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post #2071 of 2807 Old 11-29-2015, 11:39 AM
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I hope this is OK to ask in this thread... as I start to consider black out room treatments for the next renovation of my room, I have one big issue: My speakers (B&W Nautilus 802) have a gloss black head! This has always been a distraction, reflecting light from my plasma. The obvious response will be "get new speakers", but I really like these speakers, and replacing them would mean replacing the center/surrounds as well (for acoustic matching), and I'd have to invest $20K+ to get the quality/performance that I have now with the B&Ws. The second response might be to cover the speaker heads, but that will likely destroy the acoustic properties, as they were designed. Any other ideas?

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I hope this is OK to ask in this thread... as I start to consider black out room treatments for the next renovation of my room, I have one big issue: My speakers (B&W Nautilus 802) have a gloss black head! This has always been a distraction, reflecting light from my plasma. The obvious response will be "get new speakers", but I really like these speakers, and replacing them would mean replacing the center/surrounds as well (for acoustic matching), and I'd have to invest $20K+ to get the quality/performance that I have now with the B&Ws. The second response might be to cover the speaker heads, but that will likely destroy the acoustic properties, as they were designed. Any other ideas?

I would recruit a friend to help me blind test putting a sock over one speaker and leaving the other one with just the grill over the woofers and see how egregious the sound difference may be. If it isn't absolutely horrible I would put a sock over them when watching movies (the big issue of reflections distracting from the image will be taken care of). You could easily pull the socks off when you want to seriously listen to music.
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I hope this is OK to ask in this thread... as I start to consider black out room treatments for the next renovation of my room, I have one big issue: My speakers (B&W Nautilus 802) have a gloss black head! This has always been a distraction, reflecting light from my plasma. The obvious response will be "get new speakers", but I really like these speakers, and replacing them would mean replacing the center/surrounds as well (for acoustic matching), and I'd have to invest $20K+ to get the quality/performance that I have now with the B&Ws. The second response might be to cover the speaker heads, but that will likely destroy the acoustic properties, as they were designed. Any other ideas?

I think you should be able to simply make a black velvet cover for the head portion. (Of course, not covering the drivers). It doesn't even need to be permanent, just something to plop on when you don't want to see the shine of the heads when watching movies.

I have high end speakers and the black velvet covers don't seem to have any effect on the acoustics.

If you are really picky, you could choose Devore viscose black velvet, which is both extremely dark and light absorbing, but also very thin and almost acoustically transparent, so it would have the least effect. (Or, if you don't need something as dark as velvet, you could make hoods out of black speaker cloth. Again, no need to cover the drivers if it's the shine of the head unit that is the problem).

This is the Devore velvet:

http://www.whaleys-bradford.ltd.uk/s...t-black-devore
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I would recruit a friend to help me blind test putting a sock over one speaker and leaving the other one with just the grill over the woofers and see how egregious the sound difference may be. If it isn't absolutely horrible I would put a sock over them when watching movies (the big issue of reflections distracting from the image will be taken care of). You could easily pull the socks off when you want to seriously listen to music.
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I think you should be able to simply make a black velvet cover for the head portion. (Of course, not covering the drivers). It doesn't even need to be permanent, just something to plop on when you don't want to see the shine of the heads when watching movies.

I have high end speakers and the black velvet covers don't seem to have any effect on the acoustics.

If you are really picky, you could choose Devore viscose black velvet, which is both extremely dark and light absorbing, but also very thin and almost acoustically transparent, so it would have the least effect. (Or, if you don't need something as dark as velvet, you could make hoods out of black speaker cloth. Again, no need to cover the drivers if it's the shine of the head unit that is the problem).

This is the Devore velvet:

http://www.whaleys-bradford.ltd.uk/s...t-black-devore
Great tips! That thinner material is something I had not seen or thought of. I forgot to mention, I actually do use a black velvet that I custom-cut to fit on top of my B&W HTM1 center channel, as that was the source of the worst reflections, even though the center is not gloss.

And I like the idea of pulling off the 'sock' when I'm listening to music.
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Could I use 3M Super 77/78 adhesive on the casing to a motorized screen housing? It is white and I want to cover it in velvet. Just want to make sure I don't do any damage to the internals of it.

Also how do you remove the adhesive, or do you?
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I use double sided tape to attach velvet to anything that might need to be removed without leaving any residue.


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Could I use 3M Super 77/78 adhesive on the casing to a motorized screen housing? It is white and I want to cover it in velvet. Just want to make sure I don't do any damage to the internals of it.

Also how do you remove the adhesive, or do you?

I did my case. You have to be very careful to keep the spray out of the case.

