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I've just started 'blacking out' my HT room.... finally. Most of the room will be dark except for a few spots. I'm not done yet but I can post some pics of the progress if you're interested.

There is a mix of materials. On the ceiling I am using a leftover roll of black burlap. This is the ceiling right in front of the screen. The side, rear and upper walls will have this black lined ECOSE rigid fiberglass that is acoustic treatment and also black. On the side and rear walls I've constructed a support system for all my acoustic treatment. Some of it is painted black but the rest of it was bare wood so what I did is I bought a 250' roll of Protostar black velvet tape. That stuff is awesome!! I've been applying that to all the bare wood as it's just the 1.5" side showing which is perfect size for the tape. Man that stuff is dark! It looks as dark as that triple plush black velvet I have but I'll have to compare. Last the area around the actual screen will be triple plush black velvet. I'll eventually put more in other spots if I think I need it but my room was 100% not black before. So this will be a HUGE upgrade. Next up will have to be the floor.

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I've just started 'blacking out' my HT room.... finally. Most of the room will be dark except for a few spots. I'm not done yet but I can post some pics of the progress if you're interested.

There is a mix of materials. On the ceiling I am using a leftover roll of black burlap. This is the ceiling right in front of the screen. The side, rear and upper walls will have this black lined ECOSE rigid fiberglass that is acoustic treatment and also black. On the side and rear walls I've constructed a support system for all my acoustic treatment. Some of it is painted black but the rest of it was bare wood so what I did is I bought a 250' roll of Protostar black velvet tape. That stuff is awesome!! I've been applying that to all the bare wood as it's just the 1.5" side showing which is perfect size for the tape. Man that stuff is dark! It looks as dark as that triple plush black velvet I have but I'll have to compare. Last the area around the actual screen will be triple plush black velvet. I'll eventually put more in other spots if I think I need it but my room was 100% not black before. So this will be a HUGE upgrade. Next up will have to be the floor.

I like Protostar too. Great stuff !
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No water was used. This kept it as dark/black and thick as possible. All it took was one time with the roller! This stuff is unlike any kind of paint you've seen before. You do use more of it this way, but I was painting over white walls too. 3 1/2 cans did my entire room which is only around 10' x 13'.

They do state the mixture on the can although I cannot remember it.
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I agree that the Rosco paint is amazing. I used a 1 to 1 mixture and it was fine on the ceiling. They do not recommend using it without mixing it. I did try it first. unmixed and did not notice any difference. My painter said it was the blackest paint he had ever used.
Glad to hear you guys had success with that paint. When I read thru that paint thread there were a few (or more?) folks saying that they had a hard time working with it and or they were not happy with the results. Others seemed to really like it. @zombie10k you may want to read through that thread to look for ideas on how to have the best results with it.
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I found Rosco very easy to work with (unmixed anyway). I will only say, it is a very sensitive paint once dry in that it will very easily leave marks if it's touched and it can be tricky to remove those marks. It might not be a good option if you have kids around or anyone or anything that will be touching the walls. I cannot imagine any other kind of paint being more "flat" though.

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I painted my ceiling with Rusco using a 1:1 mix using a roller. It was very easy to apply. The photo shows the result (it looks grey in the photo, but that's because I have flood lights shining up at the ceiling and crappy mobile phone photo). You just need to stir the paint in the tray on a regular basis so that water and pain stay mixed.

I agree it marks very easily, so personally I'd only use it on the ceilings (on the walls I used carpet). What I did find though is that it is very easy to touch up, just used a brush for the touch ups done and you can't tell.
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I used this Rosco Product after speaking with their Marketing Mgr, it worked well.


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Here is a pic before the carpet was put in, it shows the contrast.

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I found Rosco very easy to work with (unmixed anyway). I will only say, it is a very sensitive paint once dry in that it will very easily leave marks if it's touched and it can be tricky to remove those marks. It might not be a good option if you have kids around or anyone or anything that will be touching the walls. I cannot imagine any other kind of paint being more "flat" though.
I found that using a microfiber cloth will remove the smudges and marks if used very lightly. Give it a try!
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I like Protostar too. Great stuff !

I like Protostar, but velvet is clearly blacker/better when you compare the two like me/Rich showed earlier in this thread and others have found as well. I also was not impressed with the adhesive quality of Protostar as it eventually peels off the metal frames I applied it to on my bass traps/first reflection panels. I have super glued some of these strips which solved the problem, but that shouldn't be necessary.

