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I ordered this stuff. Will test it on a sample piece when it gets here.


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What difference in IQ would there be between a fully black painted room and a dark grey/brown?

Screen is 130" with 1.26 gain.
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Alright so since the rest of my materials is almost here, I decided to sand the screen (since its a painted on wall screen) and put on two more coats of my custom blend N9 grey, then I wont have my OCD side of me bugging me when its time to do the black velvet around it.
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Basic question on this topic - is velvet always better than flat paint regardless of color? I have a large open floor plan living space so blacking it out is not an option and for that matter using black isn't something I'm willing to do. The walls are a medium dark khaki but the ceiling is currently white and the screen hangs only about 8" below the ceiling. I'm willing to do some treatment to part of the ceiling as long as I can blend it with the décor of the space. The two options I'm considering are to paint a section of the ceiling maybe 12ft wide by 8ft deep in front of the screen the same as the walls (or maybe a shade darker), or build some sort of panels covered with brown or khaki velvet. Way back in the early pages of this thread someone was doing a herringbone pattern with 4X2 panels on the ceiling. I think that gives some character and would look decent enough although the panels are definitely more work than painting a rectangle. So, assuming roughly the same color paint vs velvet, would the velvet make a difference in reducing reflected light?
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Basic question on this topic - is velvet always better than flat paint regardless of color? I have a large open floor plan living space so blacking it out is not an option and for that matter using black isn't something I'm willing to do. The walls are a medium dark khaki but the ceiling is currently white and the screen hangs only about 8" below the ceiling. I'm willing to do some treatment to part of the ceiling as long as I can blend it with the décor of the space. The two options I'm considering are to paint a section of the ceiling maybe 12ft wide by 8ft deep in front of the screen the same as the walls (or maybe a shade darker), or build some sort of panels covered with brown or khaki velvet. Way back in the early pages of this thread someone was doing a herringbone pattern with 4X2 panels on the ceiling. I think that gives some character and would look decent enough although the panels are definitely more work than painting a rectangle. So, assuming roughly the same color paint vs velvet, would the velvet make a difference in reducing reflected light?

Velvet is better, but as you note, not practical for some of us. I'd just paint the ceiling anything other than white. Pick a darker color that works with your walls. Greys, browns - anything but white !!
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I ordered this stuff. Will test it on a sample piece when it gets here.


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Awesome, I haven't ordered anything yet, be curious to hear how well it works.
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Basic question on this topic - is velvet always better than flat paint regardless of color? I have a large open floor plan living space so blacking it out is not an option and for that matter using black isn't something I'm willing to do. The walls are a medium dark khaki but the ceiling is currently white and the screen hangs only about 8" below the ceiling. I'm willing to do some treatment to part of the ceiling as long as I can blend it with the décor of the space. The two options I'm considering are to paint a section of the ceiling maybe 12ft wide by 8ft deep in front of the screen the same as the walls (or maybe a shade darker), or build some sort of panels covered with brown or khaki velvet. Way back in the early pages of this thread someone was doing a herringbone pattern with 4X2 panels on the ceiling. I think that gives some character and would look decent enough although the panels are definitely more work than painting a rectangle. So, assuming roughly the same color paint vs velvet, would the velvet make a difference in reducing reflected light?
As Craig said, velvet will be darker than paint, but anything is better than white! My theater room is painted with Rosco black velour which is about as black and flat of a paint you can get - and it does work really well. However, it's not nearly as effective as the Protostar material I use to mask glare on the side walls near the edge of my Stewart ST100 screen. The right velvet is even darker than Protostar, but Protostar is a breeze to put on the walls and still does a very good job for my needs. You can see how I have it in the attached photo and how it's darker than the paint.
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I used commando cloth (variation of velvet) for my screen panels....I am not as happy with them as I had hoped after of couple of months. That being said, I contacted Seymour AV (screens) about their baritone black velvet, which costs less than the fidelio...but still not cheap. I'll report back once I get the sample.

Anyone know of a inexpensive or reasonably priced source for fidelio black velvet? I know the original source that members have linked through the years has gone from about $10-15 per yard to $35 per yard is their current price. That's more than I want to invest.

SyFabrics black velvet has a shine to it that I'm not fond of. I may stop at JoAnns and try a sample to compare to Seymour's fabric.

