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This stuff is probably pretty good. And durable! The price and safety, however...

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Nearly $1,500 for 4 gallons. Crazy. Get the Rosco paint it is great.
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The thing about Rosco...it's true it looks more like a very dark grey or light black when it's dry on the wall, but it's very, very flat and just sucks up light and reflection which is the biggest key. The price is very good IMO for this kind of paint too....and it's safe.

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The thing about Rosco...it's true it looks more like a very dark grey or light black when it's dry on the wall, but it's very, very flat and just sucks up light and reflection which is the biggest key. The price is very good IMO for this kind of paint too....and it's safe.
I'm going to start with Rosco, then try other things if I need to.

My situation is this: I need something for the underside of my soffit directly above the screen. The screen will be only 5" below the soffit. It's a Stewart 130 G3, and a DPI M-320 HB projector. So, it's a fairly light sensitive screen, with a very bright projector (4,000 lumens). I really need something to soak up the light.
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I'm going to start with Rosco, then try other things if I need to.

My situation is this: I need something for the underside of my soffit directly above the screen. The screen will be only 5" below the soffit. It's a Stewart 130 G3, and a DPI M-320 HB projector. So, it's a fairly light sensitive screen, with a very bright projector (4,000 lumens). I really need something to soak up the light.
I see. Hmmm, you might be better off with just using Protostar or velvet if the screen is going to be that close.

I have Protostar on my side walls as the edge of my screen is very close to my side walls. It does a very good job although there are darker options, but the Protostar is just so nice and easy to put on. I posted a pic earlier in the thread although I can repost it if you like.

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Nearly $1,500 for 4 gallons. Crazy. Get the Rosco paint it is great.
I agree with rwestly. Don't waste your money on the $1500 stuff.
I have not seen anything blacker than Roscoe Super Sat black.. Once you try it, you will realize that it is as black as you can get.
I have it, similar to your application, under the soffit. The light hits the soffit at about 1/2" (very close). Therefore, the underside of the soffit is still lit up but less than the usual sherwin williams type paint.
A better option would be the royalty 3 velvet. It works very well. It is better than Roscoe. I could not use it because I didn't have enough to put a frame for the fabric, under the soffit.
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I see. Hmmm, you might be better off with just using Protostar or velvet if the screen is going to be that close.

I have Protostar on my side walls as the edge of my screen is very close to my side walls. It does a very good job although there are darker options, but the Protostar is just so nice and easy to put on. I posted a pic earlier in the thread although I can repost it if you like.
Thanks. Reposting the picture would be super nice. How well does the protostar stick? Do you think it would look bad to protostar under the soffit by the screen, then Rosco under the rest of the soffit around the room? Protostar under the entire soffit?

How does the protostar looks, aesthetically, compared to Rosco?
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I agree with rwestly. Don't waste your money on the $1500 stuff.
I have not seen anything blacker than Roscoe Super Sat black.. Once you try it, you will realize that it is as black as you can get.
I have it, similar to your application, under the soffit. The light hits the soffit at about 1/2" (very close). Therefore, the underside of the soffit is still lit up but less than the usual sherwin williams type paint.
A better option would be the royalty 3 velvet. It works very well. It is better than Roscoe. I could not use it because I didn't have enough to put a frame for the fabric, under the soffit.
http://www.joann.com/royalty-3-velve...velvet&start=2
Haha, no I'm not getting the $1500 stuff. I would consider using velvet, but I need a very professional looking end result, and I'm not sure I could pull that off with velvet because I'm not sure how to apply it.
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Thanks. Reposting the picture would be super nice. How well does the protostar stick? Do you think it would look bad to protostar under the soffit by the screen, then Rosco under the rest of the soffit around the room? Protostar under the entire soffit?
The Protostar sticks well to the Rosco paint. Initially, I had just painted the room but decided to add Protostar after especially after getting the Stewart ST100 which is said to be sensitive to reflections. Since my side walls are so close, I figured why not.

The Protostar aesthetically looks nice on the Rosco. It almost looks like a design or wallpaper of sorts blending well. You can see it on the left side wall of the screen. Originally, I had Protstar above the screen and on the ceiling, but took it down as I didn't like the way it looked and wasn't going to offer any more advantage. The side wall was key for me.
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The Protostar sticks well to the Rosco paint. Initially, I had just painted the room but decided to add Protostar after especially after getting the Stewart ST100 which is said to be sensitive to reflections. Since my side walls are so close, I figured why not.

The Protostar aesthetically looks nice on the Rosco. It almost looks like a design or wallpaper of sorts blending well. You can see it on the left side wall of the screen. Originally, I had Protstar above the screen and on the ceiling, but took it down as I didn't like the way it looked and wasn't going to offer any more advantage. The side wall was key for me.
Thanks. What didn't you like about the way it looked above the screen and on the ceiling? Is the protostar noticeably better at preventing reflections back to the screen than Rosco?
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Thanks. What didn't you like about the way it looked above the screen and on the ceiling? Is the protostar noticeably better at preventing reflections back to the screen than Rosco?
When I had to the Protostar fully around the screen it just looked weird. Like the screen was in a cave and the rest of the room was not. I might have gotten used to it, but decided to just stick to the side walls. Yes, Protostar is definitely better for brighter reflections. For the rest of the room not close to the screen, the Rosco works great.

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What's the difference between Rosco supersaturated and this TV paint? https://www.rosco.com/FTVP/TVPaints.cfm

It actually gives a reflectance value of 3%. Does anyone know the supersatutated reflectance percentage?

Edit: the velour is listed as 2.69% reflectance.

