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Of course it will play unencrypted 4K fed by HDMI. You can buy 4K content or shoot it yourself and play it the problem is with specific content and specific protections the content owners want that didn't exist when the 1000ES came out. But its a complete misstatement say it won't play native 4K or 4HD.

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That is a little over 13K US. I am expecting it to be around 12K, maybe slightly less.

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9999E equals about $12999 US. But then one must subtract out the VAT on the Euro price br reducing it by about 15 to 18% So we are looking at $10,999 US.

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9999E equals about $12999 US. But then one must subtract out the VAT on the Euro price br reducing it by about 15 to 18% So we are looking at $10,999 US.

Thats a good price
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Is never the same. For exemple, in UK they trend to sell stuff at same price number as in USD$, however they use £, so of course not the same value, but the same number on it. If a game costs $50 bucks, they sell it for £50 there (just an example).

The same goes in Europe.

So you can expect to be around USD$ 10K or less.

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I am guessing only the RS66 replacement will be 4K. I don't see any way possible that the RS56 replacement will be 4K. I am talking about the replacements coming this winter.

I unfortunately agree with you. It will probably be a minimum of one more model year or more before 4K gets into the middle JVC model. frown.gif

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I would normally agree with that but if you look at their model, the X75 and X95 are absolutely identical aside from the "hand picked parts" that account for the higher (if you get it) contrast numbers. Everything else is the same. And hand picked parts doesn't assure you that in the end you have the best possible projector JVC can make or there would be a warranty or assurance that backs the 95 that doesn't apply to the others. I could see both of those models being replaced with a true 4K model, or JVC could forgo the one down model and help justify the enormous price gap between their current top of the line and the one below it with more than just "handpicked parts".

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Kris,

I hope the top 2 upcoming JVC models are 4K because it seems like unless they lower the MSRP for the replacement RS56/X75 that people will either get the very top 4K model, get the RS46/RS48 replacement or just wait a year or 2 till the price comes down. In other words don't invest $6k in a 1080p JVC projector this year if next year you can get a 4K JVC model for about same price. Of course I've been saving money for a 4K projector and was hoping for a $6k-$7k JVC RS56/X75 replacement this year. I might have to hold on to my RS40 for 1-2 more years.

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I hope the top 2 upcoming JVC models are 4K because it seems like unless they lower the MSRP for the replacement RS56/X75 that people will either get the very top 4K model, get the RS46/RS48 replacement or just wait a year or 2 till the price comes down. In other words don't invest $6k in a 1080p JVC projector this year if next year you can get a 4K JVC model for about same price. Of course I've been saving money for a 4K projector and was hoping for a $6k-$7k JVC RS56/X75 replacement this year. I might have to hold on to my RS40 for 1-2 more years.

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Only if this new standard was finalized already, then I would not be so hesitant
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Only if this new standard was finalized already, then I would not be so hesitant

Yeah, that is another reason I might have to wait another year as I doubt JVC will release details about how they will be handling upgrades for it.

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It will play actual 4K content also, not only an upscaler

not when there is a lack of 4k content haha

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not when there is a lack of 4k content haha

It will be, we are starting to hear about it now. I'm sure next year there will be
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Is there any info that will be presented at CEDIA that won't be at IFA?
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ACER, EPSON, OPTOMA, SIM2, PANASONIC, LG and SONY will have booths in IFA but JVC won't show any new products at the SHOW, so I guess this brand will present their new products at CEDIA.

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ACER, EPSON, OPTOMA, SIM2, PANASONIC, LG and SONY will have booths in IFA but JVC won't show any new products at the SHOW, so I guess this brand will present their new products at CEDIA.
Thats a bummer. I was hoping JVC would release an evolution projector and no revolution projector like they are doing the last 3 years. I still have some hope that they made new faster panels.
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Thats a bummer. I was hoping JVC would release an evolution projector and no revolution projector like they are doing the last 3 years. I still have some hope that they made new faster panels.

Just because they are not showing their projectors at ifa doesn't mean they are not bringing out new projectors. We just have to wait until CEDIA
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IIRC, JVC has always kind of skipped IFA and presented at CEDIA instead. Or am I wrong?
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IIRC, JVC has always kind of skipped IFA and presented at CEDIA instead. Or am I wrong?

