100% window to the un-illumunated screen.

Note: you may find it difficult to make this measurement, as the light level on the unlit portion of the screen is very low. One way to do this is to take a picture (using an SLR in manual mode, raw picture), making sure not to saturate the picture.

Then use software that reads the pixels in raw linear format (e.g. IRIS free software http://www.astrosurf.com/buil/us/iris/iris.htm ). Convert the Bayer raw pixel values into a 16 bit black and white picture, and compare the 100% white to the 10% left white screen (illuminated by reflections only).

The absolute scale doesn't matter, I'm only interested in the ratio.
I have not done this myself - as my room is hardly a bat cave (I have mid brown walls but a white ceiling). Perhaps I will make the measurement and report back.
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The screen material will make a difference with this type of test.

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The screen material will make a difference with type of test.
True, so list the screen material when making the test,
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Hi guys,

First time poster here. I have been doing some research/ forum browsing in regards to light treating home theater rooms. I have a dedicated home theater room with an open back leading into an open plan kitchen.

My gear consists of:
JAMO CONCERT D870s as fronts(pm7004), D830s as surrounds, D8 center (biamp from a marantz pm7004), Concert 80 rear surrounds, and a C80 sub. My preamp/processing amp is a Yamaha rx v1075.
Projector is a panasonic ptae1000 on a 100inch electric screen.
My room is 3.5m wide, 2.5m high and 4.5m long.

So my idea is to run black felt on both sides of the screen wall(these will be about 100mm behind the screen), paint the screen roll housing matt black, line 1m out from the screen on both sides and the ceiling with black felt and have a red rug directly underneath the screen.

My question is, will this be enough to get the image to 'float' as it were and have no or very little wall/ceiling reflections?

Thanks in advance.

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Hi guys,

First time poster here. I have been doing some research/ forum browsing in regards to light treating home theater rooms. I have a dedicated home theater room with an open back leading into an open plan kitchen.

My gear consists of:
JAMO CONCERT D870s as fronts(pm7004), D830s as surrounds, D8 center (biamp from a marantz pm7004), Concert 80 rear surrounds, and a C80 sub. My preamp/processing amp is a Yamaha rx v1075.
Projector is a panasonic ptae1000 on a 100inch electric screen.
My room is 3.5m wide, 2.5m high and 4.5m long.

So my idea is to run black felt on both sides of the screen wall(these will be about 100mm behind the screen), paint the screen roll housing matt black, line 1m out from the screen on both sides and the ceiling with black felt and have a red rug directly underneath the screen.

My question is, will this be enough to get the image to 'float' as it were and have no or very little wall/ceiling reflections?

Thanks in advance.

Cameron
It should certainly help. Blacking out the screen wall and floor / ceiling adjacent to the screen made a big improvement in my theater. I'd use black rugs if I were you under the screen - you can buy them on line at Walmart. As far as that open back area - curtains or drapes possible that look decorative and slide out of the way when not in use ?

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I also designed my HT to look homey, living room by day and convert to a HT at night. I have a motorized AT screen come down from the ceiling to accomplish a large part of this.
I also thought about putting up black velvet curtains that I could open and close, however by doing so I'd be covering the acoustic panels on the wall. Is there a workaround that I'm missing?
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I also designed my HT to look homey, living room by day and convert to a HT at night. I have a motorized AT screen come down from the ceiling to accomplish a large part of this.
I also thought about putting up black velvet curtains that I could open and close, however by doing so I'd be covering the acoustic panels on the wall. Is there a workaround that I'm missing?
Thx
Not sure if it is something you would want to do but I do removeable velvet panels.. Embedded metal strips at the top of the wall, magnets held on the back of velvet with gaffer tape.. see this link for some pics and some comments once photo is clicked on. Livingroom update for projection.
You could make multiple panels surrounding your acoustic treatment..
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Not sure if it is something you would want to do but I do removeable velvet panels.. Embedded metal strips at the top of the wall, magnets held on the back of velvet with gaffer tape.. see this link for some pics and some comments once photo is clicked on. Livingroom update for projection.
You could make multiple panels surrounding your acoustic treatment..
thanks, thought not sure how much difference it would make in terms of blackening the room as the acoustic panels take up a large section of the wall between the screen and seats
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Installed a new carpet in my room yesterday, it replaces a scabbed together mess of several 4x3' mats taped together. This new carpet is 4 4x12 sections of carpet taped together, however it looks seamless, also the carpet is much darker then the mats were. What a difference a darker carpet makes, still not as dark as the velvet on the walls but an improvement. My room is now about 80% black. Still have to make my speaker covers and a few curtains then I might just have the darkest HT on the planet.lol

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I thought about this thread the other night. I have the 1" frames of my first reflection panels/bass traps covered with Protostar as the light coming off the screen lights these frames up and is eye catching. It's amazing how something this small and simple can be such a visual distraction which you don't realize until you go back to it uncovered. I had about a 2' piece peel off (the adhesive backing on the protostar is garbage) and right away as I sat down with the lights down and previews playing it caught my eye as something was clearly different in my room. It is amazing to me how distracting it was going back to this uncovered piece of frame after how used I am to them covered up now! Went over and fixed the issue and all was right with my front viewing stage again. Goes to show how visually distracting even the small little details type things can be and going to the effort to treat even these areas is worth the effort.