For comparison, the Berger Antireflexfarbe is 2%, and protostar is between .4% and .7%, depending on the angle. That's a big difference!

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Not sure. I went with the Supersaturated Velour.

By the way, it's nice to be back to the forum.

I had kidney surgery on Tuesday (partial nephrectomy to remove a tumor that is likely cancerous) that went very well. Recovering from plenty of fatigue and soreness. Looking forward to recouping watching projected movies and taking part again in discussions.

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Not sure. I went with the Supersaturated Velour.

By the way, it's nice to be back to the forum.

I had kidney surgery on Tuesday (partial nephrectomy to remove a tumor that is likely cancerous) that went very well. Recovering from plenty of fatigue and soreness. Looking forward to recouping watching projected movies and taking part again in discussions.
Wish you a speedy recovery! Glad to hear e erything went well
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By the way, it's nice to be back to the forum.

I had kidney surgery on Tuesday (partial nephrectomy to remove a tumor that is likely cancerous) that went very well. Recovering from plenty of fatigue and soreness. Looking forward to recouping watching projected movies and taking part again in discussions.
Good news, all the best with your recovery!
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Not sure. I went with the Supersaturated Velour.

By the way, it's nice to be back to the forum.

I had kidney surgery on Tuesday (partial nephrectomy to remove a tumor that is likely cancerous) that went very well. Recovering from plenty of fatigue and soreness. Looking forward to recouping watching projected movies and taking part again in discussions.
Hope you feel better soon!
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Not sure. I went with the Supersaturated Velour.

By the way, it's nice to be back to the forum.

I had kidney surgery on Tuesday (partial nephrectomy to remove a tumor that is likely cancerous) that went very well. Recovering from plenty of fatigue and soreness. Looking forward to recouping watching projected movies and taking part again in discussions.
Thoughts and prayers are with you for a speedy recovery, followed by a clean bill of health.

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By the way, it's nice to be back to the forum.

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The like was for the surgery that went well. Hope that you continue to heal well.
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The like was for the surgery that went well. Hope that you continue to heal well.
Thanks. The (5) abdominal incisions they go through to get to the kidney are healing as the surgery was done robotically by the surgeon, but still pretty sore. But there is less and pain and complications with this method. Systematically I am more tired than I expected. I'm only 43, in good shape, workout, eat well, never smoked, etc.

The pathology came back that the mass was indeed cancerous as suspected, but it was a "clear cut" by the surgeon and verified to be fully removed, no spreading, etc. Just need yearly scans for the next five yrs as precautionary. Odds are very slim for recurrence.

All of this was found purely incidentally as is most kidney cancer.

I had no kidney symptoms at all, blood work normal, etc. I went to a GI Dr. for acid reflux issues I've been having on and off for the last couple of years (had nothing to do with kidney). He did an upper endoscopy which was normal, and ordered an abdominal ultrasound which indicated the kidney mass. Close to 90% of all kidney masses are cancerous. I was just very fortunate it was found early enough.

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Thanks. The (5) abdominal incisions they go through to get tot eh kidney are healing as the surgery was done robotically by the surgeon, but still pretty sore. But there is less and pain and complications with this method. Systematically I am more tired than I expected. I'm only 43, in good shape, workout, eat well, never smoked, etc.

The pathology came back that the mass was indeed cancerous as suspected, but it was a "clear cut" by the surgeon and verified to be fully removed, no spreading, etc. Just need yearly scans for the next five yrs as precautionary. Odds are very slim for recurrence.

All of this was found purely incidentally as is most kidney cancer.

I had no kidney symptoms at all, blood work normal, etc. I went to a GI Dr. for acid reflux issues I've been having on and off for the last couple of years (had nothing to do with kidney). He did an upper endoscopy which was normal, and ordered an abdominal ultrasound which indicated the kidney mass. Close to 90% of all kidney masses are cancerous. I was just very fortunate it was found early enough.
You are indeed a very, very lucky man. Be happy they got good margins on the tumor, as that is crucial. Heal quickly!

Time for me to schedule my physical.
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You are indeed a very, very lucky man. Be happy they got good margins on the tumor, as that is crucial. Heal quickly!

Time for me to schedule my physical.
I recall right after the surgery my surgeon said, "Whatever it is, it's definitely gone."

I was very happy to keep the kidney too. I really wanted to save it. It's at about 80% functionality compared to before the surgery, but he said in 6 mos. looking at my blood work no one would even be able to tell I had the surgery or lost any of it.

The first surgeon/opinion I went to wanted to remove the entire kidney as he said a partial was too risky for a urine leak, complication, etc. Now it was a deep tumor and was growing into the renal sinus so that is tricky as the kidney has to be re-constructed in essence. The second guy I went with is a top surgeon and has actually done more robotic partial nephs than any other surgeon in the world, he's been involved in a lot of robotic research, been on CNN, etc.. He said only the robotics made this possible as its so much more precise. Getting a second opinion on these things really does matter as well as finding an excellent surgeon.


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SO SO glad they were able to remove all the cancer. It's such a brutal disease.


I lost my father to cancer when he was 54. I think we would all love to see a cure in our lifetime.
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Heal fast David. Here's wishing you a speedy recovery !
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SO SO glad they were able to remove all the cancer. It's such a brutal disease.


I lost my father to cancer when he was 54. I think we would all love to see a cure in our lifetime.
My father has been fighting cancer (Multiple Myeloma/Bone Marrow) since 2006.

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Thanks. Still feeling awfully fatigued.

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Havn't posted in a while but here is a quick look at the nearly back up and running theater.
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