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If you don't need your projector until late September - early October, I'd say it makes sense to wait. I assume that the 50ES will take the place of the 30ES (maybe even at that price point), with the 55ES taking the role currently occupied by the 50ES.

Motorized zoom doesn't seem like a big must-have to me, while Wireless HDMI is only going to add to the price tag. The big unknown is whether the 55ES will get the lens of the VW95 and if so, whether that will drive a price increase.

From my research I identified the following weaknesses of the HW50ES:

1. 3D Flicker (240Hz).
2. IR based 3-D solution.
3. Lens could do with some improvement.

I have yet to hear anything that would suggest items 1 & 2 are being addressed, and item #3 is an unknown and if addressed could come with a jump in price.
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I'm really having second thoughts about ordering the HW50, with the wait time I get my projector in August. Why not wait one more month to see what HW55 is about, after all this would be my first projector (after years of doing research) and I start my theater build in Sept (moving to a new place). Then again do I need the added features? it would be nice not cut dry wall and run cables (WHDMI), stretch 2.35 movies to full 16.9 screen to avoid top and bottom bars (lens memory).

Still thinking.

Lens memory does not stretch 2.35 movies to fill a 16:9 screen. The projector always shoots a 16:9 image. If showing 16:9 content the image does not have any black bars. If showing scope content, there is a black bar at the top and the bottom, but the image thrown by the projector is still 16:9. What lens memory allows you to do is to show the scope image on a scope screen with the black bars above and below the image. Then when watching 16:9 content, you reduce the image size so that the 16:9 image fits the height of the scope screen. When doing a CIH setup like this, you get a large scope image and a very small 16:9 image. As an example on my 107" wide scope screen, my 16: 9 image is only 79.2" wide and 44.5" high.

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If you don't need your projector until late September - early October, I'd say it makes sense to wait. I assume that the 50ES will take the place of the 30ES (maybe even at that price point), with the 55ES taking the role currently occupied by the 50ES.

Motorized zoom doesn't seem like a big must-have to me, while Wireless HDMI is only going to add to the price tag. The big unknown is whether the 55ES will get the lens of the VW95 and if so, whether that will drive a price increase.

From my research I identified the following weaknesses of the HW50ES:

1. 3D Flicker (240Hz).
2. IR based 3-D solution.
3. Lens could do with some improvement.

I have yet to hear anything that would suggest items 1 & 2 are being addressed, and item #3 is an unknown and if addressed could come with a jump in price.

What's the thread, did the price of the 30ES drop after the release of HW50? I think I will wait for the release of the HW55.
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What's the thread, did the price of the 30ES drop after the release of HW50? I think I will wait for the release of the HW55.

Not by much. In fact they're still selling for around $2500-$3000. For some reason Sony projectors keep their value for longer periods of time compared to other brands.

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I'm really having second thoughts about ordering the HW50, with the wait time I get my projector in August. Why not wait one more month to see what HW55 is about, after all this would be my first projector (after years of doing research) and I start my theater build in Sept (moving to a new place). Then again do I need the added features? it would be nice not cut dry wall and run cables (WHDMI), stretch 2.35 movies to full 16.9 screen to avoid top and bottom bars (lens memory).

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Why dont you waite and see the new model, and if the Price is going to be to high or the spec isnt that more impressive for you, Im sure, you still can ordrer the HW50 for a god Price wink.gif

this way you cant lose anything but a Little time and your Theater isnt ready anyway

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I'm really having second thoughts about ordering the HW50, with the wait time I get my projector in August. Why not wait one more month to see what HW55 is about, after all this would be my first projector (after years of doing research) and I start my theater build in Sept (moving to a new place). Then again do I need the added features? it would be nice not cut dry wall and run cables (WHDMI), stretch 2.35 movies to full 16.9 screen to avoid top and bottom bars (lens memory).

Still thinking.

Lens memory does not stretch 2.35 movies to fill a 16:9 screen. The projector always shoots a 16:9 image. If showing 16:9 content the image does not have any black bars. If showing scope content, there is a black bar at the top and the bottom, but the image thrown by the projector is still 16:9. What lens memory allows you to do is to show the scope image on a scope screen with the black bars above and below the image. Then when watching 16:9 content, you reduce the image size so that the 16:9 image fits the height of the scope screen. When doing a CIH setup like this, you get a large scope image and a very small 16:9 image. As an example on my 107" wide scope screen, my 16: 9 image is only 79.2" wide and 44.5" high.

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Why dont you waite and see the new model, and if the Price is going to be to high or the spec isnt that more impressive for you, Im sure, you still can ordrer the HW50 for a god Price wink.gif

this way you cant lose anything but a Little time and your Theater isnt ready anyway

My best advice smile.gif

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Not by much. In fact they're still selling for around $2500-$3000. For some reason Sony projectors keep their value for longer periods of time compared to other brands.