I always hear about them at CEDIA
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IIRC, JVC has always kind of skipped IFA and presented at CEDIA instead. Or am I wrong?

If I recall correctly two years ago, when JVC introduced eShift, they privately showed the new projectors at IFA but there was an NDA that didn't allow the European press/dealers that saw them at IFA to release any details until after the first day of CEDIA (where JVC made public the full info and prices).

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That is indeed correct. But the spacing between shows was what, one week? This year the spacing is almost one month and what JVC usually shows are production prototypes or whatever and not product ready to ship. Some of their new stuff might not be ready to show one month in advance of Cedia. I am saying might. I really don't know and I care even less. Whatever will be, will be and the only implication would be if some manufacture starts shipping in advance of Cedia presenting the temptation to get it before all choices are known. Fortunately, I am extremely happy with my 1000ES and I feel no pressing need to replace it. I see no need to be the first or one of the first to get a new model.

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Hi Kraine

I'll be at the show this year and have yet to see an LED or Lazer projector.

Do you know of any models that will be on show with this tech?

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It's too soon Wilt.

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But before Berlin, there will be a full review of an full hd laser projector here :

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not when there is a lack of 4k content haha

And the fact that none of this years projectors could have HDMI 2.0 in them yet which means they "may" never be compatible with certain aspects of the 4K standard such as 48Hz, or 3D 4K. Considering that the Sony 4K media player is only destined for the US, and Sony has also said the PS4 4K movie download will also be only for the US at this present time, I see no motivation whatsoever to head for a 4K projector this year. We still have no defined timeline for Blu-ray 4K. if I were JVC and being smart, I would steer away from being locked into a yearly renewal cycle and keep the current models running for a bit longer until there was really something worth bringing out. Sony didn't renew the 95 this year, so they are also learning you don't HAVE to release something every year.
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Sony normally has a 2 year product cycle except for its entry level projectors. JVC pretty much has a 1 year product cycle even if only minor changes are made. To its credit, JVC often strengthens past year model weaknesses where it can,

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And the fact that none of this years projectors could have HDMI 2.0 in them yet which means they "may" never be compatible with certain aspects of the 4K standard such as 48Hz, or 3D 4K. Considering that the Sony 4K media player is only destined for the US, and Sony has also said the PS4 4K movie download will also be only for the US at this present time, I see no motivation whatsoever to head for a 4K projector this year. We still have no defined timeline for Blu-ray 4K. if I were JVC and being smart, I would steer away from being locked into a yearly renewal cycle and keep the current models running for a bit longer until there was really something worth bringing out. Sony didn't renew the 95 this year, so they are also learning you don't HAVE to release something every year.

that may be the case with 4k and ps4, but in the U.S. alot of us simply don't have the download speed to stream 4k. I know here where I live, time warner has said "no" to upgrading speeds to support 4k streaming. So for some parts of the U.S. streaming 4k is even more unlikely.

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Streaming will come. Competition will force carriers to up speeds and raise data caps. But be careful what you wish for. Streaming will be a much lower picture quality because the general population which adores instant gratification doesn't care about PQ. They think whatever the ad media tells them is the best PQ, is the best PQ. ITunes, etc on your iphone through a pair of ear phones.

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But before Berlin, there will be a full review of an full hd laser projector here :

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A real RGB Laser projector? Or is this the Sony make.believe "laser projector"?
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Cool. Hi. I don't think Sony is pretending this is a make believe laser projector. They have been very forth coming about what it is in their technical materials. It is designed to fulfill the needs of a let's call it, a commercial projector where low maintenance, read long life illumination source, and lots of lumens are required. Despite what someone on the Red forum says. for high lumens true laser projectors are concerned there are present regulatory barriers. the FDA has not signed off on high powered laser projectors. They have only signed off to the Kodak laser and have stated they will not issue another exemption but will require industry and health and safety community consensus and completion of an informal rulemaking. Informal means legally under the APA not on the record or a trial like proceeding. It means a notice and comment rulemaking. Low powered class two lasers could come to market but I think that would have to be not a green laser but someother other type such as a spinning green phosphor wheel such as Panasonic reportedly has.

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A real RGB Laser projector? Or is this the Sony make.believe "laser projector"?

I believe kraine is reviewing the new Sony 4000 lumen laser pro business projector. I have seen it many times, and is already getting in customer hands.
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