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Hi.

Does Sony make a next generation Ruby that is better than 1080P resolution?

Please let me know

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Does Sony make a next generation Ruby that is better than 1080P resolution?

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The Ruby is already several generations old as far as Sony 1080p projectors go. Right now the only home cinema projector Sony offers with higher than 1080p resolution is the VPL-VW1000ES which is a 4K Ultra-HD (2160P) model with a MSRP of $25,000 and a street price of perhaps a little under $20,000. There should be additional or replacement 4K model(s) from Sony announced by Sony at the CEDIA Expo in September with availability in late 2013 or early 2014. Many people expect to see a lower cost model priced perhaps in the $12K price range.

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I contacted Mike (AV Science Sales 5) a week or so ago about a B-Stock unit. They have a great price on them and they come with the full warranty. I'm trying to sell off most of my gear to buy one. I was thinking about waiting until CEDIA to see if they plan on releasing some sort of Sony 1000ES "lite" version that offers most of the picture quality that the 1000ES has. I'm hoping for it to have an MSRP of $12000-$15000. We'll see...

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There were rumors about a successor to the VPL-VW95 being announced this semester, but it did not happen and likely any new projector will be announced at the CEDIA Expo on September 25-28.
But I hope this improved VPL-VW95 will be cheaper than $12K, otherwise I will buy one more lamp for my faithful Ruby...
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I contacted Mike (AV Science Sales 5) a week or so ago about a B-Stock unit. They have a great price on them and they come with the full warranty. I'm trying to sell off most of my gear to buy one. I was thinking about waiting until CEDIA to see if they plan on releasing some sort of Sony 1000ES "lite" version that offers most of the picture quality that the 1000ES has. I'm hoping for it to have an MSRP of $12000-$15000. We'll see...

I think that is a good bet, but I doubt that it has the same quality lens that the VW1000ES has. Also from everything we have been told, Sony will offer a board upgrade for the 1000ES. I doubt that happens with any lower model.

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I think that is a good bet, but I doubt that it has the same quality lens that the VW1000ES has. Also from everything we have been told, Sony will offer a board upgrade for the 1000ES. I doubt that happens with any lower model.

 

Are you suggesting/surmising a new 4K pj between the 50 and 1000 models?   And when you refer to a new board for the 1000ES, what will that add?

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Are you suggesting/surmising a new 4K pj between the 50 and 1000 models?   And when you refer to a new board for the 1000ES, what will that add?

Yes, I think Sony will have a model between the 50 and the 1000. Good possibility that it is 4K, but that does not mean that you are going to get a projector like the 1000 for a lot less money. The lens in the 1000 is a very good lens and a lens like that costs a lot of money. To get the price down, something has to give.

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Are you suggesting/surmising a new 4K pj between the 50 and 1000 models?   And when you refer to a new board for the 1000ES, what will that add?

The board won't be available until the UHD/2160p and new HDMI standards are created. The board Mike is referring to will update the 1000ES to be compatible with those new standards and maybe add some new functionality to the 1000ES. There are several features you cannot enable when you're sending either UHD or 4K signals. The speculated cause of this is the lack of processing power. I'd hope the new board will address those issues as well. It would make the 1000ES even more special than it already is and also more enticing to buy. tongue.gif

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Did Sony put this writing? The promise of an updated input board for a 2011 model in ~2014 seems a little optimistic even for the flagship product which could end up being replaced by the time the new standards are set.

My guess is the mini 1000 would at least have the lamp pulse technology intro'd with the 30/95 and maybe the following year a 1000 V2.0 with latest HDMI standard + laser module.
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I don't know if it's "in writing" but they did promise it in some form or another. They've been in a bad economic predicament as of late. It would be bad for them to disappoint and lie to their user base, even if it's the small consumer projector market.

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Yes, I think Sony will have a model between the 50 and the 1000. Good possibility that it is 4K, but that does not mean that you are going to get a projector like the 1000 for a lot less money. The lens in the 1000 is a very good lens and a lens like that costs a lot of money. To get the price down, something has to give.

 

This kind of begs the question that when we get 4K source material with the higher resolution that such a lens will be necessary to resolve that many pixels and the cost of such a lens won't come down in price until there are enough 4K pjs needing such lens for the costs to diminish due to volume production. That could be quite a long time, so hopefully the expensive lens that Sony used was overkill and a cheaper lens can still give that razor sharp image and detail.

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This kind of begs the question that when we get 4K source material with the higher resolution that such a lens will be necessary to resolve that many pixels and the cost of such a lens won't come down in price until there are enough 4K pjs needing such lens for the costs to diminish due to volume production. That could be quite a long time, so hopefully the expensive lens that Sony used was overkill and a cheaper lens can still give that razor sharp image and detail.

Probably not, considering that most 1080p projectors don't have the kind of lens the best of the best 1080p units had when 1080p first came into popularity back in 2006 and 2007. I think it has a lot to do with how small the projector market is. If they sold as well as HDTVs we'd see production costs lower considerably as they sell millions upon millions of HDTVs per year. It isn't anywhere near that with home theater projectors and thus nice glass lenses still cost an arm and a leg which is why we aren't seeing great lenses on sub ~$6000 projectors.

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I contacted Mike (AV Science Sales 5) a week or so ago about a B-Stock unit. They have a great price on them and they come with the full warranty. I'm trying to sell off most of my gear to buy one. I was thinking about waiting until CEDIA to see if they plan on releasing some sort of Sony 1000ES "lite" version that offers most of the picture quality that the 1000ES has. I'm hoping for it to have an MSRP of $12000-$15000. We'll see...

I am just curious, but for someone that is a DLP advocate, what made you consider selling your DLP projectors and spring for the 1000ES?
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Th of begs the question that when we get 4 source material with the higher resolution that such a lens will be necessary to resolve that many pixels and the cost of such a lens won't come down in price until there are enough 4K pjs needing such lens for the costs to diminish due to volume production. That could be quite a long time, so hopefully the expensive lens that Sony used was overkill and a cheaper lens can still give that razor sharp image and detail.

Thats why i think people wanting a 4k projector for less than $2k might have to get them used because of the lens. Just like A-Lens, they are still expensive
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I am just curious, but for someone that is a DLP advocate, what made you consider selling your DLP projectors and spring for the 1000ES?

Two reasons. One, because there are no consumer grade 4K DLP machines out and probably won't be for a couple more years. Secondly, from word of mouth from previous people who only bought higher end DLP units and them saying the 1000ES is the only logical upgrade choice from these 1080p DLP units that I have.

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