Correct, the reason the 30 price dropped is because they dropped the emitter and the two pair of glasses from the bundle.

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Wasn't that the HW30AES?

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Fall 2013 (October or November).
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Wasn't that the HW30AES?

Correct. Sony dropped the HW30AES and made it available only as HW30ES.

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at this point, why not? I think the VW95 lens was a bit over-rated compared to even the baseline JVC models (if you get a good copy). I was surprised the first time I calibrated a VW95, it's a good lens, but nothing really special. (same thing with the Mitsubishi HC9000, decent, but why was everyone bragging about this lens?)

The lens in the HW30/HW50 is definitely not up to par compared to the JVC's so it's time Sony takes it up a notch in this regard.
My problem with HW50 is that i want a 86'' screen 200 cm width incl. frame, maximum trow distance for this screen is 400 cm. My distance from lens to screen is ~ 392 cm (i will measure this using laser to be sure) so there is not much room for zooming everything need to be perfect...

If HW55 will have the same lens as HW95 will it easier for me to zoom to get a perfect picture on my Fixed Framed Screen

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My problem with HW50 is that i want a 86'' screen 200 cm width incl. frame, maximum trow distance for this screen is 400 cm. My distance from lens to screen is ~ 392 cm (i will measure this using laser to be sure) so there is not much room for zooming everything need to be perfect...

If HW55 will have the same lens as HW95 will it easier for me to zoom to get a perfect picture on my Fixed Framed Screen

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I've tested the zoom of hw50es projector and I can say the sony official projector calculator and the projector central pj calculator are both wrong when it comes to simulating pj distance and screen size. I guess there is some overhead for people who don't want to use the zoom at max. PJ central pj calculator is less wrong than the sony official.

In my setup, distance between pj lens and screen is 315cm. According to pj calculators I should get only 102.5" inc picture. I had the pj already in place and I cranked the zoom to max and I got 105-106" picture. To be exact WxH 234cm x 133cm. And for the record, no picture degradation what so ever with max zoom. So I went to shop and bought 105" forex foam pvc board and painted it with black widow paint.
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I've tested the zoom of hw50es projector and I can say the sony official projector calculator and the projector central pj calculator are both wrong when it comes to simulating pj distance and screen size. I guess there is some overhead for people who don't want to use the zoom at max. PJ central pj calculator is less wrong than the sony official.

In my setup, distance between pj lens and screen is 315cm. According to pj calculators I should get only 102.5" inc picture. I had the pj already in place and I cranked the zoom to max and I got 105-106" picture. To be exact WxH 234cm x 133cm. And for the record, no picture degradation what so ever with max zoom. So I went to shop and bought 105" forex foam pvc board and painted it with black widow paint.
OK , thy but problem in min case is that i want to use the zoom at min and have some room to zoom to fit the screen. I'm concerned that picture will be to big and I can't move pj closer to the screen.
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Motorized optic engine and available in October 2013.
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Motorized optic engine and available in October 2013.

any word on pricing?

edit: just clicked the link and it looks like 30000 kr which is about $4500.

That makes me reallly consider putting off the HW50 order I have and waiting for this. For an extra $500 for a better lens? No-brainer.

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any word on pricing?

edit: just clicked the link and it looks like 30000 kr which is about $4500.

That makes me really consider putting off the HW50 order I have and waiting for this. For an extra $500 for a better lens? No-brainer.
Most likely at $4999 MSRP which is $1000 more than the 50 I think. Not sure a new lens or motorized zoom/focus are worth an upgrade, but if you haven't bought a 50 yet, it can be enticing if you're thinking about a scope setup. Wonder if it will have zoom/focus memory.

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Most likely at $4999 MSRP which is $1000 more than the 50 I think. Not sure a new lens or motorized zoom/focus are worth an upgrade, but if you haven't bought a 50 yet, it can be enticing if you're thinking about a scope setup. Wonder if it will have zoom/focus memory.

I don't care about the motorized lens as much as the possibility of the upgraded lens. Also the newer chassis. Or, if that fails, at least a cheaper price on the HW50. A scope setup is impractical.

Why do you think $4999? I just did a direct conversion of the currency which ended up at $4500.

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any word on pricing?

edit: just clicked the link and it looks like 30000 kr which is about $4500.

That makes me reallly consider putting off the HW50 order I have and waiting for this. For an extra $500 for a better lens? No-brainer.

29,995 Norwegian Krone is $5,043.90 US.

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I don't care about the motorized lens as much as the possibility of the upgraded lens. Also the newer chassis. Or, if that fails, at least a cheaper price on the HW50. A scope setup is impractical.

Why do you think $4999? I just did a direct conversion of the currency which ended up at $4500.

