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post #1351 of 1924 Old 01-03-2015, 08:04 AM
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Hahaha! This is true.

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Do you have a link for that exact fabric? I have a Joann's local and looked online and found what might be the same material. Just wanted to confirm with you so I got the same material. Thanks.
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Me I won't do the work. But I am out to prove everyone wrong! Just waiting for the funds to start the project. For now (since I had the equipment from my old Ht in my old house) figured set it up. I'm not going a year (time to get out of debt and start the build) without movies hahah

I bought joanns black felt. It was reg 4.99/yd on sale for 2.99 but search online for 25% off sales items coupon

Super cheap great solution

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I know i know. Everyone tells
Me I won't do the work. But I am out to prove everyone wrong! Just waiting for the funds to start the project. For now (since I had the equipment from my old Ht in my old house) figured set it up. I'm not going a year (time to get out of debt and start the build) without movies hahah

I bought joanns black felt. It was reg 4.99/yd on sale for 2.99 but search online for 25% off sales items coupon

Super cheap great solution

http://www.joann.com/jo-ann-stores-c...k+felt&start=2

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If you really want deep blacks get velvet instead of felt. There is a big difference especially around the screen. I don't suggest felt for masking. You can also buy Velvet tape on Amazon. Felt is not deep back compared to Velvet it is more of a grey black shade. I used felt on the side walls and Velvet around the screen with Rosco paint for the ceiling.
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If you really want deep blacks get velvet instead of felt. There is a big difference especially around the screen. I don't suggest felt for masking. You can also buy Velvet tape on Amazon. Felt is not deep back compared to Velvet it is more of a grey black shade. I used felt on the side walls and Velvet around the screen with Rosco paint for the ceiling.
Agreed. My masking is made of velvet

But since this is only temporary I chose not to spend the high cost of velvet. I will be using velvet for the finished product around the screen

Just took this shot of the velvet masks next to the felt hanging on wall. This is with all lights off and just the iPhone flash

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I bought joanns black felt. It was reg 4.99/yd on sale for 2.99 but search online for 25% off sales items coupon
Felt will make it black so the light does not reflect back on to the screen, but you will still see the reflection off the felt.
To give you an idea of what velvet looks like compared to very black fabric.. take a look a the covers on the cabinet and picture frame in this photo. Those 2 are NOT velvet the rest is. They are very black but look gray in comparison. Even the Dalite Screen boarder which is VERY BLACK looks gray.. For $2.99 you did great and your contrast will be as good as with velvet, but may still be very shiny to your eyes when viewing.

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Felt will make it black so the light does not reflect back on to the screen, but you will still see the reflection off the felt.
To give you an idea of what velvet looks like compared to very black fabric.. take a look a the covers on the cabinet and picture frame in this photo. Those 2 are NOT velvet the rest is. They are very black but look gray in comparison.

Yup. Look at this pic. All areas absorb the light except where the hvac is close to the screen there is a reflection:
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Velvet makes the room disappear, it cost me around 200 dollars to do my entire room and it was well worth the small cost. If you can, go all the way with velvet.

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Velvet makes the room disappear, it cost me around 200 dollars to do my entire room and it was well worth the small cost. If you can, go all the way with velvet.
I will most definitely. But not until my finished product. This is ony for a temp setup. Actual construction is in a different part of the basement. So no need to spend good money for a temp setup. This is just as good for now
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I will most definitely. But not until my finished product. This is ony for a temp setup. Actual construction is in a different part of the basement. So no need to spend good money for a temp setup. This is just as good for now
Totally Understand. A good way to see the difference is to take pieces of felt and velvet and place them as boarders turn on the projector and you will immediately see the difference. I used felt on the walls because it was much easier to put up and velvet around the entire front of the room. If I was to do it again I would probably have gone for velvet in the entire room. That being said velvet is much more difficult to install I found.

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Totally Understand. A good way to see the difference is to take pieces of felt and velvet and place them as boarders turn on the projector and you will immediately see the difference. I used felt on the walls because it was much easier to put up and velvet around the entire front of the room. If I was to do it again I would probably have gone for velvet in the entire room. That being said velvet is much more difficult to install I found.
Look up a few posts. I posted pics of my room with my velvet masking panels vs my felt walls.
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Look up a few posts. I posted pics of my room with my velvet masking panels vs my felt walls.
Thanks, really shows the difference. You did get a great deal for a temp setup without spending a lot of money.
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Thanks, really shows the difference. You did get a great deal for a temp setup without spending a lot of money.
Thanks! It definitely makes the wait to get to my completed Ht that much easier. I am chomping at the bit to start. Just waiting for the accountant (my wife haha) to give me the go ahead to start
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I watched Gravity in 3D once I had my setup done, I have an JVC X500 and it was like I was looking into space, there was only the image on the screen,

Brian Fineberg that is a great temp room, excited to see the finish.

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I watched Gravity in 3D once I had my setup done, I have an JVC X500 and it was like I was looking into space, there was only the image on the screen,

Brian Fineberg that is a great temp room, excited to see the finish.
Thank you! So am I haha

I am going with a navy/grey color scheme. With black around the screen wall and ceiling about 2' out into the room.