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I used commando cloth (variation of velvet) for my screen panels....I am not as happy with them as I had hoped after of couple of months. That being said, I contacted Seymour AV (screens) about their baritone black velvet, which costs less than the fidelio...but still not cheap. I'll report back once I get the sample.

Anyone know of a inexpensive or reasonably priced source for fidelio black velvet? I know the original source that members have linked through the years has gone from about $10-15 per yard to $35 per yard is their current price. That's more than I want to invest.

SyFabrics black velvet has a shine to it that I'm not fond of. I may stop at JoAnns and try a sample to compare to Seymour's fabric.

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So you actually saw that shine when in use with a projector? I have both the sy and joann.. prefer the Joann as it hangs better, does not wrinkle and yes, less shine BUT I have NEVER seen a shine with the projector on.. you do see it in the sunlight... Then again the HP 2.8 does not really light up the walls the way a regular screen does so maybe that is why I do not see anything but black hole.
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So you actually saw that shine when in use with a projector? I have both the sy and joann.. prefer the Joann as it hangs better, does not wrinkle and yes, less shine BUT I have NEVER seen a shine with the projector on.. you do see it in the sunlight... Then again the HP 2.8 does not really light up the walls the way a regular screen does so maybe that is why I do not see anything but black hole.
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No shine with the projector on, lights off. It's noticeable with the lights on. So it's not a performance issue, it's an aesthetic issue. I am trying to make the room look a little nicer/more polished looking without compromising the performance (if possible).

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One of the factors for me is a comparison for the material to the SMX fidelio frame fabric. I am trying to match to that material as close as possible.

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alright not to bad for my first attempt at working with black velvet and what not, its not perfect but I think its pretty good.

Sorry for the bad cellphone pics...

Update 12.20.15: Im not entirely happy with the velvet surround, as with it being my first time, has some uneven flat lines from when I was folding over the velvet, so what Im thinking of doing is getting like 4" Black velvet tape, masking the boarder of the painted screen with that and then overlaying the panels like an inch into the black tape, so you dont notice it at all but will have super crisp lines surrounding the screen and by doing that fills the small gap of white wall at the top and left side of the wall.

I will say this, it sure makes my screen look even larger...
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Well I received my velvet order to finish up all the odds and ends in my room. Yesterday I finished up the front sound stage, it is now invincible. Really happy with and finishing off the sound stage brings the darkness to yet another level. Now from my couch all I see is screen and only screen. Now one more curtain and I will start pulling planets into the void that is my HT room.

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Well I received my velvet order to finish up all the odds and ends in my room. Yesterday I finished up the front sound stage, it is now invincible. Really happy with and finishing off the sound stage brings the darkness to yet another level. Now from my couch all I see is screen and only screen. Now one more curtain and I will start pulling planets into the void that is my HT room.
Cool stuff, ya nut!

I just recieved my "final" black velvet curtain that will cover the dark brown velvet curtain currently used on one side of my room. Then I will have achieved full-black-hole. The combination of our two rooms existing close enough together may spawn another universe.
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I've been slowly expanding and improving my humble home theater and finally had the chance to paint the walls and ceiling a flat black. I knew that there would be an improvement but I was absolutely blown away how much better it is. I was also surprised when I re calibrated my projector, a JVC RS45, I was able to get the gamma and grayscale even more dialed in than I had previously. Overall very pleased with the improvement this low cost change has made. I think my next changes need to be an addition of an anamorphic lens, a Lumagen radiance so I can dial in calibration further, and replacing the carpet with something much darker. All out of my budget for now, but we'll see what the future holds. See the attached photos.
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Looking at going a similar route here - but with velvet and flocking paper.
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I've been slowly expanding and improving my humble home theater and finally had the chance to paint the walls and ceiling a flat black. I knew that there would be an improvement but I was absolutely blown away how much better it is. I was also surprised when I re calibrated my projector, a JVC RS45, I was able to get the gamma and grayscale even more dialed in than I had previously. Overall very pleased with the improvement this low cost change has made. I think my next changes need to be an addition of an anamorphic lens, a Lumagen radiance so I can dial in calibration further, and replacing the carpet with something much darker. All out of my budget for now, but we'll see what the future holds. See the attached photos.
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I have a 138" Elite EZ Frame screen.

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