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[QUOTE=airscapes;39610090]I did my case. You have to be very careful to keep the spray out of the case.

Why not spray the material instead of the casing, if your worried about over spray?

Looks good by the way.

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I did my case. You have to be very careful to keep the spray out of the case.

Why not spray the material instead of the casing, if your worried about over spray?

Looks good by the way.
It is contact cement, you need it on both surfaces and let it dry slightly before you apply it. Been a while since I did it and just remember it being very tedious working with an 8'+ length of fabric.. you also can not get any adhesive on the velvet surface as it melts the pile.
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Has anyone used, seen, or heard of

1" Thick (20) Black Acoustic Ceiling Tiles - 24" x 24" Fiberglass Sound Board - 80 sq ft - Select Acoustical NRC .75 2 Ft x 2 Ft at

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I am thinking about doing a 8 x 10 ft area in front of my screen.
I looked for a while and found a tile that looks great.






B&H has these

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...e_24_x_24.html

here is a photo showing my room partially completed.



I ended up covering the ceiling grid with the protostar material found here:

http://www.fpi-protostar.com/hitack.htm

great blackout project and it makes a huge difference in my room consider my screen is quite large and just inches from the ceiling.





painted lights with BBQ paint mounted in the black ceiling tile.

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I ended up covering the ceiling grid with the protostar material found here:
Thank god you cover up the shiny grid.

Other than Protostar, is there any other alternative to "blacken" the grid?

What's up with big cinemas that don't bother about the grid?


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I looked for a while and found a tile that looks great.






B&H has these

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...e_24_x_24.html
Maybe I asked this before, but did those make for an acoustic improvement in your room? Ie are they better than normal ceiling tiles painted black?
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I do think they helped vs. the traditional tiles I had in there before. They are dense fiberglass and have a nice looking black finish. Not cheap, but very happy with this product.

@Skylinestar - I was distracted by this at our last IMAX session (Real Imax, not the 'Faumax') - I could see the grid the entire movie.

Even the best black paint from Rosco was still visible so I ended up cutting over 200 sections of protostar to apply to the grid (~60 tiles). It looks remarkable and completely disappears during a movie.
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Zombie, how far out from the front of your screen do you have blacked out?
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It's about 14 feet of black ceiling tile /grid then transitions to a drywall area that is just above my seating at 17 feet. I'm trying to decide if I want to paint this with the Rosco paint or find a way to attach the velvet to the ceiling.

the protostar material on the grid worked out perfect. it was worth the hard work installing it.

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It's about 14 feet of black ceiling tile /grid then transitions to a drywall area that is just above my seating at 17 feet. I'm trying to decide if I want to paint this with the Rosco paint or find a way to attach the velvet to the ceiling.

the protostar material on the grid worked out perfect. it was worth the hard work installing it.

Nice man, definite black hole.
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Acoustic tile and optic fiber lights just done my room
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hi all,

i am doing a fiber optic ceiling project with drop ceiling tiles. i got syfabrics triple velvet for the tiles.

for the support grid, should i go with gaffers tape or protostar? or will that be too noticeable, and i should go through the hassle of gluing triple velvet to the grid as well.
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hi all,

i am doing a fiber optic ceiling project with drop ceiling tiles. i got syfabrics triple velvet for the tiles.

for the support grid, should i go with gaffers tape or protostar? or will that be too noticeable, and i should go through the hassle of gluing triple velvet to the grid as well.
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Protostar is going to look better than gaffers tape. My grid came out excellent, just be patient when installing it and it will come out perfect.
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I just covered the entry door coming into the back of my theater and the flat equipment door at the back of the theater with triple black velvet. I used 3m Super 77 multi-purpose spray adhesive and it seemed to work great. The flat equipment door was way easier to cover without wrinkles. It was difficult to get the entry door perfectly smooth since it had six raised panels on the face of it. But hey, its black velvet in the back of a dark theater, I think its going to be just fine.
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hi all,

i am doing a fiber optic ceiling project with drop ceiling tiles. i got syfabrics triple velvet for the tiles.

for the support grid, should i go with gaffers tape or protostar? or will that be too noticeable, and i should go through the hassle of gluing triple velvet to the grid as well.
The support grid is hidden so what do you mean about covering it. The tiles have a u shape cutout on the edge which help support it on the aluminum channel
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WOW. thats beautiful. Congrats on a sick looking room
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I tried to put velvet on my ceiling tiles in front of my screen, about 4 feet out, but the push pins couldn't hold the fabric up.

Can anyone recommend a double sided tape (or something like it), that I can just apply to my ceiling grid to hold up the velvet? I could then use push pins to touch up spots here and there.
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