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hey guys, i was wondering what the cheapest 3 chip dlp is available today?

edit : yeah i'm wondering what the cheapest new 3chipper 1080p or 4k would cost
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hey guys, i was wondering what the cheapest 3 chip dlp is available today?

You didn't say what resolution or how you want to use the projector. Using the Projector Central search it lists the least expensive DLP 3-chip projector as a Eiki model (EIKI EIP-WX5000L) that came out about 5 years ago. This is a 1200 x 800 resolution model that is very large and very heavy and several different lenses are offered as an option. Sharp also had the virtually identical model XG-P560W. List price for the Eiki was under $6K while the similar Sharp is over $10K. However, neither are really suitable for a home theater applications.

Barco had a now 3 year old model RLM-W6 with 1920 x 1200 resolution with a price of under $15K and there are a bunch of other 3-chip DLP projectors in the $20K to $30K price range.

For a more reasonable price on a 3-chip DLP projector intended for the home theater market you might want to check out used projectors made by SIM2, Digital Projection, Runco, Christie, etc. An overview is HERE..
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I think it's still way above $10,000.
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I think it's still way above $10,000.

For a good home theater 3 chip DLP, above $ 20K, but not by much ( at least for some models, others are way above $ 20K ). Give me a call if you want an actual price. I certainly love my 3 chip DLP ! smile.gif
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hey guys, i was wondering what the cheapest 3 chip dlp is available today?


I've seen an Infocus ScreenPlay 777 from time to time on Ebay for under $3k. I believe it has three .8 chips, but I think it is only 720p and quite old at this point. Not sure how it well it performs by today's standards.
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I've seen an Infocus ScreenPlay 777 from time to time on Ebay for under $3k

Used is different. I thought we were talking about new, and more specifically, a good 3 chip DLP you would want in your theater. smile.gif
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The Runco LS-10 or the DPI Highlite are basement 3 chippers...............I almost purchased an LS-10.............

But after viewing the Sony 1000.............I changed my tune instantly! The LS-10 is brighter, but the 1000 IMHO throws a much better picture.......
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But after viewing the Sony 1000.............I changed my tune instantly! The LS-10 is brighter, but the 1000 IMHO throws a much better picture.......

Ya. the Sony is a good projector. How it compares to higher end 3 chip DLP's would be a subject for the $20K and up forum..............
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DPI and Runco LS10 and Highlite Cine lines are the least expensive 3C DLP's right now. I have the DPI Highlight Cine 260 in my demo room.

But, I just got a dealer announcement the other day for something new I may replace my 3C with though. LED, relatively reasonably priced, relatively bright. New chassis. Working on a sample/demo unit to play with now.

Cheers,
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Scott is the new one a 1 chipper or a 3 chipper?

Re the Sony. Its a LCOS, not a DLP. Different strengths and weaknesses technology wise obviously.
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Scott is the new one a 1 chipper or a 3 chipper?

Re the Sony. Its a LCOS, not a DLP. Different strengths and weaknesses technology wise obviously.

I think he is talking about the new M series single chip with 1,000 lumens.
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That's what I think too. Of course the threads asks a question about 3 chip DLP costs, morphs to LCOS which all are three chippers and then its one chip DLPs LED lit.
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That's what I think too. Of course the threads asks a question about 3 chip DLP costs, morphs to LCOS which all are three chippers and then its one chip DLPs LED lit.

Got to fill in the slow time somehow. smile.gif
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But, I just got a dealer announcement the other day for something new I may replace my 3C with though. LED, relatively reasonably priced, relatively bright. New chassis. Working on a sample/demo unit to play with now.

Very interesting, thanks.

What's the reasonable price?

New chassis? Maybe they haven't updated the info for the new one, but the only difference in spec's I can see is 330 W power consumption vs. 240 W.

600 L version:

http://www.digitalprojection.com/BrowseProjectors/SeriesList/ProjectorList/ProjectorDetail/tabid/87/ProjectorId/134/MarketTypeId/10/Default.aspx

1000 L version:

http://www.digitalprojection.com/BrowseProjectors/SeriesList/ProjectorList/ProjectorDetail/tabid/87/ProjectorId/300/Default.aspx
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Hey Noah:

I think they are using a different (but I expect still Delta based) light engine. At least different LED's. But that's not from technical docs, it's from a conversation so I don't have any real data on it yet.

Reasonable as in list below $13k.