Actually the chassis is not any newer. smile.gif They are using the VW95 chassis from my understanding. The VW95 came out about the same time as the HW30.

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any word on pricing?

edit: just clicked the link and it looks like 30000 kr which is about $4500.

That makes me reallly consider putting off the HW50 order I have and waiting for this. For an extra $500 for a better lens? No-brainer.

29,995 Norwegian Krone is $5,043.90 US.


I was looking at swedish. Oops! tongue.gif

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I don't care about the motorized lens as much as the possibility of the upgraded lens. Also the newer chassis. Or, if that fails, at least a cheaper price on the HW50. A scope setup is impractical.

Why do you think $4999? I just did a direct conversion of the currency which ended up at $4500.

Actually the chassis is not any newer. smile.gif They are using the VW95 chassis from my understanding. The VW95 came out about the same time as the HW30.

Well more robust is perhaps accurate. But if it's $5k is a totally different price point anyway.

In the scheme of things, I may save $500 by waiting for the HW50 price drop but I wouldn't have a bulb (I have ps3 glasses already). So really only $200 if they drop the price. And not worth waiting for 3 months for the new one if the price is $1k more unless it is a substantial improvement, including the glass lens, motor, chassis, and better contrast and, most importantly to me, brighter! I somehow that though smile.gif

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The overseas prices include VAT at about 18%. The weakest point of the 50 is its lens and a better lens (significantly better) would be worth the price difference along with the other things improved. And remember street will be cheaper than MSRP despite Sure pricing. You just have to be smart as to where you buy it.

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Well more robust is perhaps accurate. But if it's $5k is a totally different price point anyway.

In the scheme of things, I may save $500 by waiting for the HW50 price drop but I wouldn't have a bulb (I have ps3 glasses already). So really only $200 if they drop the price. And not worth waiting for 3 months for the new one if the price is $1k more unless it is a substantial improvement, including the glass lens, motor, chassis, and better contrast and, most importantly to me, brighter! I somehow that though smile.gif

If the linked specs are correct, then it will be about the same brightness, since it shows the same lumens and contrast as the HW50ES. The HW50ES did not lose much light output at longer throw distances, compared to many projectors. The 95 was about typical for light loss.

The replacement will be a better projector. It just comes down to how much better for the money and if you need or want the lens memory.

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The overseas prices include VAT at about 18%. The weakest point of the 50 is its lens and a better lens (significantly better) would be worth the price difference along with the other things improved. And remember street will be cheaper than MSRP despite Sure pricing. You just have to be smart as to where you buy it.
I'm not quite sure what you'd get with a "better" lens. Unless you're looking at static text, the lens isn't going to make a significant difference. It's just another way for manufacturers to charge you more money for a perceived improvement.

As far as street, I'd guess we're looking at $800 more street price vs. the 50 street price, but that's all speculation at this point. Mark when did AVS usually get price sheets? Sept?

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No word about if WHDMI and 3D kit is included?
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No word about if WHDMI and 3D kit is included?

From what I remember earlier reports said the wireless HDMI was going to be an option. 3D kits have not been mentioned one way or the other, as far as I know.

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Mike can answer price sheett questions better than I can. Tthe answer is about the time Sony is ready to start shipping.

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I'm not quite sure what you'd get with a "better" lens. Unless you're looking at static text, the lens isn't going to make a significant difference. It's just another way for manufacturers to charge you more money for a perceived improvement.

As far as street, I'd guess we're looking at $800 more street price vs. the 50 street price, but that's all speculation at this point. Mark when did AVS usually get price sheets? Sept?

As to your lens comments and some others here, you do not know what you are talking about. IA high quality glass lens makes all the difference in the world about making the picture look real and the larger the lens diameter of f stop at the throw point, the more light out one will get. I won't start to discuss lens etude and how it needs to at least match the rest of the engine. The fact that the 60 cam stand wider zoom without image degradation is a statement about the lens quality or lack thereof at the sweet spot. That said, the 50 lens quality is sufficient for the rest of the projector but clearly it could be better but it would cost considerably more. If you think a projector manufacture is improving the lens in a way the doesn't improve image quality but just as a way to charge you more, I suggest you stay away from buying a better projector. Me. If the lens is improved significantly over the 50, I would buy it in a flash for the likely increase in street. One great strength of the JVCs is a good lens, the same lens of decent quality being used in all its current projectors.

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I'm not quite sure what you'd get with a "better" lens. Unless you're looking at static text, the lens isn't going to make a significant difference. It's just another way for manufacturers to charge you more money for a perceived improvement.

As far as street, I'd guess we're looking at $800 more street price vs. the 50 street price, but that's all speculation at this point. Mark when did AVS usually get price sheets? Sept?

Probably will not get pricing until around CEDIA.

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