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Why haven‘t these guys used like 450 watt uhp lamps or something high powered like that?

I'd have to throw out a guess if they came out with a 450 watt uhp lamp version it'd be one of their hottest sellers.

Better yet, possibly even have a dual 450 watt uhp lamp projector or quad. They'd be out of my price range I'm sure they'd be $25,000+ but it'd give people people more flexibility
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Most people dont need any where near those lumens, and the LCOS panels would be little toasts in about 10 seconds of startup smile.gif
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A 2160p JVC with double the lumens of current models, while retaining contrast ratios and current pricing, would be very welcome in my house...

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Most people dont need any where near those lumens, and the LCOS panels would be little toasts in about 10 seconds of startup smile.gif

A lot of people do need those lumens. There are a lot of people who want 150" screens that can actually display 3D bright or even 120" bright in reference to a 450 watt uhp bulb version as dual or quad bulbs would be reserved for a small portion of the population. You can find dual and quad dlp 1080p projectors from digital projection and christie.

Why would they toast? Heck sony has a 4k sxrd commercial projector with 6 450 lamps and sxrd isn't that much different than lcos.

If a jvc projector with a 450 watt bulb popped up with like 1,500 lumens calibrated for like $12,500, don't you think we'd see a rise in 150"+ screens? It seems like people sometimes hold back because of lumens.
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I disagree with their being a large market for consumer based LCOS at that brightness. First off, 3D LCOS is not the cleanest 3D anyhow, so few would spend that kind of money just for a 3D LCOS projector in their home. If they were so serious about 3D, they'd most likely be using a DLP projector.

Secondly, the $8000+ consumer projector market is already a tiny niche market, so the MFR's making a PJ like this aren't going to be a huge seller, and they know it. It's going to be just another $8000+ projector that has "some sales", but even more niche than their existing offerings.

The high wattage bulbs and the light path will counter-act a lot of the reason we buy these LCOS projectors, for black levels. The contrast will suffer. In theaters they don't worry about it as much for the obvious reasons (they have no choice since they need to display it on a 300"+ screen). Makes no sense really, but their might be room for ONE projector model like this, but it certainly isn't a large market.


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JVC already makes a high wattage commercial 2K projector using its own chips. Its rather big, noisy, and ugly and priced over $100K. JVC has used one for years at Cedia for its large screen presentation. I have a friend who owned one for a while.


There are zillions of transmissive lcd chip business class projectors which meet high lumens requirements. All you guys are asking for is for someone to use JVC reflective chips instead. Black level performance would be better than with transmissive chips BUT would not be high enough to satisfy those who buy JVC because of their native on/off contrast advantage.

The big and noisy part would eliminate much of the potential market not to say the cost when many Americns are happy watching movies on their computer screen.


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The early LCOS JVC's in fact used a 400W xenon lamp and I believe were very long-lived.

Perhaps the issue is nothing more than the required cooling and fan noise that goes with it.

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I would settle for a 300 watt lamp as the current models just use a 230 watt lamp.

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I would settle for a 300 watt lamp as the current models just use a 230 watt lamp.

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Without looking it up, I seem to remember the 1000ES uses a 330 watt lamp.

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The early LCOS JVC's in fact used a 400W xenon lamp and I believe were very long-lived.

Perhaps the issue is nothing more than the required cooling and fan noise that goes with it.

Hi Noah. Long time. Hope all is well.

Part of the problem with using a Xenon lamp is that such lamps are considerably more expensive than the equivalent UHP lamp. This would raise the initial purchase cost of the projector as well as make replacement lamps much more expensive. Selling projectors in the $3K to $4K range is very price point sensitive.

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Without looking it up, I seem to remember the 1000ES uses a 330 watt lamp.

That's good to know. Hopefully Sony will continue with higher wattage lamps and JVC will follow suit. I bet it does come at a price though.

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If DP would only put a top notch dynamic iris in their dual lamp dVision projectors - http://www.digitalprojection.com/BrowseProjectors/dVisionSeries/tabid/263/Default.aspx

That would be a killer projector. My dVision was extremely sharp. I never saw RBE either !! smile.gif

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As someone else pointed out, these companies know that this part of the projector market is very small. If they thought there would be a lot of interest in a projector with this kind of lumen output they'd invest in R&D and make it available to consumers. But in the already niche projector market as a whole they simple won't take a risk like this.
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If DP would only put a top notch dynamic iris in their dual lamp dVision projectors - http://www.digitalprojection.com/BrowseProjectors/dVisionSeries/tabid/263/Default.aspx

That would be a killer projector. My dVision was extremely sharp. I never saw RBE either !! smile.gif

It would be more correct to say that if the foreign projector factory that owns DP were to put this on a model they sell through DP.

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Hi Noah. Long time. Hope all is well.

Part of the problem with using a Xenon lamp is that such lamps are considerably more expensive than the equivalent UHP lamp.

Hi Mark,

The fact that it was xenon isn't relevant to my point, which was that higher power lamps have been used in LCOS pj's.

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At least a 350 watt lamp something that matches the lumens of a sim2 3d solo's 3000 lumens there should be at least one model out on the market excluding JVC's $150000 projector.
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