The "1000" is quoted including the LED effect:
Per the Helmholtz-Kohlrausch effect, the chromatic luminance of LED projectors causes them to be perceived as roughly 25% brighter than projectors employing lamps. Contrast with Dynamic Black.

So I translate that to a claimed ~750 lumens in measurable terms. Still, better than 600 quoted on the old one. That would be 19ftL on a 56" tall screen. And it would stay there. And it would "look" brighter still. And have the single chip advantages of perfect convergence with the CR of the 0.95 DMD, and Dynamic Black.

I'd say the old done was more accurately 450 lumens so it you pull 150 off the new one, that's 600 lumens plus the HK effect, so on a 54" (110" diag) 16:9, that's still 16ftL + HK and the other advantages. And it's 16ftL from now on, no bulb drift. Anxious to play with one.

Not too shabby, if it works.
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Hey Noah:

I think they are using a different (but I expect still Delta based) light engine. At least different LED's. But that's not from technical docs, it's from a conversation so I don't have any real data on it yet.

Reasonable as in list below $13k.

The "1000" is quoted including the LED effect:
Per the Helmholtz-Kohlrausch effect, the chromatic luminance of LED projectors causes them to be perceived as roughly 25% brighter than projectors employing lamps. Contrast with Dynamic Black.

So I translate that to a claimed ~750 lumens in measurable terms. Still, better than 600 quoted on the old one. That would be 19ftL on a 56" tall screen. And it would stay there. And it would "look" brighter still. And have the single chip advantages of perfect convergence with the CR of the 0.95 DMD, and Dynamic Black.

I'd say the old done was more accurately 450 lumens so it you pull 150 off the new one, that's 600 lumens plus the HK effect, so on a 54" (110" diag) 16:9, that's still 16ftL + HK and the other advantages. And it's 16ftL from now on, no bulb drift. Anxious to play with one.

Not too shabby, if it works.

 

 

Thanks Scott,

 

Really got my attention with this one.  It seems like a sweet spot for DLP.  Do you know if it's the DarkChip™ 4?  I see that the spec sheet is up on their web site now, M-Vision Cine LED 1000 but it just states 1 x 0.95" DarkChip™ DMD™.

 

The press release on the DPI site said the MSRP for the M-Vision LED 1000 was in at $10995.  How soon before you get a demo unit?  The DPI site indicated that the units are shipping now.

 

http://www.digitalprojection.com/tabid/94/mid/370/newsid370/380/Digital-Projection-Expands-Brightness-of-Single-Chip-LED-Projector-Series-with-New-M-Vision-LED-1000/Default.aspx

 

 

 

The other interesting thing that came up while I was Googling around was the acknowledgment  of a new Titan unit with LED's and 2000 lumens.  The DPI Titan Super Quad - 3 chip LED DLP.  Doesn't look like any information on the US DPI site yet but I did find it on the UK site.  Here's some links; the spec sheet is available for the new Titan unit on the UK site:

 

http://www.digitalprojection.co.uk/portfolio/titan-led-wuxga-3d/

 

http://www.digitalprojection.co.uk/digital-projection-introduce-the-worlds-first-3-chip-dlp-led-projector-at-infocomm-orlando-2013/

 

http://www.nextgenprojectors.com/home/2013/6/20/digitial-projection-introduces-new-m-vision-led-1000-and-titan-3-chip-led-projectors


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Can't speak to the MSRP you saw. The number I quoted was right from the current dealer price list. Minimal dealer margins, the 10k would give none so it must have changed.

The 3C DLP is interesting, but speced at 2k:1 CR, which sounds low. Guessing they are using their high brightness lenses which isn't helping CR, but letting more photons out.

There's been a lot of discussing re the DCx levels of current chipsets. I've yet to see anything official from TI re same. I think most of it is rumor and speculation from various salespeople. George Walter, the big dog with DPI here in the US chimed in on the issue here once before. I try to remember wher ethe post was.

Edit: Here it is:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1450306/dp-highlite-330-3d-hc/0_100#post_22826969
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Thanks for the additional info, Scott.

I'd be more excited except for my recent experience with a NuVision P2 aka Runco Q750, which I returned because of shipping damage.

It was *much* dimmer than my RS10; 50% more wouldn't cut it on my 128" wide HP screen.

The damage was intermittent turn-on, so I don't think that was it.
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Meanwhile, on the classifieds section of AVS someone is selling a "brand-new/open box" Digital Projection M-Vision LED projector for only $4,500.00 or best offer, which seems to me like an excellent bargain in today's projector market.
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Meanwhile, on the classifieds section of AVS someone is selling a "brand-new/open box" Digital Projection M-Vision LED projector for only $4,500.00 or best offer, which seems to me like an excellent bargain in today's projector market.