Bottom line is I ONLY use Protostar in places where velvet cant be used.

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I like Protostar, but velvet is clearly blacker/better when you compare the two like me/Rich showed earlier in this thread and others have found as well. I also was not impressed with the adhesive quality of Protostar as it eventually peels off the metal frames I applied it to on my bass traps/first reflection panels. I have super glued some of these strips which solved the problem, but that shouldn't be necessary.

Bottom line is I ONLY use Protostar in places where velvet cant be used.
I use prostar for the tops on my L/C/R speakers which sit near the screen. Since I don't want to glue the prostar to the tops of the speakers, I use painters tape on all four sides and double sided tape attached between the prostar and the painters tape. The painters tape doesn't leave adhesive on the speaker, but gives the prostar a surface to attach to.

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I've just started 'blacking out' my HT room.... finally. Most of the room will be dark except for a few spots. I'm not done yet but I can post some pics of the progress if you're interested.

There is a mix of materials. On the ceiling I am using a leftover roll of black burlap. This is the ceiling right in front of the screen. The side, rear and upper walls will have this black lined ECOSE rigid fiberglass that is acoustic treatment and also black. On the side and rear walls I've constructed a support system for all my acoustic treatment. Some of it is painted black but the rest of it was bare wood so what I did is I bought a 250' roll of Protostar black velvet tape. That stuff is awesome!! I've been applying that to all the bare wood as it's just the 1.5" side showing which is perfect size for the tape. Man that stuff is dark! It looks as dark as that triple plush black velvet I have but I'll have to compare. Last the area around the actual screen will be triple plush black velvet. I'll eventually put more in other spots if I think I need it but my room was 100% not black before. So this will be a HUGE upgrade. Next up will have to be the floor.
You should really start to notice the difference, but it is a slippery slope. Once you start, you look for more ways to improve it, but you are aware of that already, because the same thing happens with speakers and subs. That is how your audio system got to where it is today.
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Where's a good place to pick up the Rosco paint? I'll primarily be using velvet but for some out of the way areas like behind the AT screen I'll likely use paint.
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Where's a good place to pick up the Rosco paint? I'll primarily be using velvet but for some out of the way areas like behind the AT screen I'll likely use paint.
Call around as the prices vary greatly for it. Check Rosco's website for suppliers.

It has to be ordered from a supplier and it ships directly from Rosco itself as the paint is made fresh.

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I just bought mine from Rose Brand's website, very easy to order and they shipped from NJ to PA in a day.

http://www.rosebrand.com/product815/...int.aspx?tid=2




I've been waiting a year to finish this part of my HT, looking forward to finally getting it done soon.
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You should really start to notice the difference, but it is a slippery slope. Once you start, you look for more ways to improve it, but you are aware of that already, because the same thing happens with speakers and subs. That is how your audio system got to where it is today.

Haha! I know, right?

I can tell it's already setting in. The blackening, I mean. A lot of the room is now black but there are areas that are not and I'm already looking at them like, "I can cover that part too. Yeah, I'll get that covered soon."

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I like Protostar, but velvet is clearly blacker/better when you compare the two like me/Rich showed earlier in this thread and others have found as well. I also was not impressed with the adhesive quality of Protostar as it eventually peels off the metal frames I applied it to on my bass traps/first reflection panels. I have super glued some of these strips which solved the problem, but that shouldn't be necessary.

Bottom line is I ONLY use Protostar in places where velvet cant be used.
One thing that was great about the Protostar for me was that it seemed to be the same material that was used by Carada to cover their screen frames. Since I used a big Carada MasqueradeI used Protostar to cover those areas of the screen wall that were visible around the frame. It's so cohesive looking you don't even notice the Carada screen frame, and it just looks like a white screen built right into the wall, which changes shape on command per movie :-)
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This company did a good job packing the paint. I was wondering how they were going to ship it.



some of you guys have me tempted to try it without the dilution. I may try a small area first.
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I just bought mine from Rose Brand's website, very easy to order and they shipped from NJ to PA in a day.

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I've been waiting a year to finish this part of my HT, looking forward to finally getting it done soon.
Great - looking forward to hearing how you like working with the paint and how you like the results.

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some of you guys have me tempted to try it without the dilution. I may try a small area first.
For me, it went on more black that way.

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I haven't opened the can yet but it feels very heavy / thick when trying to move the paint around inside. What kind of roller did you use? I have enough with the 3 gallon to cover this ceiling area without diluting it. thanks for the info!
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