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So this thread got me thinking. So I went downstairs and added some more felt to the ceiling lol. It was left over scraps but made it work. So now my black ceiling goes about 5' out from the screen




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Got this in the mail today, unfortunately I am stuck in bed with back lock so can't test it yet. I can say it seems odorless and is not greasy. I plan to make a video testing it on velvet.

I was able to move around today and applied this spray to a spot on the side wall. It went on easy, dried fast, left zero residue and no odor. When I can I will do a fire test to see if it actually works before doing the entire room. But so far so good.


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As detailed earlier in this thread, I went with a dark brown velvet treatment for my ceiling which looks beautiful and does a great job both of cutting ceiling light reflections and improving accoustics. But once I started adding black velvet curtains to make walls disappear, the ceiling velvet wasn't pulling its weight and I could still easily see the ceiling.

Once I added another black velvet treatment on the ceiling over the screen it finally disappeared for movies.

I just received and installed my "final" black velvet curtain, which pulls across an existing brown velvet curtain at the room entrance.
The brown velvet was extremely dark but not black, and the new black velvet curtain finally makes that side of the room disappear like the rest of the room.

The circle is complete, and now I enter another Galaxy for movie watching

ETA: Ugh, I wrote "velvet" for the ceiling when I meant I actually used "felt," which was the point of my post - that the dark brown felt ceiling couldn't match the light absorption of velvet, and definitely not black velvet.
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I was able to move around today and applied this spray to a spot on the side wall. It went on easy, dried fast, left zero residue and no odor. When I can I will do a fire test to see if it actually works before doing the entire room. But so far so good.


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Thanks for the update! Was that on velvet?
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Thanks for the update! Was that on velvet?

Yes it is on Syfabrics triple black velvet. I am itching to do a fire test but I still have back spasms going and it is -40c outside right now. Perfect excuse for a movie marathon.

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Yes it is on Syfabrics triple black velvet. I am itching to do a fire test but I still have back spasms going and it is -40c outside right now. Perfect excuse for a movie marathon.
Just do a reenactment of John Carpenters The Thing outside, beard is required
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Probably end up more like this:



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Hahaha, well technically we would have our answer, the fabric wouldn't burn :O
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The best way to describe -40 is, it really hurts a lot. Any task that is done outside with out gloves will fail.lol
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The best way to describe -40 is, it really hurts a lot. Any task that is done outside with out gloves will fail.lol

Temps that low are a good excuse to stay in your home theater and watch movies !! Like Snowpiercer !!
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I redid the placement of the panels in combination of velvet 4.5"wide tape which I used to make a sharp crisp line around the painted screen and then overlayed the panels around it so now the top, left, and bottom is completely blacked out, you dont see any wall, and 18" of the right is done, eventually I will back out the rest of the wall and then I think I will do 4ft of the left wall and ceiling in black velvet as well.

I also took the left over of that velvet tape and wrapped my center channel in it so it no longer reflects light, I think took black acoustically transparent fabric and wrapped my entire dual subwoofer in that so now they blend into the background.

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Try repainting with Rosco black paint. The reflection will be gone. It is the blackest paint available.
You mix it with water so a quart might be enough for the average ceiling. I had originally used the blackest paint I could find before I read about this
paint in this thread. It really makes a big difference.

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Maybe sometime down the line. Painting is one of my least favorite things in the world and its really not much reflection at all despite what the picture shows. My next focus is on acoustic treatments for the room.

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At $18 each, they are must-have for any serious HT.
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I noticed a little bit of sheen to the fabric. I would do a base coat of flat black spray paint in some areas or soak it in rosco paint.

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Is there a specific reason for using the triple velvet vs something else from Sy aside from being relatively cheap? I need to go with something medium to dark brown and there are some good options in the medium weight cotton velvet line. I have a few swatches on the way. This will be used for some panels on the ceiling above the screen. the ceiling is currently painted white and it lights up like a full moon This is my main living room though so I'm not going with anything black.
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Is there a specific reason for using the triple velvet vs something else from Sy aside from being relatively cheap? I need to go with something medium to dark brown and there are some good options in the medium weight cotton velvet line. I have a few swatches on the way. This will be used for some panels on the ceiling above the screen. the ceiling is currently painted white and it lights up like a full moon This is my main living room though so I'm not going with anything black.
Black is not so bad...




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I was able to move around today and applied this spray to a spot on the side wall. It went on easy, dried fast, left zero residue and no odor. When I can I will do a fire test to see if it actually works before doing the entire room. But so far so good.


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So I ran a test today. The untreated velvet lit fast and produced stinky black smoke. The treated materials would not burn. I was using wooden matches, but I held the flame to the material and at an edge. I will try in a few days with a lighter and see how long it would take for it to catch fire, as I am sure it will eventually. I am more concerned with delaying the spread and keeping the velvet from producing toxic smoke.

Since I scrapped my big garage HT build for a few more years I decided to put some work into my current Black hole. My plan is to take all my velvet down and attach it to 3ft X8ft panels. I will treat them with the Coldfire during this process. I can do all this work in my garage, which will make things easier.

My room disappears with the lights off during a movie, but with lights on it looks a bit messy. The panels will give it a more professional look. I will use a rail system to hang the ceiling , this will hide panel joints and screws as it will be covered in velvet.
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