How is this relevant to "cheapest 3 chip"?
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AV Science Forum would die a slow death if even half the posts were required to be relevant!
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How is this relevant to "cheapest 3 chip"?

Why did you not post the same query to all other posters on this thread whom started discussing "LED projectors, LED effect, Digital Projection, LED pj price comparison, onscreen illumination amount", etc, before i even posted my comment ? HELLO ?!
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Can't speak to the MSRP you saw. The number I quoted was right from the current dealer price list. Minimal dealer margins, the 10k would give none so it must have changed.

The 3C DLP is interesting, but speced at 2k:1 CR, which sounds low. Guessing they are using their high brightness lenses which isn't helping CR, but letting more photons out.

There's been a lot of discussing re the DCx levels of current chipsets. I've yet to see anything official from TI re same. I think most of it is rumor and speculation from various salespeople. George Walter, the big dog with DPI here in the US chimed in on the issue here once before. I try to remember wher ethe post was.

Edit: Here it is:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1450306/dp-highlite-330-3d-hc/0_100#post_22826969

So I've got to ask, but is this newer/different from the Vango platform? I though that was rated at 1000 Lumens as well (though seems like that was through using Brilliantcolor/overlap mode or something).

And any idea what it refreshes at natively? The one "big" thing that bugs me with my Planar is the time it takes to switch from 60Hz (for most stuff) to 48Hz (for 24p content), wating for the color wheel to spin up/down is quite a delay.
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Don't know. But historically DPI hasn't used the Chyn Lin (sp?) water cooled platform like Vango did. I expect it is different, just higher output and/or harder driven LED's, but that's a guess, I have no facts to substantiate. I expect they all "stretch" to the extent possible on the 1000 lumen spec, although Sim2 says their Mico is measurable 1000. I have not had the opportunity to verify. But I think it's double the price of this one IIRC.
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Relevancy on these LED discussions is they are reputed to have similar color saturation as 3C DLP. Obviously not as bright however.
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So I've got to ask, but is this newer/different from the Vango platform? I though that was rated at 1000 Lumens as well (though seems like that was through using Brilliantcolor/overlap mode or something).

And any idea what it refreshes at natively? The one "big" thing that bugs me with my Planar is the time it takes to switch from 60Hz (for most stuff) to 48Hz (for 24p content), wating for the color wheel to spin up/down is quite a delay.

 

I can't find it now but when I was googling for M-Vision Cine LED 1000, I read and article that said it had a newer generation of the Luminus Devices' PhlatLight LED that were more efficient.  It sounds like it's the same Delta engine with running product updates.

 

Vango is using the water cooled Chill-In engine same as Sim2 and Wolf.  They claim to be able to push the LED harder with the water cooling.  The Delta engines are air cooled.

 

Must be something to it, updated LED's, as DP has also introduce a 3 DMD Titan model claiming 2000 lumen with LED's.

 

 

I'm waiting for Scott's review! smile.gif


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Relevancy on these LED discussions is they are reputed to have similar color saturation as 3C DLP. Obviously not as bright however.

They need to work on the brightness. I like bright. Watched Cloud Atlas at over 25 foot lamberts the other night. Looked rock'n good !
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thanks guys for all your input, i visited the barco factory and purchased this model :

http://www.barco.com/nl/products-solutions/projectors/business-projectors/6000-lumens-wuxga-dlp-projector.aspx, it works absolutely great with a run of the mill htpc and has perfect 23,96 hz/24hz framerate support (wich was my biggest concern given that it's marketed as a data projector).

I'm lighting up a 220inch screen from 8 meters away and i still have to put it on it's on the second most dim setting it is capable off (luckily), on high lamp setting u ask ? forget about it, can u say 'sunglasses at night' ? hell it made me wonder if i should wear sunscreen ... =-)

I'm a total happy camper, also still own a jvc rs 20 wich i have now set up in the bedroom, it's black level performance is actually a bit better to be honest, but in all the other area's i feel the barco has it beat, images have way more pop.

best thing about this story ? i picked it up used, totally inspected by barco itself with renewed full factory warranty for 7500 euro's with optional extra quiet fans and powersuplly (24db with low lamp mode), yeah baby , i think i've just found the cheapest 3 chip lcd projector didn't I ?

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