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Yes, the darker the room gets the more little things show up. I recently put a second sub in my front sound stage. It is like a spotlight in my room because it is uncovered.

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I thought about this thread the other night. I have the 1" frames of my first reflection panels/bass traps covered with Protostar as the light coming off the screen lights these frames up and is eye catching. It's amazing how something this small and simple can be such a visual distraction which you don't realize until you go back to it uncovered. I had about a 2' piece peel off (the adhesive backing on the protostar is garbage) and right away as I sat down with the lights down and previews playing it caught my eye as something was clearly different in my room. It is amazing to me how distracting it was going back to this uncovered piece of frame after how used I am to them covered up now! Went over and fixed the issue and all was right with my front viewing stage again. Goes to show how visually distracting even the small little details type things can be and going to the effort to treat even these areas is worth the effort.
Exactly my experience.

And that extends even to masking an image perfectly IMO. I was watching a movie last night and then noticed the top of the image didn't quite reach the masking. It left probably about an inch or two of projected "black" between the edge of the image and the upper masking. So I adjusted the masking down to cover it and, as usually, I immediately apprechated the difference. You may not directly note a fuzziness to one of the borders, until it's removed, and then it just looks that much more exact, that much better.

I was giddy looking at my image, framed with a razor's edge black, against a perfectly pitch black background, and this was with an old family drama (Kramer vs Kramer).

I've ordered one last velvet curtain, the final piece in my puzzle, to slide across the current dark brown velvet curtain that covers my doorway. Then every surface in view of the image will have been made perfect pitch black.
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Offtopic question! How do you fight dust in all these velvety-carpety environments?
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Offtopic question! How do you fight dust in all these velvety-carpety environments?
Well, dust is typically not a problem on walls, so I have vacuum occasionally just like any other room in then house.
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Well, dust is typically not a problem on walls, so I have vacuum occasionally just like any other room in then house.
Now this brings up a question. How many guys vac and clean their dedicated rooms or does the wife clean your dedicated room, when cleaning the house. In my house, for vac, I would say it is 50/50. For dusting off equipment it is 100% me.
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Now this brings up a question. How many guys vac and clean their dedicated rooms or does the wife clean your dedicated room, when cleaning the house. In my house, for vac, I would say it is 50/50. For dusting off equipment it is 100% me.
Any cleaning in the HT is 100% my job.
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Now this brings up a question. How many guys vac and clean their dedicated rooms or does the wife clean your dedicated room, when cleaning the house. In my house, for vac, I would say it is 50/50. For dusting off equipment it is 100% me.
I live alone so I have no choice but to do both. My girlfriend says I do a good job.

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Now this brings up a question. How many guys vac and clean their dedicated rooms or does the wife clean your dedicated room, when cleaning the house. In my house, for vac, I would say it is 50/50. For dusting off equipment it is 100% me.
My wife rarely goes into our room.I (almost) prefer it that way.
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Same here. There is only one thing in the theater that's a problem - popcorn spills on the black carpeting.
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Now this brings up a question. How many guys vac and clean their dedicated rooms or does the wife clean your dedicated room, when cleaning the house. In my house, for vac, I would say it is 50/50. For dusting off equipment it is 100% me.
Even though I am happily married, I consider myself a "single parent" relative to the HT. It's my "child" and no one else is going to raise her. So I do all the necessary up keep.
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Same here. There is only one thing in the theater that's a problem - popcorn spills on the black carpeting.
Yeah, there is also no doubt black carpeting shows more things like lint, strands, etc. It's like having a black car that shows everything.

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We have a cleaning lady who does a vacuum of the room and sofa, but other than that I do cleaning care of the HT room (vacuuming it as well). Vertical surfaces don't build up dust very quickly, but horizontal surfaces do. I probably vacuum, gently, the black velveted "stage" portion under my screen around once every month or two (at most).

For the black velvet covers on my speakers, I'll use a swifter duster, or lint remover.

I have a black velvet material I throw on the floor sometimes to cover the rest of the carpet, making it pitch black for a movie.
But that is usually folded away in an ottoman and so it doesn't pick up dust quickly, and when it does a quick shake outside on the porch completely removes it.
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Just me here, I am a chronic duster and vacumer.lol

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